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Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34065	Posted - 2016.07.01 10:15:21 - [1] - Quote I just want to make sure we're all in agreement that it's okay to create SP from thin air, RE: the reward for Iceland winning the Euro football championship (go Iceland, yay football!) OR will the Injectors be bought from the market using seized funds, in order to preserve the market instead of trampling it? If the plan is to magick the Injectors into everyone's redeeming queue and we're okay with it, that means we've come full circle from the original reasoning that all SP will be generated by subscribed players. And I'm just curious if that has finally happened. Boiling frogs, man. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
chelly Dian Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 56	Posted - 2016.07.01 10:28:00 - [2] - Quote Much like PLEX given away in Frost sites and once that CCP injected a large number of PLEX to stabilise market - they come from banned accounts for RMT.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34065	Posted - 2016.07.01 10:30:40 - [3] - Quote do you know how many characters you'd have to extract to provide an injector to every active account Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Neadayan Drakhon Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan 299	Posted - 2016.07.01 10:33:51 - [4] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: do you know how many characters you'd have to extract to provide an injector to every active account 1 per active account of course
chelly Dian Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 56	Posted - 2016.07.01 10:37:09 - [5] - Quote Aprox 160k I would say My number might be wrong. Also CCP was beting on something like - if Trump wins and then decides to gove away his wealth and go live in Tibet as a monk we ill give out injectors. Not out of realm possible. Just amazingly unlikely. I understand youre logic - its not the bet, its that they were ready to make SP out of thin air. I would argue they wouldnt make it out of thin air, more likely take a "loan" in SP that would be covered by future RMT bans.
Yarosara Ruil 394	Posted - 2016.07.01 10:55:30 - [6] - Quote Here's hoping Iceland wins the Euro then! Just to annoy you guys. I'm more hyped about Quafe SKINs though!
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34066	Posted - 2016.07.01 11:06:07 - [7] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: Here's hoping Iceland wins the Euro then! Just to annoy you guys. I'm more hyped about Quafe SKINs though! I totally hope Iceland wins. I am American and impartial, because not EU and our football is different (and I'm sure Iceland could field a HUGE american football team). I could also really go for an Injector per account. I will use them just like everyone else. I'm just curious if we've fully accepted SP as something that can be given out on this scale. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34066	Posted - 2016.07.01 11:09:52 - [8] - Quote chelly Dian wrote: Aprox 160k I would say My number might be wrong. Also CCP was beting on something like - if Trump wins and then decides to gove away his wealth and go live in Tibet as a monk we ill give out injectors. Not out of realm possible. Just amazingly unlikely. I understand youre logic - its not the bet, its that they were ready to make SP out of thin air. I would argue they wouldnt make it out of thin air, more likely take a "loan" in SP that would be covered by future RMT bans. I suppose 45 billion SP doesn't seem so crazy. I have more than 1.5 billion SP across my characters. CCP have you seized 45 billion SP in characters? Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Elinara Yamamoto Latex Entosis Insignificant Others 42	Posted - 2016.07.01 11:15:22 - [9] - Quote They will not win the final so do not worry, I hope they do get there though, to play Germany, the country I was born in :)
Mephiztopheleze Republic University Minmatar Republic 765	Posted - 2016.07.01 11:17:12 - [10] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: CCP have you seized 45 billion SP in characters? i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say: yes they probably have over the years. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Neadayan Drakhon Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan 299	Posted - 2016.07.01 11:34:47 - [11] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Yarosara Ruil wrote: Here's hoping Iceland wins the Euro then! Just to annoy you guys. I'm more hyped about Quafe SKINs though! I totally hope Iceland wins. I am American and impartial, because not EU and our football is different (and I'm sure Iceland could field a HUGE american football team). I could also really go for an Injector per account. I will use them just like everyone else. I'm just curious if we've fully accepted SP as something that can be given out on this scale. CCP giving out SP gifts (such as they sometimes do for extended server outages), fine Skill trading in any form, no. This will never be ok.
Felix Judge Regnum Ludorum 46	Posted - 2016.07.01 11:40:51 - [12] - Quote I endorse the original question. CCP claimed that no SP would be created out of thin air when they introduced Skill Injectors. Unless they get those SP from somewhere where they were created in the so-far only-acceptable way, they would turn their backs on that claim. And the question is not only academic, given Iceland's chances to win the UEFA cup - if CCP are ready to do it here, they may be ready to do it on some other occasion, too.
