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Deus lmperator
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:51:00 -
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Does CCP actually ban player for sharing account? I know it is against the EULA, but what happens if I do it anyway?
Assuming that I share account with other people, and won't bother the GM with petitions if I get hacked since it's my own fault, is there anything I have to worry about?
Thanks. |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries
Push Interstellar Network
55
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Posted - 2011.12.20 11:54:00 -
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Guys, will I actually die if I jump off a cliff? I know it's the against laws of physics not to, but what happens if I do it anyway?
Assuming that I jump off a cliff and haven't read any physics books or science on gravity, terminal velocity etc, is there anything I have to worry about?
Thanks.
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Deus lmperator
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:00:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:Guys, will I actually die if I jump off a cliff? I know it's the against laws of physics not to, but what happens if I do it anyway?
Assuming that I jump off a cliff and haven't read any physics books or science on gravity, terminal velocity etc, is there anything I have to worry about?
Thanks.
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Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:02:00 -
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Their official stance is that it's not allowed. They have that in place so they can whack someone with a ban stick if he did something to mess up that other account. CCP doesn't give a fck if you share accounts until something goes wrong and people start petitioning that mess, then they won't have to dig through the "he said, she said" and just go "lol, it's not allowed BYE!" making it much easier on their GMs.
Exactly the same thign when it comes to character sales combined with assets/isk. Apart from the RMT issue the only reason to have that in place is to not have to deal with it more than "well, don't do it then" if something goes wrong. But you can transfer chars with isk/assets just fine, as long as you don't start whining if something goes wrong.
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Mallikanth
L V B Industries
24
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:06:00 -
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Deus lmperator wrote:Does CCP actually ban player for sharing account? I know it is against the EULA, but what happens if I do it anyway?
Assuming that I share account with other people, and won't bother the GM with petitions if I get hacked since it's my own fault, is there anything I have to worry about?
Thanks.
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Changed it to a funny one
Changed it again to an analogy
Gave up.
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:15:00 -
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Mallikanth wrote:I now rely on Darwinism to take effect.
For me its a toss up between the Giant Spaghetti monster and Creationsim.
But OP, basicly, sharing an account allowed so if you decide to do it anyway if you run into trouble you can't go crying about it to CCP.
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Deus lmperator
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:16:00 -
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Well, from what I understand sharing account is not allowed because the GM don't want to have to deal with the mess it could cause from people stealing other ****.
In that case I should be fine if I don't bother them if I get my **** stolen because of it, just wanted to be sure if anyone has gotten banned simply for sharing account and not because they did some suspicious activities.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
98
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:18:00 -
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If they don't know about it, you're fine.
When the other guy changes the password and keeps all your stuff and you go crying to support, they will rightfully laugh at you.
Enjoy!
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Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
299
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:25:00 -
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Siigari Kitawa wrote:Guys, will I actually die if I jump off a cliff? I know it's the against laws of physics not to, but what happens if I do it anyway?
Assuming that I jump off a cliff and haven't read any physics books or science on gravity, terminal velocity etc, is there anything I have to worry about?
Thanks.
There were people surviving falls of 5km and more ... so it's not against the laws of physics.
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Cathy Drall
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
115
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:30:00 -
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Deus lmperator wrote:Does CCP actually ban player for sharing account? I know it is against the EULA, but what happens if I do it anyway?
As long as you don't tell anyone I think it's definitely ok. 
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
41
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:33:00 -
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Hard not to tell anyone this by posting it on a open-to-all-but-trials forum
J'Poll
Recruiter - Imperial Legi0n
As a finishing touch, God created the Dutch |
Quit Whining
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:51:00 -
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If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it still make a sound?... |
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GM CiD
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:54:00 -
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Hi there,
Any and all account sharing is forbidden, and this is clearly stated in the EULA. The EULA can be found here:
http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp
The articles I am referring to here are articles 2 A and B.
If account sharing is discovered, accounts can be banned while the issue is being investigated and rightful ownership is being established. Whether the account stays banned or not is based on the discretion of the GM investigating the issue and is based on our internal rules and policies.
Banning accounts is something we do not do lightly and account sharing is considered to be a serious violation of the EULA
The only person that is allowed to access the account is the original owner. If we discover that an account is being accessed by anyone else than the original owner, we will look into it and take necessary action.
So to clarify what is account sharing is actually very simple. Anyone other than the original account owner accessing the account in question with the permission of the account owner is considered to be involved in account sharing. If the account is accessed without the permission of the owner of the account, the issue is considered to be account hacking.
Why is account sharing bad?
Some people believe that sharing account information with friends can help them in situations where skill training is needed and when that cyno pilot is needed, but you are studying/working or need to go to sleep since you have to show up for work/school the next day.
We see on almost daily basis cases where account sharing goes bad and and accounts and characters are stolen from their rightful owners. This can be painful for the original owner, that believed he was doing a friend a favor but suddenly finds that a 20+ million SP character has been transferred off of his account.
The issue can also be on the other end when a player receives an account from a friend that stopped playing, only to show up a few years later reclaiming the account and characters. Although we can help in some instances, more often than not things have transpired in such a way that we cannot intervene.
The account sharing can also have impact on corporations and alliances. And we have seen examples of this. Corporation wallets emptied, theft of assets, changes to infrastructure and other nasty things have happened when account information lands in the wrong hands.
Our actions are always based on the rules and policies we have and although they may feel like unforgiving and harsh, they are based on years of experience and these cases are something we try to solve with fairness in mind, but sadly we are unable to please everyone.
Reading the EULA and following it should ensure that you do not have issues with your account. If you are in doubt you can always create a petition as we are always willing to help our players resolve their problems.
