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bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:02:00 - [1] Edited by: bulabuba on 06/03/2007 14:00:50 LV is all but done, and I'll boldly predict here that the outcome for BoB is a foregone conclusion. I think everyone knows that. Now the question is what will Eve look like after "The Alamo" falls? I have a prediction: Yep. I think 0.0 is about to enter "dark age" of sorts with powerful "hordes" of old-school, highly experienced players living out of NPC regions and raping, pillaging, and plundering everything in sight. Syndicate and Outer Ring in the North, and Stain in the south are long known to be pretty much unconquerable. They're about to have some very formidable residents with nothing to lose and everything to gain, I think. It's going to be an era in Eve when it's a bad time to be a builder or a holder of space, and a great time to be a marauder and a taker of things that other people try to build. I think this will be true for a couple of reasons: 1. If I was LV and/or BoB right now, I'd feel pretty burned by the state of the POS Sovereignty game, and the fact that lag and node crashes allow huge numbers to trump what ought to be the the most powerful fleets in the game. I would not be a bit suprised if they adopted a "you fuel the POSes, we'll just take what we want and leave the rest" attitude until sovereignty mechanics and the performance of the servers improves. 2. Taking space is not the same as holding space. Will Goons still log in when they aren't PvPing on borrowed money anymore, and actually have to earn isk and build something in their new space? I think it's doubtful. I also think it's doubtful that they'll attract and keep many industrialist residents and renters. It'll simply be too dangerous a proposition to live in their space. So, if you're a planful sort, I'd suggest you plan for a "dark age" in Eve that'll last until the game mechanics and performance improve enough that the soon-to-be marauders decide that holding space is an attractive proposition again. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:04:00 - [2] Originally by: bulabuba 1. If I was LV and/or BoB right now, I'd feel pretty burned by the state of the POS Sovereignty game, and the fact that lag and node crashes allow huge numbers to trump what ought to be the the most powerful fleets in the game. I would not be a bit suprised if they adopted a "you fuel the POSes, we'll just take what we want and leave the rest" attitude. Until sovereignty mechanics and the performance of the servers improve. you forget that they used the tactics before everyone else did, in the ASCN war, and the RA war.
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Jin Steele you forget that they used the tactics before everyone else did, in the ASCN war, and the RA war. Nodes were certainly never intentionally crashed in the RA war. At that time crashed node = no fight or it put your capitals in danger, this was when there were fewer capitals and the capitals also had less HP. As for ASCN, I cannot comment as I was not involved. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Humongo Spectrum Solutions INC Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:10:00 - [4] Ridiculously premature. Insert something clever/funny here
Nizomi Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:13:00 - [5] Well you obviously do not know BOB very well at all do you. /me quietly chuckles at the people saying BOB are done for.
Shyalud Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:27:00 - [6] Originally by: bulabuba Edited by: bulabuba on 06/03/2007 14:00:50 LV is all but done, and I'll boldly predict here that the outcome for BoB is a foregone conclusion. I think everyone knows that. Now the question is what will Eve look like after "The Alamo" falls? I have a prediction: LV is far from Done and underestimating BoB is always a dumb idea. Quote: The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:31:00 - [7] Edited by: Xeliya on 06/03/2007 14:28:13 The war is far from over and trust me, BoB have a nice home town advantage and LV can attack where they please not having to worry about their space. Also the D2 Titan is back home in the north ----------
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:34:00 - [8] Edited by: R''adeh on 06/03/2007 14:30:41 Your post is a bit early. LV's hanging around AZN atm (at least some of them), and BoB will continue fighting till the 1st of June. After that EVE will be a happy place with people picking flowers and baking their own cookies... _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:40:00 - [9] Originally by: bulabuba LV is all but done, and I'll boldly predict here that the outcome for BoB is a foregone conclusion. The easy indicator of these is when you start to hear which of the coalition will be the first to backstab the others.. Until I start hearing these, i think the end is far from coming.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:43:00 - [10] Hello Bulabuba, A bit premature to my personal taste, but I guess all predictions are that . I am very curious about that Free Trade Zone idea and I think Goonswarm is doing right into getting more ppl into their 0.0. Offering Tradelane protection and Goonwarm escorted Convoys to and from Empire can really make their space into a thriving community and perhaps earn them back some ISK that this war is costing them. Afterall, a world is as dark as the brightest people that walk in them. I consider the people that thought up the Free Trade Zone idea as pretty bright ... join us today!