Neadayan Drakhon Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan 299	Posted - 2016.07.01 11:55:11 - [13] - Quote Felix Judge wrote: CCP claimed that no SP would be created out of thin air when they introduced Skill Injectors. Unless they get those SP from somewhere where they were created in the so-far only-acceptable way, they would turn their backs on that claim. They already made a lie out of that claim with the SP dailies.
Memphis Baas 1670	Posted - 2016.07.01 12:10:37 - [14] - Quote It's moot; PB accounts are out of the game, so it's still "from thin air." Just assume they've changed the stance to "yes it's ok to give free skillpoints," because just like with PLEX it's not a black-and-white issue; rather, it's another tool they can use to correct and control the economy. Injectors are replacing PLEX as the de-facto high-roller currency, and adding skillpoints from thin air controls the price of injectors. Also the "free sample" can drive up sales, as people get a taste and get hooked. It's all economics. They've finally figured out how to prevent "burn Jita" events: introduce the controversial stuff slowly, in chunks that are small enough to be acceptable.
Daemun Khanid Kameiran Order Team Amarrica 576	Posted - 2016.07.01 12:22:44 - [15] - Quote The sp that has dissapeared into thin air from extractors I've used on myself and injectors bought on the market and used on my alt more than cover any "free" sp I'm likely to recieve EVER. And imagine that same vanished sp accumulated across all injector use easily covers a free injector for each account. But ultimately wgaf? Ppl making isking off sp trading arent gonna go bankrupt over a single injector per character. Hell, even a huge percentage of that "sp from thin air" is gonna vanish right back into thin air. Daemun of Khanid
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 547	Posted - 2016.07.01 12:42:49 - [16] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: I just want to make sure we're all in agreement that it's okay to create SP from thin air, RE: the reward for Iceland winning the Euro football championship (go Iceland, yay football!). It's just CCP teasing because this won't happen.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34068	Posted - 2016.07.01 12:58:03 - [17] - Quote look at all the euros itt Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Memphis Baas 1670	Posted - 2016.07.01 13:46:19 - [18] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: It's just CCP teasing because this won't happen. Seriously, it's only been 2 years since Germany completely humiliated Brazil and beat Argentina in the last World Cup. Even if Iceland beats France, then they'll be in the exact same position as Brazil during the World Cup, vs. Germany in the semi finals. CCP may as well promise 100 million skillpoints to everyone; it won't happen.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34070	Posted - 2016.07.01 14:13:20 - [19] - Quote hey so I kind of feel like out-of-game stuff discussions should be in OOPE. This thread is about ethics in video game XP Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Keebler Wizard Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2016.07.01 14:20:58 - [20] - Quote Quote: So we're Dev Hacking Skill Injectors into existence now? 1 - Dev's dont 'hack'. 2 - Are we? Where's your source? 3 - Other SP giveaways magik too? 4 - Elitist goon with too much money complaining about giveaways? This thread is so full of holes I could drive a bus through it. I don't follow sports either.

DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium 60	Posted - 2016.07.01 14:28:14 - [21] - Quote Will it even make a big difference? It is hard to know how many accounts are "Active", but even assuming that 160k then there's not "that" much being added to the system. A lot of players will inject this item as it is something they cant afford so they will just be happy and inject. And as another poster said... How much "Server SP" has been eaten by the losses? Just the top players on eveboard seem to have eaten about 14 billion SP (losses taken into account!).. Going by how many has been sold/resold then it looks like probably a good 300 billion SP has been taken out of play, so them giving 25-30 billion back out to players will not make much of a difference at all, on top of that they would have done some maths behind it I am sure... Perhaps the math is more like a drug dealer "First hit free", but It's not going to be enough to destroy the game. The key thing here is that everyone will get it, so the only people who will be at a disadvantage are those people that do not have active accounts. My accounts were not active during the recent "Free SP" giveaways that they had due to server issues, that would be nice to have but its not a big deal as my accounts were not active. My question would be, if your using MCT do you get the gift for all characters in active training, or is it just one gift max per account. They should reward players with MCT too, else it makes MCT look a little useless.
