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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
143
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Posted - 2016.07.01 15:56:52 -
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elitatwo wrote:What about the good old Rokh?
Rokh:
8x mining lazor II
medium should booster II, shield boost amplifier II, 2x invuln II, EM amplifier II, heavy cap booster II
2x mining lazor upgrade II, damage control, 2x co-processor II
Sit next to a depot, switch all mining lazors with heavy neutron blaster II, the lazor upgrades with mag-stabs, the co-processors with tracking enhancer II, remove medium shield booster II with 2x x-large ancillery booster and the heavy cap booster with a scram, the em amplifier with a web = win.
It takes 17 seconds for a rokh to lock a destroyer. and about ~15 seconds for concord to show un in a .5 system. Less in a higher system. By time he switched fits locked targets, turned on tank, and then started shooting code either he or code would be dead, probably him then code( all by concord).
OP: The reason no one mentioned the rokh is because it has almost no space for ore( meaning you have to transfer it into something that is very vulnerable OR spend 10 minutes warping back and forth between belt and station every couple of minutes in a sloth)
But if you want BS fits... The scorpion is better than the rokh. More isk is not always better. These are the most unorthodox ridiculous fits i came up with but they are also max tanked. [Rokh, New Setup 1] Damage Control II 1600mm Steel Plates II 1600mm Steel Plates II 1600mm Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
216k omni tank. 270 mil in jita
[Scorpion, New Setup 1] Damage Control II 1600mm Steel Plates II 1600mm Steel Plates II 1600mm Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
217k omni tank. 230 mil in jita. My procurer fit is still the better bang for the buck as you can lose 5-7 of those to one of these. and they have half the tank, a decent ore hold, and can mine much more efficiently. |

Tao Dolcino
EVE University Ivy League
496
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Posted - 2016.07.01 16:08:29 -
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If i was to set a trap, i would not post it on the forums
CCP 2015 : "Fluff is good"
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
143
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Posted - 2016.07.01 16:16:01 -
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Darthon Zoh wrote:
If you read my "research" in the 5th post here you would have seen I've already figured out how to beat CODE at their own game regardless of how you, or anyone, else tries to spin it. It's really very simple and I'm not looking for verification of it as you would have others think. But just to be perfectly clear I am not fooled by what you or any of them would say, and you can call this a mental dogma or use w/e other warped language you want, but you compared what I'm preparing to do with just playing by their rules which would only be true if part of their rules is to make them lose and lose badly every time they are met...and if that is the case then I am MORE than fine with that. However, I'm pretty sure no one makes rules for themselves that deliberately set themselves up for such failure, humiliation and loss even if it suits their purposes to make others think they do. Likewise, I actually hope CODE reads this and plans out exactly how many ships they have to lose because of me; the idea that they know they will lose in advance is will make it like losing twice in their minds. The builds I"m looking for will be much cheaper than w/e they need to pop it no matter how much time they have to think about it.
I hope that answers your "concerns" but, if not, keep them to yourself. My one and only question is also very simple and can be found in my first post alone.
So all posters please keep your replies to ship fits that satisfy the conditions of the original post with perhaps the additional stipulations of being under a capital ship and tougher than a barge/exhumer (although I do like the efficiency of the procurer and may go with that in addition to the ultimate answer to my question). I'm looking for ship fits and maybe discussion about how good the fits are for their intended purposes; not philosophical rants or elaborate spread of CODE propaganda.
Your problem is you think you outsmarted code. The players in code are well funded. Youre not going to win an isk war with them and if they really want to mess with you, isk will be of no consequence. They do what they do for fun not for KB stats or profit. All youre doing is entertaining them which is EXACTLY what they want. So while you think you are getting one up on them all you are doing is buying into it and feeding them what they want.
The fact that you put so much effort into this means they already won and you already loss. Im sure CODE is LOLing at this thread like most of the other people that read it.... that is when we arent facepalming. Like i said sometimes the only way to win is not to play the game.
Also your attitude, specifically where you think that you outsmarted CODE in pvp when you dont even know the difference between a buffer tank and passive tank, makes me want to jump clone out of null and gank you myself just for lols. |

