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Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:00:00 -
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Can I ask the experienced explorationist's if dual-boxing is advisible for exploration and what your experiences are?
My main just skilled up fly an Ishtar all-in-one exploration fit but I got a second account now with a beginner mini alt. I am wondering what ship combos would work for exploration besides the obvious choice of Covop and Cane? Or would it be even better to do exploration solo .. as originally planned .. because less multi-tasking when in lowsec and let the alt just do some independent missioning/mining?
Does anyone have some experience and feedback?
Thx, Sam |

Czeris
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:15:00 -
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Sam Redshift wrote:Can I ask the experienced explorationist's if dual-boxing is advisible for exploration and what your experiences are? My main just skilled up fly an Ishtar all-in-one exploration fit  but I got a second account now with a beginner mini alt. I am wondering what ship combos would work for exploration besides the obvious choice of Covop and Cane? Or would it be even better to do exploration solo .. as originally planned .. because less multi-tasking when in lowsec and let the alt just do some independent missioning/mining? Does anyone have some experience and feedback? Thx, Sam
Dual boxing is the way to go for exploration, unless you happen to be doing just High and Low sec sites, where the hassle of managing a second account isn't worth the 2 minutes you shave off your completion time. Some of the null complexes have huge numbers of rats to grind through and you can cut your completion times down quite a bit dual boxing. Also, if you're exploring in hostile or semi-hostile areas having a second account to scout for you in a cheap and/or cloaky ship saves having to blind jump your 4 billion ISK Maze tank Tengu.
A great second account ship to train a brand new alt for is a stealth bomber, since it can fill the cloaky cheap scout role, as well as providing a good amount of extra DPS.
edit: dual boxing also lets you take advantage of Fleet bonuses from Leadership skills. I run a Tengu tank and a pure DPS Vindicator in general for secure null sec areas. |

Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.20 12:23:00 -
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Czeris wrote:A great second account ship to train a brand new alt for is a stealth bomber, since it can fill the cloaky cheap scout role, as well as providing a good amount of extra DPS.
edit: dual boxing also lets you take advantage of Fleet bonuses from Leadership skills. I run a Tengu tank and a pure DPS Vindicator in general for secure null sec areas.
Ohh .. stealth bomber that is an interesting idea!
Thx for sharing, Czeris
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.20 13:02:00 -
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I toyed around with a Rapier + stealth bomber duo for a while, it was quite fun and the Rapier's TP and web bonuses really help the SB, but it can be a pain to get either of them in position to try and speed tank/kite lowsec sites, and of course, nowhere near efficient. Stealth bombers are also really fragile so you'll want to be careful with respawns/new waves.
I've also heard some guys like to run dual T3s, with one being your normal cloaky/probing/salvaging/codebreaking/analyzing T3, and the other one being normal tank/gank to run sites with. This is of course, character SP and wallet permitting.
More important that dual boxing I'd say would be to know your region, know the sites (how hard are they, what can they be done in, what are the shortcuts etc.), cherry pick them, and then work from there to choosing your 2nd chara's ship. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2011.12.20 14:32:00 -
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For high/low stuff, I don't dual box.
In wormholes, I run a noctis alt to speed up salvaging. |

Kilrayn
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.12.20 15:58:00 -
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Sam Redshift wrote:Can I ask the experienced explorationist's if dual-boxing is advisible for exploration and what your experiences are? My main just skilled up fly an Ishtar all-in-one exploration fit  but I got a second account now with a beginner mini alt. I am wondering what ship combos would work for exploration besides the obvious choice of Covop and Cane? Or would it be even better to do exploration solo .. as originally planned .. because less multi-tasking when in lowsec and let the alt just do some independent missioning/mining? Does anyone have some experience and feedback? Thx, Sam In Empire, you'll fall behind anyone flying an exploration fit t3 (as long as they're doing it right ). In low/null however, you could use the alt to scan ahead for camps/ambushes while your ishtar clears a site, so I can see an advantage there. In the beginning, the Universe was created. This has angered numerous people for many different reasons and is widely considered as a 'bad move'. |