Robert Sawyer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 111	Posted - 2016.07.01 20:38:20 - [22] - Quote As an avid Iceland supporter, I am absolutely positive that it can make it to the finals. Anyways, CCP should consider giving us 500k SP in case of a win, that would be very nice. And about skill trading... I sink money into skill injectors from time to time, but I agree that it is a practice that makes the game unbalanced and pay-to-win. Some guy made a new character and dumped $7,000 to max out all skills so ayyy, not fair. "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1971	Posted - 2016.07.01 21:12:55 - [23] - Quote A bit late for this reasoning isn't it? Freely created SP by CCP predates skill injectors. We've received a few unplanned downtime compensations over the years in SP form. Also, as someone who argued from that side when this came up these feel like 2 different concepts you're conflating. One being the issue of direct sale of SP negating the value of training rather than trade strengthening that value, the other being the ability of CCP to hand out gifts on certain occasions, which while they arguably have a similar effect, the latter does so on a muuuuuuch lower scale and only once per incident of giving. I doubt confiscated accounts has any bearing here since it's a gift rather than a market adjustment or in game event.
Frostys Virpio Yet another corpdot. 2951	Posted - 2016.07.01 21:18:02 - [24] - Quote I really like the "narrative" people have where SP coming out of thin air is SOOOOOOOOOOOO bad but completely forgetting every single god damn SP in the game is effectively coming out of thin air...
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34076	Posted - 2016.07.01 21:45:22 - [25] - Quote Hey guys, I feel like there's a difference between 500k unallocated and a Skill Injector. One would be a free week of subscription time benefit, which has been done for quite a few years like you have mentioned. Gifting a SKill Injector, however, is different because there's a recent in-game market for those, and one of the guarantees for its stability was that Injectors would only come from subscribing players. Giving unallocated also requires the consumption of Skill Extractors which would at least maintain the relationship between AUR, PLEX, and Skill Injectors, and preserve the process of having to extract SP. CCP I hope you agree that directly awarding Injectors trashes an in-game market needlessly. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
KaarBaak Squirrel Team 370	Posted - 2016.07.01 21:50:24 - [26] - Quote Maybe this belongs in Market Discussions? Sounds like someone invested some isk speculating the injector market and is worried about a glut. Personally, I'd rather see straight SP rather than an injector. KB Dum Spiro Spero Not getting SP for not killing a rat is like not getting ore for not mining an asteroid.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34077	Posted - 2016.07.01 22:24:15 - [27] - Quote They'll find none of my characters have Injectors, and I've only used four total to transfer SP between them. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34078	Posted - 2016.07.01 22:45:20 - [28] - Quote Market discussion: Will giving a Skill Injector to each account #rek the Skill Injector market? Yes How much? A lot probably. /thread so now can we continue with this one Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
KaarBaak Squirrel Team 371	Posted - 2016.07.01 22:50:34 - [29] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Market discussion: Will giving a Skill Injector to each account #rek the Skill Injector market? Yes How much? A lot probably. /thread so now can we continue with this one So, if it's not about the market, then what's the big deal? Some folks get isk...some get sp. Sounds like a win-win. (or is it a win-win-win?) No...No...definitely just a win-win. KB Dum Spiro Spero Not getting SP for not killing a rat is like not getting ore for not mining an asteroid.
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 144	Posted - 2016.07.01 23:06:37 - [30] - Quote even if i got one injector per account i would still be in the negative for what i bought and what i actually injected. in fact i would be in the hole enough to supply another injector or two. some players have injected all the way to 500 mil sp. from start. Those alone would probably nearly cover everyone in jita right now. So i think its safe to say that ccp will of "created" less sp than was lost since skill injectors came out with this.

Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34078	Posted - 2016.07.01 23:14:18 - [31] - Quote Roenok Baalnorn wrote: even if i got one injector per account i would still be in the negative for what i bought and what i actually injected. in fact i would be in the hole enough to supply another injector or two. some players have injected all the way to 500 mil sp. from start. Those alone would probably nearly cover everyone in jita right now. So i think its safe to say that ccp will of "created" less sp than was lost since skill injectors came out with this. Injector SP efficiency loss is a drawback to prevent us from freely remapping characters. It's not meant to be a justification for CCP spawning them at will. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1971	Posted - 2016.07.01 23:33:19 - [32] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Market discussion: Will giving a Skill Injector to each account #rek the Skill Injector market? Yes How much? A lot probably. /thread so now can we continue with this one That's a giant ball of assumptions about the number of those that even hit the market on top of their effects.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34078	Posted - 2016.07.01 23:42:48 - [33] - Quote Make your own market thread about the impact of SKill Injectors on market, don't hijack mine thanks Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1971	Posted - 2016.07.02 00:14:37 - [34] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Make your own market thread about the impact of SKill Injectors on market, don't hijack mine thanks I suppose I was confused by your earlier statement on the matter of economic effects in 2 posts at that point and the balance of currencies (PLEX/AUR). I took your discussion on the matter to mean you thought those effects somehow related. I guess they aren't now?
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34078	Posted - 2016.07.02 00:42:27 - [35] - Quote They have an effect and that's why instead of Skill Injectors, we should receive Unallocated. Especially if a lot of players will use the item anyway like you suggest. Exactly how much of an impact dev hacked Skill Injectors will have on the market is a different discussion. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1971	Posted - 2016.07.02 01:01:46 - [36] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: They have an effect and that's why instead of Skill Injectors, we should receive Unallocated. Especially if a lot of players will use the item anyway like you suggest. Exactly how much of an impact dev hacked Skill Injectors will have on the market is a different discussion, and yes you are confused. Just because you go off on a market tangent when I mention the word market doesn't mean this thread needs to be moved to market discussions. I never suggested it did need moved, just that you related the market effect to the reason the gift should be SP rather than injectors (which, as a side note, doesn't really mesh with the first part of your op). Also 1 sentence on the topic in direct response to you is a tangent? Sure, I can agree that free SP > injectors for most cases.
Sustrai Aditua Intandofisa 346	Posted - 2016.07.02 01:22:32 - [37] - Quote C'mon maaaaaaaaaan. If we get chased by zombies, I'm tripping you.
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 145	Posted - 2016.07.02 02:49:27 - [38] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Roenok Baalnorn wrote: even if i got one injector per account i would still be in the negative for what i bought and what i actually injected. in fact i would be in the hole enough to supply another injector or two. some players have injected all the way to 500 mil sp. from start. Those alone would probably nearly cover everyone in jita right now. So i think its safe to say that ccp will of "created" less sp than was lost since skill injectors came out with this. Injector SP efficiency loss is a drawback to prevent us from freely remapping characters. It's not meant to be a justification for CCP spawning them at will. You are very aggressive and confrontational. I am glad you are all knowing, since injectors seem more like a skill sink to me, than some type of remap penalty. Also, just FYI, CCP doesnt need justification for anything they do in their game. IF they want to make fluffy pink space bunnies that fly around and zap SP out of random people and inject it into others, thats their call. If they want to hand out skill injectors to celebrate, that is their call. If they want to make a goon cry, that is also their call.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34079	Posted - 2016.07.02 04:19:10 - [39] - Quote No one is crying doofus. If you're okay with it, that's cool. I asked the question, hey, are people sure they're okay with Skill Injectors being handed out. But don't try to tell me it's okay because they're not totally efficient. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 548	Posted - 2016.07.02 04:34:32 - [40] - Quote KaarBaak wrote: Rain6637 wrote: Market discussion: Will giving a Skill Injector to each account #rek the Skill Injector market? Yes How much? A lot probably. /thread so now can we continue with this one So, if it's not about the market, then what's the big deal? Some folks get isk...some get sp. Sounds like a win-win. (or is it a win-win-win?) No...No...definitely just a win-win. KB No, there will be no win. The only realistic outcome is a loss for Iceland. No net effect on New Eden (unless an upset dev turns on new AI for all NPCs by 'accident')

Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34080	Posted - 2016.07.02 06:00:52 - [41] - Quote some of the greatest sports movies are about underdogs who come out of nowhere. Mighty Ducks Miracle COOL RUNNINGS well the Jamaicans didn't win in that one but it was a damn good movie Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Pak Narhoo Splinter Foundation 1756	Posted - 2016.07.02 06:09:53 - [42] - Quote John Candy for the win! So sad 'uncle Buck' is no longer among us.