Frankinator Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:50:00 - [11] nubje
Serapis Aote Minmatar TBC Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:53:00 - [12] BOB dead as a foregone conclusion is a bit premature. The War will be won or lost in Delve. There are a lot of pos's to take down, a lot of space to conquer, alot of area to control. Its going to be a long fight...and hopefully a fun one for all involved. A lot of people are already having tons of fun. If the nodes can hold, the battle for delve should be real fun. Who cares what comes next, if you are having fun playing the game. I would like to take this time to thank all the alliances for deciding that going nuts and having a full all out eve war was a good idea. Really i think i may just only play eve in the winter from now on.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:04:00 - [13] i don't think crashing nodes will help goons protect industrialists from raiding parties.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:07:00 - [14] Something about a fat lady, singing... Don't underestimate them, keep your feet on the ground and they'll fall eventually.
TJ17 Gallente DaRk MaTtEr INC. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:18:00 - [15] when the war in the south is over all the rapetrain will not be naped and they will attack each other i see ragoon taking over kos space in terenifis and so on also if BoB falls who wil claim the alamo lets say the north and south are fighting bob and friends at the alamo for there last stand who will claim the station?
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:29:00 - [16] Where do we go from here? McDonalds ofc. - http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0612/Jameswsig.jpg WeComeInPeace Video Please keep your signature below the 24000 bytes limit.- Thx Pirlouit
Smartacus The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:59:00 - [17] NOL ?
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:04:00 - [18] Edited by: Victor Vision on 06/03/2007 16:04:23 Originally by: bulabuba Edited by: bulabuba on 06/03/2007 14:00:50LV is all but done, and I'll boldly predict here that the outcome for BoB is a foregone conclusion... BoB is not to be underestimated. They are defeated when they are defeated and not a second earlier. Despite recent successes, the Coalition knows that the fight is far from over. Originally by: bulabuba Syndicate and Outer Ring in the North, and Stain in the south are long known to be pretty much unconquerable. They're about to have some very formidable residents with nothing to lose and everything to gain, I think. These regions have inhabitants already, most have a lot of PvP experience, especially in guerilla style warfare. Some of these inhabitants also have good connections to larger alliances from other regions. Newcomers to these regions are often greeted with a gun pointed at their face, with the trigger being pulled only seconds after. Originally by: bulabuba I ... think it's doubtful that they (Goons) will attract and keep many industrialist residents and renters. It'll simply be too dangerous a proposition to live in their space. Even in the most dangerous regions of new eden, space is rented out to industrialists and mission/complex runners. Also currently most of The Coalition controlled space is reasonably safe. EVE War I - Quick Overview
Marcellus Corteaz Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:10:00 - [19] I dont think the fall of bob is a forgone conclusion and even if the coalition manages to take all their stations there will be a lot of fighting to get them back... this is insanely premature as someone said
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:16:00 - [20] P R E M A T U R E Its not over till Blacklight sings a duet with Molle in NOL, until then, the fight continues. And it WILL go one and on and on. I dont expect ANYONE to give up any time soon, especially the major players. Black Lance Brother
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:19:00 - [21] Guys, predictions about the future are by definition premature. If they weren't premature, they'd be commentary about current events, not predictions about future events. Sure, you can conjure up any number of ways that BoB is going to be able to prevail over... lets see... just about everybody else. This post is about one version of the future, and the one that I happen to think is most likely. No more, no less. P.S.: Whoever it was that posted that link to PoTBS, wow, those have to be the crappiest graphics I've seen in any new MMO currently in development. I wouldn't even compare them favorably to the original Everquest, which is now what? Eight years old? What's even scarier is that promo screen shots are usually taken with settings that you couldn't actually play the game with. I hope they improve a lot before launch. ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:25:00 - [22] Well, you could always rat in belts in 100+ men blob. Kill all the rats in belt I-1, then gang warp to belt II-1 and so on... each ratting ship could get equal piece of the cake 15k isk or whatever.. That way you could avoid all the belt gankers.