Tanjo Janau
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:05:00 -
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Kilrayn wrote:Sam Redshift wrote:Can I ask the experienced explorationist's if dual-boxing is advisible for exploration and what your experiences are? My main just skilled up fly an Ishtar all-in-one exploration fit  but I got a second account now with a beginner mini alt. I am wondering what ship combos would work for exploration besides the obvious choice of Covop and Cane? Or would it be even better to do exploration solo .. as originally planned .. because less multi-tasking when in lowsec and let the alt just do some independent missioning/mining? Does anyone have some experience and feedback? Thx, Sam In Empire, you'll fall behind anyone flying an exploration fit t3 (as long as they're doing it right  ). In low/null however, you could use the alt to scan ahead for camps/ambushes while your ishtar clears a site, so I can see an advantage there.
I pretty much have an alt in a Covert ops who scans/scouts ahead. He also has the codebreaker/analyzed modules.
Main is in an Ishtar, fit for DPS.
My alt has far better scanning skills and can scan down the sites much faster (yay DSP).
I can also use the alt to pick up the loot while the main tanks (Main pulls all aggro, pops boss, alt scoops loot).
In low I can use the alt to watch cloaked for pirates warping to the site etc. |

Mnemosyne Gloob
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.20 16:30:00 -
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I used my other account to tag along since quite early on (navy comet i think it was, then rupture and now hurricane). It's basically just there for dps and to deal with some special cases (pop the webbers in 5/10s for instance). I could use a battleship or something like a hac, but i have found that flying the cheap stuff is better - scout ahead, peek into suspicious sites and so on.
I agree that in highsec it is prolly not justified but in anything like 5/10s or up the added dps will let you be way faster. I also realize most ppl would rather use a covops or so for scanning and the other account to do the sites, but since my first character is kinda set up do do all the scanning and also tanking really this works well for me.
But yeah i guess the desired thing would be 2xtengu, since everyone knows that every annswer regarding exploration ships is tengu ... :/
[edit]I have also heard that there are actually people who scan with 2 characters ... now i don't know i guess to cover empire regions or so it might work, but i personally wouldn't want to try it ^^[/edit] |

Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:01:00 -
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Tanjo Janau wrote:[ I pretty much have an alt in a Covert ops who scans/scouts ahead. He also has the codebreaker/analyzed modules.
Main is in an Ishtar, fit for DPS.
My alt has far better scanning skills and can scan down the sites much faster (yay DSP).
I can also use the alt to pick up the loot while the main tanks (Main pulls all aggro, pops boss, alt scoops loot).
In low I can use the alt to watch cloaked for pirates warping to the site etc.
Well ... that makes sense. But my main has trained up the skills for the Ishtar and scanning (Caldari shield & missile / Gallente Drones). I rather spontanteneously got my second alt and I am a bit reluctant to skill the alt to comparable scanning abilities. It seems to be duplication of expertise. The alt is a mini character, probs I should consider to train her gunnery skills and get her in a scouting/dps support role.
Thx for all the comments . Scouting/dps [ALT] and scanning/tanking/dps [Main] sounds good. With my main in an Ishtar, I can try different inexpensive support ships for my alt.
Dual-Tengu setup sounds really posh .. but this will take some time to accomplish. |

FlameGlow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:27:00 -
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Dual-boxing Tengus is so 2010, tier 3 BC is the new choice for second account DPS alt, dealing 700 or so to 40 km. I like tachyon oracle, but maybe there are better ones, who knows. Even with damage type not optimal against guristas Oracle 1-2 shots most medium size rats and melts battleships in 7-8 volleys |
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St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.20 18:58:00 -
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Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:[edit]I have also heard that there are actually people who scan with 2 characters ... now i don't know i guess to cover empire regions or so it might work, but i personally wouldn't want to try it ^^[/edit] I've scanned with two separate characters in two regions simultaneously for a while... my wrists almost disowned me after that  |

Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:51:00 -
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If you plan on taking the alt into a wormhole then they will need their own scanning skills, in case you get trapped on the wrong side of a collapsed hole, or your main gets ganked.
Train the alt up for a drake. Dual drakes is wormholes on easy mode. |