Tao Dolcino EVE University Ivy League 504	Posted - 2016.07.02 06:14:49 - [43] - Quote Everything is "out of thin air" as soon as you can buy with real money as many accounts as you want and grow alts you never play to sell them or sell SP. Same with PLEX for ISK. There are casual gamers like me who won't invest more than 15Gé¼ / month for a game, either because they can't or don't wish to. And there are people ready to invest tons of real money in order to get an edge in game. EVE has always been like that by nature : pay to win. I don't like it, but i live my little life of small player and have fun out of it, so in my perspective, i win too without giving fortunes away. Also, when you extract ore from asteroids who will respawn, or bounty or loot from NPCs who will respawn, it's also "out of thin air". CCP 2015 : "Fluff is good"
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 820	Posted - 2016.07.02 09:01:18 - [44] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: I just want to make sure we're all in agreement that it's okay to create SP from thin air, RE: the reward for Iceland winning the Euro football championship (go Iceland, yay football!) OR will the Injectors be bought from the market using seized funds, in order to preserve the market instead of trampling it? If the plan is to magick the Injectors into everyone's redeeming queue and we're okay with it, that means we've completely dropped the original reasoning that all SP will be generated by subscribed players. And I'm just curious if that has finally happened. May I suggest giving 500k unallocated to each account instead? I guess the difference is your intent. Do you want me to have 500k SP, or do you want me to have an Injector. I won't get more than 150k per Injector on my characters, so I would receive more benefit from 500k unallocated. More importantly, there's the market supply to preserve. With 500k unallocated, you'd be giving us a free week of SP but we'd still have to consume an Extractor to put the free SP to market. It would be a lot more stable than a sudden flood of Injectors ready to sell. Thanks. Seized assets from banned accounts = trampling the market. Banned accounts are no longer part of the economy and so reinjecting their material or noncapital value back in to the game is essentially the same as handwaving stuff in. We're not talking about deceased estates here we're talking about digital assets that functionally stop existing when the owner leaves the game. Someone quitting does not have an impact on the economy beyond the tiny vacuum they leave behind.
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium 61	Posted - 2016.07.02 11:50:50 - [45] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Roenok Baalnorn wrote: even if i got one injector per account i would still be in the negative for what i bought and what i actually injected. in fact i would be in the hole enough to supply another injector or two. some players have injected all the way to 500 mil sp. from start. Those alone would probably nearly cover everyone in jita right now. So i think its safe to say that ccp will of "created" less sp than was lost since skill injectors came out with this. Injector SP efficiency loss is a drawback to prevent us from freely remapping characters. It's not meant to be a justification for CCP spawning them at will. There is a isk cost associated with using these. Okay assuming the "Resell" value was close to the actual value (around 450 mil) then people might do this. But the cost would still be 210 mil per 500k and that is quite expensive for a remap. I honestly think they are doing this to give a SP drain in the game, old players who are stuck in doing what they want to do can use the extractors and keep only what they want/need... They might end up down in the 100-150 mil range (vs 200+) and new players will say to themselves "Well, The pro only has 100 mil, I have 9 million, its not so bad" I could be wrong on this. Plus it's a huge money grab, the idea being that old pro's will buy PLEX to extract, New players will buy PLEX isk out on for bumping accounts with injectors. I still don't object, It is a gift from CCP to everyone - thus it doesn't really give any huge advantage to one person over another. Resllers and SP Farmers will get hit by this, but they are not part of the core market on either side so CCP probably doesn't give that much consideration.
eddie valvetino Snuff Box Snuffed Out 217	Posted - 2016.07.02 13:05:49 - [46] - Quote only in eve do you get so many people whining about a free thing sort your ******* lifes out. 2 points really. 1. Awesome something free yay!!! 2. Iceland are not going to win
Daerrol Death By Design Did he say Jump 307	Posted - 2016.07.02 14:02:38 - [47] - Quote more likely than not this woudl increase demand for SP injectors as people like me who have never bothred with them become addicted and begin liquidating out assets to buy more.