Dom Arkaral
Addicted To Chaos Archetype.
517
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Posted - 2016.07.01 18:00:55 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:If i was to set a trap, i would not post it on the forums  Never question human stupidity :)
And since op won't see this, They'll gank you for fun, even if it costs them 500m... Because nothing is more valuable than your tears after you got dropped :D
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r
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Paranoid Loyd
9178
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Posted - 2016.07.01 19:47:05 -
[35] - Quote
If you get ganked, CODE wins. If you tank your ship and don't get ganked, CODE wins If you set a trap, CODE wins If you spend any amount of time trying to figure out how to "beat" CODE, they win.
Getting you to play the game instead of mindlessly mining AFK is their goal, you can't beat CODE, they always win.
Fix the Prospect! New Server Hardware!
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.02 03:35:50 -
[36] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:If you get ganked, CODE wins. If you tank your ship and don't get ganked, CODE wins If you set a trap, CODE wins If you spend any amount of time trying to figure out how to "beat" CODE, they win.
Getting you to play the game instead of mindlessly mining AFK is their goal, you can't beat CODE, they always win.
Yes, must be why I have so many elitist yet moronic scrubs here trying so very hard to convince me of that even when I have repeatedly refocused the thread back to its original purpose. Actually, I'm starting to feel like I'm already beating CODE more and more with every post that avoids the original question. |

Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.02 03:50:06 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:
OP: The reason no one mentioned the rokh is because it has almost no space for ore( meaning you have to transfer it into something that is very vulnerable OR spend 10 minutes warping back and forth between belt and station every couple of minutes in a sloth)
But if you want BS fits... The scorpion is better than the rokh. More isk is not always better. These are the most unorthodox ridiculous fits i came up with but they are also max tanked. [Rokh, New Setup 1] Damage Control II 1600mm Steel Plates II 1600mm Steel Plates II 1600mm Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
216k omni tank. 270 mil in jita
[Scorpion, New Setup 1] Damage Control II 1600mm Steel Plates II 1600mm Steel Plates II 1600mm Steel Plates II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermal Dissipation Field II Kinetic Deflection Field II Large Shield Extender II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I
217k omni tank. 230 mil in jita. My procurer fit is still the better bang for the buck as you can lose 5-7 of those to one of these. and they have half the tank, a decent ore hold, and can mine much more efficiently.
Thank you for that. I'm starting to see more and more that the battleship option really only doubles the EHP of the procurer but it is much more than double the price. I was hoping to find a much larger improvement. However I think I may have found something that may work: T2 industrial. Due to its overheat bonus, it can quickly reach a very high EHP. thoughts?
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
1014
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Posted - 2016.07.02 05:34:46 -
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Darthon Zoh wrote: thoughts?
The procurer and skiffs fits posted earlier are by far the best option fro what you want.
Forget about an active tank, you want a large buffer and high resists. EHP (effective hit points) is what stops ganking,
Proud user of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2912
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Posted - 2016.07.02 05:37:38 -
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If you've got the skills, the Skiff. Always the Skiff. Moves like a cruiser, tanks like a battleship, deals out insane drone damage. Just take some of the fitting suggestions listed earlier in this thread and you should be fine. Nothing's ungankable, but you can make your boat so much of a pain in the backside that folks will look elsewhere for easier prey. Now, no amount of tank will fix not being at keys...
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.02 13:33:40 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:If you've got the skills, the Skiff. Always the Skiff. Moves like a cruiser, tanks like a battleship, deals out insane drone damage. Just take some of the fitting suggestions listed earlier in this thread and you should be fine. Nothing's ungankable, but you can make your boat so much of a pain in the backside that folks will look elsewhere for easier prey. Now, no amount of tank will fix not being at keys...
What would be a EHP comparison of the skiff vs procurer? |