Tanjo Janau
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.20 23:23:00 -
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Sam Redshift wrote:Tanjo Janau wrote:[ I pretty much have an alt in a Covert ops who scans/scouts ahead. He also has the codebreaker/analyzed modules.
Main is in an Ishtar, fit for DPS.
My alt has far better scanning skills and can scan down the sites much faster (yay DSP).
I can also use the alt to pick up the loot while the main tanks (Main pulls all aggro, pops boss, alt scoops loot).
In low I can use the alt to watch cloaked for pirates warping to the site etc. Well ... that makes sense. But my main has trained up the skills for the Ishtar and scanning (Caldari shield & missile / Gallente Drones). I rather spontanteneously got my second alt and I am a bit reluctant to skill the alt to comparable scanning abilities. It seems to be duplication of expertise. The alt is a mini character, probs I should consider to train her gunnery skills and get her in a scouting/dps support role. Thx for all the comments  . Scouting/dps [ALT] and scanning/tanking/dps [Main] sounds good. With my main in an Ishtar, I can try different inexpensive support ships for my alt. Dual-Tengu setup sounds really posh .. but this will take some time to accomplish.
You say that now.
I started an alt to do the things i didnt want to waste time on my main. Started him with haulers/noctis/PI etc. Now he can scan better than my main, fly covert ops, SB, Drake, and almost tengu.
Either way, you cant have too many good scanning toons IMO.
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Arazel Chainfire
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.12.21 00:58:00 -
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In highsec, having an orca + main who scans/runs sites is nice. Like hauling around a mobile station. Lowsec I like t3 scanner/dps + spare dps. Nullsec I've been pretty lazy so far - scan, go back for t3's to run sites. I just defaulted to the tengu because its easy, has good damage projection and enough tank. I could do better, but that would mean paying more attention to the PvE and I'm out here for the PvP atm.
-Arazel |

Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.21 08:48:00 -
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Tanjo Janau wrote:
I started an alt to do the things i didnt want to waste time on my main. Started him with haulers/noctis/PI etc. Now he can scan better than my main, fly covert ops, SB, Drake, and almost tengu.
Either way, you cant have too many good scanning toons IMO.
Lol ... I see the problem already. Even with 2 chars the wishlist for the skill plans is still too long and somehow one toon ist just missing the skills of the other one .
Of course, I plan to get decend scanning skills and covops for my alt, too .. just (hopefully) not up to DSP's etc. Right now the alt is so newish (8 weeks young) that I work on basic fitting skills and T1 cane skills to get her in dps support for lvl4s and exploration.
Thx for all your helpful comments. |

St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.21 08:59:00 -
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Remember that NPCs only target one ship at a time, so even if you have a Rifter or a Kestrel orbiting them at 100km, it means they won't be shooting at your other ship :) |

Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.21 09:09:00 -
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St Mio wrote:Remember that NPCs only target one ship at a time, so even if you have a Rifter or a Kestrel orbiting them at 100km, it means they won't be shooting at your other ship :)
Hhhmmmm .. you are right but does this not mean that the rifter needs to come closer to pull all agro in the roam? Can a fast rifter still survive this with the right fit (speed tank?)
Any suggestions how to pull this stunt would be appreciated. I just have not enough experience with all your pro tricks.
St Mio ... btw ... your DSP guide is absolutely amazing ... thank you for all the hard work put into it. The best Eve guide of 2011 |

Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.21 09:22:00 -
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o/ Sam
Dual boxing most things makes it more efficient, I know a reasonably tanked Harby can clear a lot of low level Null Sites with fighter support very quickly  |

Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.21 09:41:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:o/ Sam Dual boxing most things makes it more efficient, I know a reasonably tanked Harby can clear a lot of low level Null Sites with fighter support very quickly 
\o/ Danny .. what a surprise to see you here. I wish you a Merry Christmas ..hope you get some shiny ships from Santa.
I have not tried dual boxing for combat more intensily with my new alt. I guess I just need to jump straight into it and learn it by doing as always in EVE. But getting some feedback from the community is showing me all the different strategies. Very helpful indeed. |

5nipe
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.21 12:54:00 -
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Sam Redshift wrote:St Mio wrote:Remember that NPCs only target one ship at a time, so even if you have a Rifter or a Kestrel orbiting them at 100km, it means they won't be shooting at your other ship :) Hhhmmmm .. you are right  but does this not mean that the rifter needs to come closer  to pull all agro in the roam? Can a fast rifter still survive this with the right fit (speed tank?) Rifter is ok for entry level sites. But if you consider double boxing speed tank+DPS dealer I would recommend you Dramiel+Bomber duo. I have used it for long, long time. It is extremely efficient to run DED plexes in low sec. Dramiel capable speed tank Guristas 4/10, 6/10 and even 8/10 (0.0). And Manticore can clean 4/10 within 10 mins, 6/10 in about 30 mins and 8/10 takes a bit more then an hour. Therefore, Dramiel (or any other frig class ship) can't speed tank Guristas 5/10 due to the presence of web towers, neither few other sites as well. So, you should be quiet selective what kind of exploration and were you are going to do. Another thing you need to think about is potential "guest" while you running for example 6/10. Typically it would be Tengu in PvE fit, but very capable to force you leave the site. Ofc, there are some countermeasures to this situation even with Drami/bomber setup, but it is completely different story.
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.12.22 19:45:00 -
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personally i use a covert ops frigate and a ishtar w/ tech 2 sentry drones for lowsec plexing.
2x medium sentry damage rigs
mid: 2 omni II's 1 cap charger 1 sensor booster - targetting range ( I fight serpentis rates normally who tracking disrupt, this effectively counters most of the time, otherwise sub for a second cap charger
low:
1x medium armor repper 3x faction active hardeners for the right damage types, to fit the CPU req's 1x cap power relay II
high protype cloak drone link augmentor small railgun to pull aggro salvager II
drones 5x small 5x med 5x medium ecm (to get away if you get jumped, but if you're a decent pilot that won't happen) 5x sentry II and if you have HAC 5 5x ogre's
though basically i never have to use anything but the smalls and sentry's .. **** goes down fast w/ the sentries and this setup
also carry 2 codebreakers and analyzers for mag/rad sites and swap out at a near station if you have to .. use the covops to scout your ishtar (do not blind jump a faction fit ishtar for gods sake please) and find a nice quiet part of lowsec to base out of
been making a **** ton of isk with this setup.. |