Kukaryamba Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2016.07.02 17:58:51 - [48] - Quote People complaining about free stuff. /thread
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 55599	Posted - 2016.07.03 02:03:32 - [49] - Quote Well, the question of whether we get a free gift or not is moot since it'll happen regardless of what we say. When getting free gifts from CCP, those gifts should be equally beneficial to all characters. As for a choice of getting a Skill Injector or straight 500k skillpoints, I'll take the SP's every time. Why, because my character has over 150 mill SP's and I'll just get ripped off if I use an Injector compared to somebody who only has 1 mill SP's. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 151	Posted - 2016.07.03 03:42:32 - [50] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Well, the question of whether we get a free gift or not is moot since it'll happen regardless of what we say. When getting free gifts from CCP, those gifts should be equally beneficial to all characters. As for a choice of getting a Skill Injector or straight 500k skillpoints, I'll take the SP's every time. Why, because my character has over 150 mill SP's and I'll just get ripped off if I use an Injector compared to somebody who only has 1 mill SP's. DMC Free injector, Free 500k sp, Free Vanquisher BPO( HINT HINT CCP), Im happy with any free gifts.

Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 554	Posted - 2016.07.03 05:33:30 - [51] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: some of the greatest sports movies are about underdogs who come out of nowhere. ... COOL RUNNINGS well the Jamaicans didn't win in that one but it was a damn good movie Yes, a 'COOL ICELAND' movie could come out of this :) Same outcome.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34090	Posted - 2016.07.03 06:18:49 - [52] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Rain6637 wrote: some of the greatest sports movies are about underdogs who come out of nowhere. ... COOL RUNNINGS well the Jamaicans didn't win in that one but it was a damn good movie Yes, a 'COOL ICELAND' movie could come out of this :) Same outcome. yeah but they have ice and cold weather so it would have to be a warm weather sport where you wouldn't expect them to field a team like football? Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 13263	Posted - 2016.07.03 11:24:31 - [53] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Rain6637 wrote: some of the greatest sports movies are about underdogs who come out of nowhere. ... COOL RUNNINGS well the Jamaicans didn't win in that one but it was a damn good movie Yes, a 'COOL ICELAND' movie could come out of this :) Same outcome. yeah but they have ice and cold weather so it would have to be a warm weather sport where you wouldn't expect them to field a team like football? They have these covered hall football fields. They have seen that in Norway and build some in Iceland. I give you ( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ Boarding bays Gÿá Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Remiel Pollard Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 7566	Posted - 2016.07.03 17:06:32 - [54] - Quote Daemun Khanid wrote: Are ppl gonna cry and complain about magic sp every time CCP give out a handfull for server down time? Actually, I'm a staunch supporter of CCP giving nobody anything at all for server problems. As per the EVE Online EULA: The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game. CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software. While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures. https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula-en/ TL;DR - CCP owe you nothing if ** happens, and at the end of the day, as soon as they open 'pandora's box', so to speak, there's no putting it back. Now, typically, everyone EXPECTS something to be given to them when ** goes wrong. In simpler terms, it breeds entitlement, where there is no entitlement to be had. Also, hullo everyone. I'm back. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Primary This Rifter SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1201	Posted - 2016.07.03 20:07:54 - [55] - Quote Kukaryamba wrote: People complaining about free stuff. /thread It's not that they're saying "this free stuff isn't what I wanted", it's that they're saying it shouldn't be free or given out at all. If CCP said "we'll give every account a titan" would you be in threads like this saying "lol people complaining about free stuff"? Probably not. Or maybe you would, idk. But you'd draw the line somewhere.
Primary This Rifter SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 1201	Posted - 2016.07.03 20:08:45 - [56] - Quote And yeah I've said before that CCP giving out SP for minor server downtimes is dumb and only increases entitlement.
Demolishar United Aggression 1118	Posted - 2016.07.03 20:16:15 - [57] - Quote Looks like we have nothing to worry about.
Rain6637 GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 34091	Posted - 2016.07.03 22:09:52 - [58] - Quote Well. I believed. I just wanted to see CCP do the most correct thing. Help, I can't download EVE President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Vortexo VonBrenner Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 2342	Posted - 2016.07.05 01:13:52 - [59] - Quote We need the Raggi Sig scanner probe. EvE security zones in pictures EvE quick reference sheet pdf Smoke me a Kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium 63	Posted - 2016.07.05 11:38:49 - [60] - Quote Rain6637 wrote: Well. I believed. I just wanted to see CCP do the most correct thing. I just wanted some free junque



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