hinch Gallente Furious Angels	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Victor Vision Even in the most dangerous regions of new eden, space is rented out to industrialists and mission/complex runners. Also currently most of The Coalition controlled space is reasonably safe, compared to other regions in EVE. and also very undefended atm. I made it all the way to a hydra outpost last night unchallenged at the request of a friend for a small wager. managed to take out a few ratter and such before they finally got me. Furious Angels are recruiting Furious Angels
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:30:00 - [24] LV lost lots of space, outposts and shipyards. But they are not dead (yet). And BoB is far from being dead. They are fighting and haven't really lost space or stations. So I think your premises are wrong, but let's assume that you were right and LV would be dead and BoB gone. Then what? RA/Goons will have their empire at the east/south. D2 and the north will go back to their homes. That leaves lots of free space in the south, southwest. There are lots of high end complexes in BoB space (surpise!) and so it is a valuable area. I think the local powers will fight over it. Maybe IAC will try to gain an hold onto it. But I can't see any 'dark age' for 0.0 anywhere near at all. Actually lots of smaller alliances would have the chance to expand, a new gold rush might come!
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:38:00 - [25] bob have to many NPC station around there space. they will just hind in there until people get bored and go home. doesn't matter if you take down all there POS's there is just to many NPC station for them to live in.
Tarace CEO Caldari ME15	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Gnulpie LV lost lots of space, outposts and shipyards. But they are not dead (yet). And BoB is far from being dead. They are fighting and haven't really lost space or stations. So I think your premises are wrong, but let's assume that you were right and LV would be dead and BoB gone. Then what? RA/Goons will have their empire at the east/south. D2 and the north will go back to their homes. That leaves lots of free space in the south, southwest. There are lots of high end complexes in BoB space (surpise!) and so it is a valuable area. I think the local powers will fight over it. Maybe IAC will try to gain an hold onto it. But I can't see any 'dark age' for 0.0 anywhere near at all. Actually lots of smaller alliances would have the chance to expand, a new gold rush might come! It's worst. Nothing can prevent bob(d) from roaming, disrupting and killing where they want to. You can take all their space, but being full of hardcore pvpers, I doubt they will just go in empire and split like that... Coalition can win vs bob but, win what ? Maybe what I say is as premature as the OP is
Tarace CEO Caldari ME15	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Dragerest bob have to many NPC station around there space. they will just hind in there until people get bored and go home. doesn't matter if you take down all there POS's there is just to many NPC station for them to live in. Or maybe they will go north and get you out from there There is a lot of possibilites and only bob leadership know witch options they have/select. Anyways, GL to all and have a great fun. /Tarace Out
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:43:00 - [28] Originally by: bulabuba Edited by: bulabuba on 06/03/2007 14:00:50 LV is all but done, and I'll boldly predict here that the outcome for BoB is a foregone conclusion. I think everyone knows that. Now the question is what will Eve look like after "The Alamo" falls? I have a prediction: null
Lobo13 Gallente Beyond-Redemption Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:53:00 - [29] Originally by: R'adeh Edited by: R''adeh on 06/03/2007 14:30:41 Your post is a bit early. LV's hanging around AZN atm (at least some of them), and BoB will continue fighting till the 1st of June. After that EVE will be a happy place with people picking flowers and baking their own cookies... I like cookies! \o/ and more pew pew. Not neccasarly in that order. Lobo13. Beyond-Redemption is recruiting
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Troubadour i don't think crashing nodes will help goons protect industrialists from raiding parties. As a fanboi of the biggest node crashers in the game this is just

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