Bibosikus
Elite United Hard Moose Moose Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 20:22:00 -
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I use a pair of Legions for 'plex-running out of our Class 2 highsec static when I've nothing else to do.
Scanner alt flies a cloaky expanded prober with warfare sub, T2 armour links and code breakers plus salvager for the faction wrecks. DPS alt follows with 600dps, twin TC's and a good boosted omnitank so the pair can run any rat type site.
Scanner nails site and warps squad, sits at gate with links running.
In my experience this is an ideal setup and is quicker than using a solo all-rounder, which is what I used to do.
In low/null you'd use 2 dps or a tank & heavy dps ofc:) The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |

Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.23 16:34:00 -
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Thanks a lot for sharing the great advice.
Using two Legions sounds like the top-end solution similar to double tengu . This will take some more time.
I probs need to consider to train up my new alt into covops and scanning rather than dps following all your feedback. Sam, my main, can here more easily optimize the Ishtar for dps skill-wise (sentry V) by droping the scanner role.
Hhhmmm, I just like to use deepspace probes, and Astronomy V and other scanning skills for the alt will take time, too.
Thx again, mates |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2011.12.24 00:56:00 -
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Sam Redshift wrote:Thanks a lot for sharing the great advice. Using two Legions sounds like the top-end solution similar to double tengu  . This will take some more time. I probs need to consider to train up my new alt into covops and scanning rather than dps following all your feedback. Sam, my main, can here more easily optimize the Ishtar for dps skill-wise (sentry V) by droping the scanner role. Hhhmmm, I just like to use deepspace probes, and Astronomy V and other scanning skills for the alt will take time, too. Thx again, mates I know this thread has probably gone on a bit longer than intended, but thought I'd add one thing that really helps me earn more ISKies :)
Buy a load of salvaging destroyers, leave them scattered around the low sec near you. If you find a decent c3 with loads of anoms, mags, radars etc. then run it.
Warp in the cov ops, make sure it's empty, make a safe. Swap cov ops for salvager. Use the T3 you're training for to clear it, and just have the alt sitting in the destroyer warp to your main as he finishes each site. Very good ISK/hour, and I find quite a few decent C3s when I'm hunting for the rated complexes.
Although I don't run the WHs very much during peak times, and I'm paranoid with directional. Just remember to get the hell out if you see anything on scan, salvaging that last site isn't worth losing a T3 over :D
I also use a t3 as a salvager/hacker/codebreaker nowadays, but I used to use a destroyer and there isn't much difference. It's easier to scan out multiple systems at once with two T3s though, and it's nice not swapping ships, so it's definitely something I'd advise aiming for. |

Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.25 09:44:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote: Buy a load of salvaging destroyers, leave them scattered around the low sec near you. If you find a decent c3 with loads of anoms, mags, radars etc. then run it.
What a great idea. I never would have considered running some wh's at the same time.
Cheers and Merry Christmas (e.g. Happy Seasons Greetings) to all. Sam |

veshna wildsun
AQUILA INC
5
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Posted - 2011.12.26 00:59:00 -
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I do mostly low sec exploration using two screens. I fly a Tengu that can solo damn near anything and my alt typically flies a buzzard. I run the sites in the Tengu and have my alt sit at the gate cloaked so i can see if someone is warping in on me. Two screens really makes it golden. |
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