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Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:28:00 - [1] Originally by: Count TaSessine we are going public with the alliance im sorry if i'm a royal pain in the a$$, but with an eleven-digit amount of money entrusted to total strangers, i tend to nibble a bit more fingernail each day. i'm trying my best to gather up info all over this place, the ISS place and ingame blahblah - a lot. still... i've lost count of the losses; in the best of cases, one can find a tiny bit of detail buried in a thread about former IPOs. Since the cute PDF, official statements as to the situation of the ISSO had to be extracted with these kinds of posts, so here i go again =) Originally by: Count TaSessine [...]The goals of this initiative are: - Create wealth to the shareholders, ISS owners, by taking advantage of the economies and logistics of scale accessible only by an entity of the size and narrow focus of ISS - Reinforce the commercial success of the existing 6 public ISS outposts. - Continue to cultivate and bring capitalism to the frontier by building more public outposts in under utilised areas of space[...] basically all of these axioms have been thrown overboard: outposts were passed - of those 6 (+2), how many "hubs" are left and how far are the remaining channels of commerce able to compensate? the cultivation project has been declared halted the day the first outposts were sacked, officially announced in a shareholder meeting. the "narrow focus" always implied a specialization on no-sec trade - or so i interpreted. with ISS getting involved in the, uhhhhh, "world war T2", i'm confused as ever as to what the grand scheme actually is. apart from that, I, as owner of (parts of) ISS, am interested in its assets, the money pool and/or how much had to be diverted from private belongings to balance it (after "buying" out former IPOs, for example), the calculation of dividends (currently better known as interest), the number of players working for "us" - and anything else resembling a venture gone public (a lil more than just working this made-up-in-5-minutes-list, and a little less vague fillers like "we have a large amount of"). the non-existant transparancy could be lifted, now that ISS is out of the war game. ...plz? nibble on a sidenote; any plans to pick up this promise again: Originally by: Serenity Steele What sort of reporting will be made public on a regular basis? Monthly reporting on the Key Performance Indicators required to manage the ISSO. Total profitability, Dividend Amounts, Total Stock, Current division of capital by Activity. i believe the latest stock market tendancies can be reversed that way; those shares that were sold for 5mil last week were hopefully just result of a desperate measure
Ionia Advanced Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:46:00 - [2] What are the details of the share trade agreements? If the shares in the now completely worthless Outpost corporations were simply 'bought' by ISSO as a means to compensate shareholders of the former that lost their isk to a bad investment, that means that 'real' ISSO shareholders are having their equity in the corporation diluted by those worthless shares. Is this what is going on? When ISS announced a compensation plan (which they didnt and perhaps shouldnt have done) I thought that meant that people at ISS would be compensating the shareholders for the failure of their past efforts, not that the (then future) shareholders would be paying for the parachute of the shareholders in the failed investment.
Serena Hennessy Orodruin Galactic Planetary Corp. Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:02:00 - [3] Sit tight, traders. Many people are working very hard to ensure that your investment generates a good return. There will be a public statement in the fullness of time.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Serena Hennessy Sit tight, traders. Many people are working very hard to ensure that your investment generates a good return. There will be a public statement in the fullness of time. I hope you're not an official spokeperson, because that has to be just about the most condescending statement I've read on these boards in a while. MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:06:00 - [5] One thing I've been curious about with ISSO boils down to the following: 1. 270b of ISSO shares are in circulation, roughly. 2. About 90b of these were given out for free in various agreements. Most of these are not public. 3. Another few tens of billions were given out for free in the liquidation settlements. This means that ISSO's actual assets are about half of the 270b; meaning that a 5% dividend is actually 10%. And since ISSO has no stations now, a good portion of their business plan is gone. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Mark Weston Caldari The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:46:00 - [6] Originally by: Ionia What are the details of the share trade agreements? If the shares in the now completely worthless Outpost corporations were simply 'bought' by ISSO as a means to compensate shareholders of the former that lost their isk to a bad investment, that means that 'real' ISSO shareholders are having their equity in the corporation diluted by those worthless shares. Is this what is going on? No it's not. ISS answered this at the shareholders' meeting and again since on this forum. ISS expect the Outpost company compensation scheme to cost around 30-35bn in ISSO shares, and are paying for this through the sale of various alliance (i.e not shareholder) assets including a mothership and a pile of POS gear. In other words the alliance is buying 30bn of ISSO shares and then handing them out as compensation to shareholders in the outpost companies. I agree with the OP though that the ISSO forum presence needs to be a bit more high-profile during the current upheaval. Not that I think there's any more risk of a scam, but I would like to feel that my money is being actively managed and that someone somewhere is working hard at raising that dividend rate above 5% eventually. New to EVE? Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:13:00 - [7] Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 07/03/2007 23:13:53 there is the iss with all their stuff and then there's the things they do with the isso pot. noone knows what exactly, but the financial guy indeed mentioned that a mothership could get sold if somewhere along the line of outpost IPO conversions, the pot doesnt add up to (eventually) 500bil. basically, ISS bought out the outposts to use them as tools for making our pot grow (errr). however, the silverware was only to be touched in case the pot/tradegoods don't add up - so if nothing was sold, those outposts they're giving away recently belong to the shareholders. although it's again a matter of definition, i guess; i believe the only thing about these outposts really being part of ISSO is the goods baskets in them. one way or the other, market activity was regarded the first step of the undertaking. if there's no progress and even hubs are lost, it's kinda hard to believe in any bigger dividend within the next 3 months and will have an influence on our further investment behaviour. if i'm looking at 20 months of fingernail nibbeling before i can be sure and i have all my money back, i'd rather try my luck with the hammerhead II BPO auction over in the sales forum hence all these questions - what belongs where? what has been shoved around between ISS and the ISSO? and what is this "what", anyway? those tenerifis refineries is the only hard info we have. reminde me, how much of the budget has been passed along as loans, yet? indeed, no mass hysteria intended. just a closer look at the biggest IPO in gaming history ^^
Thetis Caldari NewDawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Mark Weston ISS answered this at the shareholders' meeting and again since on this forum. ISS expect the Outpost company compensation scheme to cost around 30-35bn in ISSO shares, and are paying for this through the sale of various alliance (i.e not shareholder) assets including a mothership and a pile of POS gear. In other words the alliance is buying 30bn of ISSO shares and then handing them out as compensation to shareholders in the outpost companies. I agree with the OP though that the ISSO forum presence needs to be a bit more high-profile during the current upheaval. Not that I think there's any more risk of a scam, but I would like to feel that my money is being actively managed and that someone somewhere is working hard at raising that dividend rate above 5% eventually. The highligted statement above; directly contravenes: Originally by: Count TaSessine We are selling shares in ISS itself - we are going public with the alliance. So, did we all buy shares in ISS, Including all its Assets... or did we give them a pot of 250bn+ to manage as seen fit? Im afraid my confidence in ISSO, while resolute through the loss of the outposts, is starting to wane now, simply due to lack of information/clarity available.
Mark Weston Caldari The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.03.08 02:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Mark Weston on 08/03/2007 02:35:04 Originally by: Thetis So, did we all buy shares in ISS, Including all its Assets... or did we give them a pot of 250bn+ to manage as seen fit? Im afraid my confidence in ISSO, while resolute through the loss of the outposts, is starting to wane now, simply due to lack of information/clarity available. It's an interesting question, and I do remember finding it strangely difficult phrasing my previous post to distinguish between the "two" ISSs - the one we bought shares in and the player-run alliance. I think in the end you have to treat that statement by Count T as a bit of hyperbole. After all in game mechanics terms we didn't buy shares in an alliance; we bought shares in a corporation called ISSO. What's more, it would be completely unreasonable to expect that ISS alliance assets accumulated through the work of its members would suddenly become shareholder property. (Not unreasonable by analogy to RL IPOs, but in the expectation that other players would just hand over stuff they'd earned in game). What's more, I clearly remember ISS pointing out that what we were buying were analogous to non-voting shares in ISS - it was never intended that shareholders could expect to influence or control alliance actions. What we can reasonably expect is that ISSO management maintains a clear dividing line between shareholders' money raised through the IPO and ISS alliance players' money and assets earned elsewhere in game. And some transparency (e.g the regular and detailed reporting we were promised) would be quite nice too. New to EVE? Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Mark Weston Caldari The Graduates Ivy League	Posted - 2007.03.08 02:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Roemy Schneider ...basically, ISS bought out the outposts to use them as tools for making our pot grow (errr). however, the silverware was only to be touched in case the pot/tradegoods don't add up - so if nothing was sold, those outposts they're giving away recently belong to the shareholders... ...hence all these questions - what belongs where? what has been shoved around between ISS and the ISSO? and what is this "what", anyway? those tenerifis refineries is the only hard info we have. I don't think any of the ISS outposts were "bought" by ISSO - they remained the property of the outpost corporations (or in the case of the Tenerifis refineries they were the property of LV and managed by ISS). New to EVE? Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.08 03:25:00 - [11] well.. those outpost IPOs have been traded in (or... in the process of). ISSO shares are given out and it even says Originally by: Serenity Steele The basis of this offer is: The ISSCA becomes the property of ISSO shareholders. in other cases, foreign buyers have been found - if just for the outpost or the goods basket is included? no idea. fact is, that sale's money has been passed on as dividend to the ole' IPO, then "half" of the outpost was paid for with ISSO shares. outpost gone, ISSO pool stretched. on the tenerifis... thingies...: they're mentioned in the PDF on page 3 - says we're part owners confused now but yeah, that's exactly, why we could do with more insight
Count TaSessine ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.08 10:39:00 - [12] Hi guys Yes, you're right, ISSO focus changed with the loss of the public outposts. Instead of boosting those markets to earn ISK, we have turned attention towards more traditional investment schemes, loans and trading to ensure the ROI. We have not given up on the 0.0 development, but it will crystallize in the Caravan Fleets now, They're pretty cool, RP'ish, and very complex, logistically :-) We're putting shopping baskets on various alliance 0.0 markets (which can support a reasonable turnover) and thus we have exchanged focus from supporting the ISS station markets to supporting 0.0 markets in general. Reporting: yes, we owe you more consistent reporting. I'm not making excuses, but Serenity has been pretty busy RL. We're working on shifting responsability around, so that these things will be taken care off in a timely manner in the future. The share exchange program and the implications for the ISSO portfolio has been intensively covered elsewhere. Chairman, ISS
Thetis Caldari NewDawn	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Count TaSessine The share exchange program and the implications for the ISSO portfolio has been intensively covered elsewhere. Can you reference this? I think I missed it.
Wolfgang Jager Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:54:00 - [14] The share exchange program needs either an extension or new/more people devoted to it. I have been online extensively for the last three days and your exchange agent has not appeared once or replied to emails. Either publish specific dates and hours or something, your present system is simply broken.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.08 22:10:00 - [15] Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 08/03/2007 22:08:54 Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Serena Hennessy Sit tight, traders. Many people are working very hard to ensure that your investment generates a good return. There will be a public statement in the fullness of time. I hope you're not an official spokeperson, because that has to be just about the most condescending statement I've read on these boards in a while. MP We get that you have a beef with ISS, but there wasn't anything condescending about that at all. I hope you aren't an official spokesperson yourself, because your condescending, aggressive, and arrogant style is very off-putting. ISS does need to do a better job with updates here, and the exchange program needs to be revisited. The deadline is simply silly, especially considering Serenity's lack of availability. I realize there are things outside the game, but then the policy has to be changed. Why not just set up buy orders in EGSE or something?
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.09 03:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Thetis Originally by: Count TaSessine The share exchange program and the implications for the ISSO portfolio has been intensively covered elsewhere. Can you reference this? I think I missed it. aye... it's these kinds of vague (lazy?) expressions that don't help to improve confidence in the IPO... i believe he's talking about the shareholder meeting from mid january. if i may filter out the applying parts: Originally by: Serenity Steele Our plan is to offer a fixed exchange rate of ISSO shares for each of ISSBO, ISSCA and ISSMO. On the understanding that, should the stations be re-captured, they will be property of the ISSO, not the individual outpost corporations. no recapturing - on the contrary... anyway: Originally by: Serenity Steele The ISSO ROI is boosted by ownership of 2 private stations owned by the ISSO, which should be sufficient to cover the 'dilution'. In effect we are going to mortgage those stations agains the exchange were those the ones surrendered/lost to KOS? Originally by: Yunnf Does/would an initial funding shortfall impact income success, and how?. Originally by: Serenity Steele It could if the total isk pool is smaller. We're going to sell some of our non-income earning assets to offset the cash. Namely a mothership. according to the ISSO-PDF and the individual IPO sites, these investments piled up to 208bil: 70.5bil (marginisx2) - 4:1 - 17.625bil 34bil (borealis) - 4:1 - 8.5bil 70bil (providence) - 6:1 - 11.667bil 34bil (cassini) - 6:1 - 5.667bil shares worth 43.458 billion isk are in the process of being traded in. a mothership is worth ~16bil in current empire mineral prices. therefore: Originally by: serenity Steele We will be effectively 'buying' the shares off the people, by injecting cash ourselves. It won't effect ISSO shareholder profitability. The exchange rate was chosen to match the funds we have to inject. at which point i am back at a previously mentioned point: how much has been "injected" thus far and who/what could do that ? and that's where i disagree with the situation having been "intensely covered". look, i'm just trying to determine, how soon i might expect something bigger than 5%. the budget split on page 7 of the PDF prognosticated a total of 36.75bil against the total 500bil investment, but except for the loans, there's nothing traceable left. i've gone through all kinds of sources just to pile up these posts. still, i'm aware i probably missed a lot. but there's only so much digging one can do. but you want (more of) our money so here i am; convince me to invest by giving me info