The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
186
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Posted - 2016.07.02 13:43:06 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:[quote=Darthon Zoh] -snip- makes me want to jump clone out of null and gank you myself just for lols.
Quoted for relevance. That is, if I was in null and not a pacifist carebear.
Op you are almost as moronic as code. Outsmarting code isn't even an issue, as nothing they do is smart, it's mindless miner ganking. It's not difficult, clever, profitable, or indeed anything worth worrying about. Saying you want to make it difficult and less profitable for them just shows that you don't understand even a tiny bit what they are about. If you want to beat them, jump in a pvp ship and hunt them. They can't handle an actual fight. Ref alliance tournament. |

Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.02 21:58:50 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:[quote=Darthon Zoh] -snip- makes me want to jump clone out of null and gank you myself just for lols. Quoted for relevance. That is, if I was in null and not a pacifist carebear. Op you are almost as moronic as code. Outsmarting code isn't even an issue, as nothing they do is smart, it's mindless miner ganking. It's not difficult, clever, profitable, or indeed anything worth worrying about. Saying you want to make it difficult and less profitable for them just shows that you don't understand even a tiny bit what they are about. If you want to beat them, jump in a pvp ship and hunt them. They can't handle an actual fight. Ref alliance tournament.
very interesting ship build. Unfortunately its the weakest posted here so far. |

The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
186
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Posted - 2016.07.03 04:37:23 -
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You've been given the right answer many times already, by people who know what they are talking about. No point to any more fittings being posted.
These same people have also tried pointing out to you that you are not on to a winning strategy. That what you are trying to do is pointless. That code doesn't care about profitability of ganks.
Please do tank your mining vessel. I have no sympathy for people who don't and then get blown up. But don't pretend like you're some Eve savant who has masterfully outwitted the witless. You're just yet another sour grapes victim.
Troll. |

Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.03 13:03:05 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:You've been given the right answer many times already, by people who know what they are talking about. No point to any more fittings being posted.
These same people have also tried pointing out to you that you are not on to a winning strategy. That what you are trying to do is pointless. That code doesn't care about profitability of ganks.
Please do tank your mining vessel. I have no sympathy for people who don't and then get blown up. But don't pretend like you're some Eve savant who has masterfully outwitted the witless. You're just yet another sour grapes victim.
Troll.
Again, you try so hard to convince me that I'm losing that it only reinforces I'm on the right path to victory. And, because I don't mind pointing out how wrong you are on the one thing that is factually verifiable, I've never been touched by CODE or any other suicide ganker.; apparently don't need to be to see an opportunity to beat someone, or even a whole well funded corp, at their own game. |

Dom Arkaral
Addicted To Chaos Archetype.
518
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Posted - 2016.07.03 16:11:12 -
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Welp folks,
Op is absolutely beyond help. Time to pack your stuff and go give your very good advice to someone who will take it :)
Fly wrecklessly o7
Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker. Has no Honer. Salt Harvester. #b4r
Gł+Montreal EVE Meet Organiser
Gł+Come talk in the ingame chan "EVE Montreal" for more info or just to chill!
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.07.03 17:35:42 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Welp folks,
Op is absolutely beyond help. Time to pack your stuff and go give your very good advice to someone who will take it :)
Fly wrecklessly o7
I have to assume that posters like you don't really believe what you say and are just attempting to spread propaganda or troll because otherwise the only other option is that you do believe your own drivel and no one can really be that dumb.
To refocus the thread, once again, it is about ship fits guided by the original post. Since now most posters here have avoided the actual question, I'm beginning to think what has been offered so far has exhausted the ideas of the EVE general forum goer and that paints a very dismal picture for the EVE community's general ingenuity (and therefore its intelligence) and activity. But feel free to prove me more right, in all respects, by making more posts not oriented to ship fits. Mic drop.
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
190
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Posted - 2016.07.03 20:23:30 -
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Mic drop and walk off is a lot more effective when you actually go away. *fingers crossed* |

Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.07.05 12:06:29 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:Mic drop and walk off is a lot more effective when you actually go away. *fingers crossed*
I don't think this ship fit will work.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2016.07.05 13:02:52 -
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Well this entire thing is silly, but OK I'll play along:
Go with the rokh + depot idea.
Refit with full large smartbombs as code starts warping in (yes you'll need your safety on red and there may be some innocents caught in the crossfire)
nuke them all before they even have time to realize what is happening - get the pods too.
wait for concord if anybody else was near you.
?????
Profit? |

Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
155
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Posted - 2016.07.05 13:10:29 -
[50] - Quote
Darthon Zoh wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Welp folks,
Op is absolutely beyond help. Time to pack your stuff and go give your very good advice to someone who will take it :)
Fly wrecklessly o7 I have to assume that posters like you don't really believe what you say and are just attempting to spread propaganda or troll because otherwise the only other option is that you do believe your own drivel and no one can really be that dumb. To refocus the thread, once again, it is about ship fits guided by the original post. Since now most posters here have avoided the actual question, I'm beginning to think what has been offered so far has exhausted the ideas of the EVE general forum goer and that paints a very dismal picture for the EVE community's general ingenuity (and therefore its intelligence) and activity. But feel free to prove me more right, in all respects, by making more posts not oriented to ship fits. Mic drop.
Sometimes the best advice is the advice you do not want to hear. |

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12510
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Posted - 2016.07.05 18:41:14 -
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Sheeth Athonille wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Darthon Zoh wrote: Also, please spell-out names instead of using acronyms.
YMBFJ    You're My Boy Friend Joe?
You Must Be ******* Joking
 
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.07.05 19:32:40 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Well this entire thing is silly, but OK I'll play along:
Go with the rokh + depot idea.
Refit with full large smartbombs as code starts warping in (yes you'll need your safety on red and there may be some innocents caught in the crossfire)
nuke them all before they even have time to realize what is happening - get the pods too.
wait for concord if anybody else was near you.
?????
Profit?
This would likely cause concord to aggro to us as well and therefore reduce our insurance payout to zero, would it not? I considered and ECM burst build like this as well but it would also likely cause concord aggro. Keeping the isk costs down well below that of what CODE would be forced to used is key to be both able to claim victory and keep these efforts easily sustainable and the ship insurance is essential to that. |

Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
126
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Posted - 2016.07.05 20:01:28 -
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Darthon Zoh wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Well this entire thing is silly, but OK I'll play along:
Go with the rokh + depot idea.
Refit with full large smartbombs as code starts warping in (yes you'll need your safety on red and there may be some innocents caught in the crossfire)
nuke them all before they even have time to realize what is happening - get the pods too.
wait for concord if anybody else was near you.
?????
Profit? This would likely cause concord to aggro to us as well and therefore reduce our insurance payout to zero, would it not? I considered and ECM burst build like this as well but it would also likely cause concord aggro. Keeping the isk costs down well below that of what CODE would be forced to used is key to be both able to claim victory and keep these efforts easily sustainable and the ship insurance is essential to that. Yes it would, as I said you'd likely have collateral damage, innocents in the crossfire, and concord coming down on you.
On the other hand you might just make some code gankers lose pods they didn't plan to lose - I've seen some pretty juicy ones =P |

Paranoid Loyd
9184
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Posted - 2016.07.05 21:20:19 -
[54] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:Sheeth Athonille wrote:Bumblefck wrote:Darthon Zoh wrote: Also, please spell-out names instead of using acronyms.
YMBFJ    You're My Boy Friend Joe? You Must Be ******* Joking   No I don't think he was. 
Fix the Prospect! New Server Hardware!
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The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
195
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Posted - 2016.07.06 10:03:24 -
[55] - Quote
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Darthon Zoh wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Well this entire thing is silly, but OK I'll play along:
Go with the rokh + depot idea.
Refit with full large smartbombs as code starts warping in (yes you'll need your safety on red and there may be some innocents caught in the crossfire)
nuke them all before they even have time to realize what is happening - get the pods too.
wait for concord if anybody else was near you.
?????
Profit? This would likely cause concord to aggro to us as well and therefore reduce our insurance payout to zero, would it not? I considered and ECM burst build like this as well but it would also likely cause concord aggro. Keeping the isk costs down well below that of what CODE would be forced to used is key to be both able to claim victory and keep these efforts easily sustainable and the ship insurance is essential to that. Yes it would, as I said you'd likely have collateral damage, innocents in the crossfire, and concord coming down on you. On the other hand you might just make some code gankers lose pods they didn't plan to lose - I've seen some pretty juicy ones =P
Can I just ask: is the intention of this to just sit in an asteroid belt doing nothing, on the off chance that code warp in and fly in range so you can discobomb them? If so, you definitely just failed Eve. And you've disappointed your parents. |

Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
132
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Posted - 2016.07.06 10:33:29 -
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The Bigpuns wrote:Can I just ask: is the intention of this to just sit in an asteroid belt doing nothing, on the off chance that code warp in and fly in range so you can discobomb them? If so, you definitely just failed Eve. And you've disappointed your parents. Actually the OP's intention is to just sit in an asteroid belt doing nothing on the off chance that code warp in and kill him so he can brag that they lost more isk than he did in doing so...
So I think my suggestion was at least a mild improvement. |

The Bigpuns
Touring New Eden Haven.
195
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Posted - 2016.07.06 10:56:29 -
[57] - Quote
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:The Bigpuns wrote:Can I just ask: is the intention of this to just sit in an asteroid belt doing nothing, on the off chance that code warp in and fly in range so you can discobomb them? If so, you definitely just failed Eve. And you've disappointed your parents. Actually the OP's intention is to just sit in an asteroid belt doing nothing on the off chance that code warp in and kill him so he can brag that they lost more isk than he did in doing so... So I think my suggestion was at least a mild improvement.
Sorry yes, the criticism was aimed at op, not at you. If the only thing he can see wrong with the plan is that it will cost him slightly more than it will cost code, then... I don't know what. I just don't know anymore. |

Morgan Agrivar
Peace.Keepers
356
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Posted - 2016.07.06 11:39:27 -
[58] - Quote
I have a simple solution.
Don't mine.
*drops mic and walks away*
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Darthon Zoh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.07.06 13:12:01 -
[59] - Quote
The Bigpuns wrote:
Can I just ask: is the intention of this to just sit in an asteroid belt doing nothing, on the off chance that code warp in and fly in range so you can discobomb them? If so, you definitely just failed Eve. And you've disappointed your parents.
I'm sorry you have a hard time reading. Might I suggest signing back up for junior high? Seems like you're having trouble understanding EVE. There are much easier games out there that would give you a more gentle time (although not that many). Also the ship fit you suggested will not work.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2016.07.06 13:32:09 -
[60] - Quote
Darthon Zoh wrote:The Bigpuns wrote:
Can I just ask: is the intention of this to just sit in an asteroid belt doing nothing, on the off chance that code warp in and fly in range so you can discobomb them? If so, you definitely just failed Eve. And you've disappointed your parents.
I'm sorry you have a hard time reading. Might I suggest signing back up for junior high? Seems like you're having trouble understanding EVE. There are much easier games out there that would give you a more gentle time (although not that many). Also the ship fit you suggested will not work. [Megathron Federate Issue, CODE TARP] Unit W-634's Modified Damage Control Shaqil's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Shaqil's Modified Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Draclira's Modified Armor Explosive Hardener Draclira's Modified Armor Kinetic Hardener Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender
'Wild' Miner I 'Wild' Miner I 'Wild' Miner I 'Wild' Miner I 'Wild' Miner I 'Wild' Miner I [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II Large Trimark Armor Pump II
Wasp EC-900 x5
There you go. With maxed fleet boosts + high grade slaves and other tanking implants + overheating the defensive modules as you get attacked it has nearly 1.500.000 ehp - plus you can have some remote repair on standby for infinite sustained tank.
Granted it is a little pricey, but the modules are reasonably priced for the ship hull.
It also has the added advantage that no other ship shown so far has had - I can 100% guarantee CODE will mobilize fleets to attempt to gank this ship if you park it in an asteroid belt - along with every other suicide ganker in EVE.
edit: For RR may I recommend 3-5 officer fit etanas? |
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