Best regards,
GM Cid
EVE Online Customer Support Team |
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Niraia
Starcakes
THE R0NIN
75
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:12:00 -
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I don't really care about this subject, but when CCP staff refuse to answer a direct question like that with a direct answer, I die a little inside. The question was will CCP ban an account for sharing, or not.
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Efraya
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:16:00 -
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tl;dr: YES THEY WILL
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Flatline.
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:26:00 -
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Niraia wrote:I don't really care about this subject, but when CCP staff refuse to answer a direct question like that with a direct answer, I die a little inside. The question was will CCP ban an account for sharing, or not.
Learn to read.
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Niraia
Starcakes
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:31:00 -
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Taram Caldar wrote:Learn to read.
You got more than "maybe" from that?
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:43:00 -
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Niraia wrote:Taram Caldar wrote:Learn to read. You got more than "maybe" from that?
Yes. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
588
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:44:00 -
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if you put a bullet in the furnace, will it explode?
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front
The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:54:00 -
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Efraya wrote:tl;dr: YES THEY WILL
anecdotal evidence says otherwise.
Over the time I have played EVE I have noticed several occasions on which corp or alliance assets (your corp's only Orca pilot etc) were shared via account sharing as well as situations in which friends updated skills for players who couldn't log in themselves.
If CCP were actively looking to detect account sharing (storing & comparison of IPs, MAC addresses, OS fingerprints, whatever...) these people should have been investigated and received punishment. They didn't.
Therefore my belief (based on these experiences) is that while CCP can of course ban you for account sharing they usually won't do so unless the sharing results in a dispute or is explicitly brought to their attention.
I actually petitioned one instance of account sharing and the GM refused to take action against the player who had used the shared account info (the account's owner was banned because of a different issue) on the basis of a "no harm was done" argument.
Then there is the issue of sharing accounts with other household members which usually can't be detected by CCP at all...
Unconditionally saying "THEY WILL" is just wrong. |
Moria
DEROB
TinkerTown Terrorists
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:59:00 -
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Morganta wrote:if you put a bullet in the furnace, will it explode?
only if the furnace is on  . The only time I''ve seen account sharing banned was when the original owner brought notice to a gm |
Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2011.12.20 15:12:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:Efraya wrote:tl;dr: YES THEY WILL anecdotal evidence says otherwise. Over the time I have played EVE I have noticed several occasions on which corp or alliance assets (your corp's only Orca pilot etc) were shared via account sharing as well as situations in which friends updated skills for players who couldn't log in themselves. If CCP were actively looking to detect account sharing (storing & comparison of IPs, MAC addresses, OS fingerprints, whatever...) these people should have been investigated and received punishment. They didn't. Therefore my belief (based on these experiences) is that while CCP can of course ban you for account sharing they usually won't do so unless the sharing results in a dispute or is explicitly brought to their attention. I actually petitioned one instance of account sharing and the GM refused to take action against the player who had used the shared account info (the account's owner was banned because of a different issue) on the basis of a "no harm was done" argument. Then there is the whole issue of sharing accounts with other household members which is usually undetectable for CCP... Unconditionally saying "THEY WILL" does not seem justified (and that they can if they want to was never in question).
I have two PCs, one at work, one at home. I use both for playing eve, with the same account (at different times, obviously). I get banned for account sharing. Congratulations, your method for detecting account sharing just got a non-sharing player blocked.
CCP will ban your account if you account share, and they notice it. They don't really look for it, as it's as hard as bot detection. (Harder, actually, as you don't have biometrics to prove who you are.)
If they /know/ you account share, banhammer. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
379
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Posted - 2011.12.20 15:45:00 -
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Jenn Makanen wrote:
I have two PCs, one at work, one at home. I use both for playing eve, with the same account (at different times, obviously). I get banned for account sharing. Congratulations, your method for detecting account sharing just got a non-sharing player blocked.
CCP will ban your account if you account share, and they notice it. They don't really look for it, as it's as hard as bot detection. (Harder, actually, as you don't have biometrics to prove who you are.)
If they /know/ you account share, banhammer.
I'd wager you left yourself online at home or work a few times and bumped your account offline to login from the other place. That or you live close to work and logged in quickly enough from both sites to the same account.
Repeated logins from 2 different IP locations like that within a short timeframe is a relatively easy to detect sign of account sharing.
But it's not 100% proof either. :)
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fuer0n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:03:00 -
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if you give people your account name and passowrd in eve will they steal it. hell yes!!!! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:16:00 -
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Relevant |
Forum Fighter
Internet Tough Guys
24
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:25:00 -
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You will have a falling out with your "friend."
He will steal your account.
You will be butthurt and emorage.
You will petition and **** up the forums with how bad CCP customer service is.
They're all gonna laugh at you.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:29:00 -
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Just one more thing..
RMT
lets say you sell your account on e-bay. How are GMs suppose to find out if its friendly account sharing ? Thats probably the reason why it is severe violation of EULA.
Or maybe not.. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
354
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Posted - 2011.12.20 19:07:00 -
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Niraia wrote:I don't really care about this subject, but when CCP staff refuse to answer a direct question like that with a direct answer, I die a little inside. The question was will CCP ban an account for sharing, or not.
YOU CLEARLY CAN'T READ
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Xolve
Intaki Armaments
Important Internet Spaceship League
260
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Posted - 2011.12.20 19:47:00 -
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So everyone thats participated in the Alliance Tournament will be banned then eh?
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:51:00 -
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Xolve wrote:So everyone thats participated in the Alliance Tournament will be banned then eh?
what about corporate/alliance titans pilot ? WHere the account is actuall asset of said corporation/alliance.. |
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