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.09 04:25:00 - [17] Edited by: Motivated Prophet on 09/03/2007 04:21:51 Fixed quoting errors Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 08/03/2007 22:08:54 Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Serena Hennessy Sit tight, traders. Many people are working very hard to ensure that your investment generates a good return. There will be a public statement in the fullness of time. I hope you're not an official spokeperson, because that has to be just about the most condescending statement I've read on these boards in a while. MP We get that you have a beef with ISS, but there wasn't anything condescending about that at all. I hope you aren't an official spokesperson yourself, because your condescending, aggressive, and arrogant style is very off-putting. My opinion on both those points differs extensively from yours. I speak officially for myself. Neither of my companies has the slightest interest in ISSO, other than perhaps as a seemingly-inept competitor in the 0.0-supply market against Zerodot, and as a towering example of a mismanaged IPO that has sucked money and trust out of investors that might otherwise have been interested in Tinydot. MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
Thews Mortaza Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.03.09 12:34:00 - [18] Edited by: Thews Mortaza on 09/03/2007 12:32:00 Originally by: Motivated Prophet One unit of ... So I suppose Johnny should have said "pishy", then. (Sig) Your momma so fat ... when I tried to scoop her to my cargo hold, she don't fit !
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.09 14:35:00 - [19] Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 09/03/2007 14:33:26 Originally by: Motivated Prophet Edited by: Motivated Prophet on 09/03/2007 04:21:51 Fixed quoting errors Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 08/03/2007 22:08:54 Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Serena Hennessy Sit tight, traders. Many people are working very hard to ensure that your investment generates a good return. There will be a public statement in the fullness of time. I hope you're not an official spokeperson, because that has to be just about the most condescending statement I've read on these boards in a while. MP We get that you have a beef with ISS, but there wasn't anything condescending about that at all. I hope you aren't an official spokesperson yourself, because your condescending, aggressive, and arrogant style is very off-putting. My opinion on both those points differs extensively from yours. I speak officially for myself. Neither of my companies has the slightest interest in ISSO, other than perhaps as a seemingly-inept competitor in the 0.0-supply market against Zerodot, and as a towering example of a mismanaged IPO that has sucked money and trust out of investors that might otherwise have been interested in Tinydot. MP Perhaps this isn't the place for this discussion, but frankly, you aren't a pimple on ISS's *****. They've been returning trillions of isk to investors for 18 months, since before your character even appeared (your chars are what? 4 months old?), much less developed anything commercially interesting. For that matter, I think it's 50/50 your business is a scam. When you've paid dues and performed over time like they have, then maybe you can talk trash. Until then, you're just yet another new-comer with a lot of big dreams.
VScorpion Gallente ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.09 17:31:00 - [20] I am a shareholder. I got shares of ISSO and PC. And both have been giving me nice profits so far. end of story VScorpion reactivated
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.09 18:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee ...When you've paid dues and performed over time like they have, then maybe you can talk trash.... Total RoI of ISSPO relative to IPO price: 10% over six months. Total RoI of ISSCA relative to IPO price: 11% over six months. Total RoI of ZERO. relative to IPO price: 18% over three months. (Two, really, the first one barely counted.) Next! MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.09 18:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Johnny ReeRee ...When you've paid dues and performed over time like they have, then maybe you can talk trash.... Total RoI of ISSPO relative to IPO price: 10% over six months. Total RoI of ISSCA relative to IPO price: 11% over six months. Total RoI of ZERO. relative to IPO price: 18% over three months. (Two, really, the first one barely counted.) Next! MP zomg! 3 whole months! Get back to me in a year. Assuming you haven't cashed in your scam by then.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.09 18:59:00 - [23] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/03/2007 18:57:11 Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Johnny ReeRee ...When you've paid dues and performed over time like they have, then maybe you can talk trash.... Total RoI of ISSPO relative to IPO price: 10% over six months. Total RoI of ISSCA relative to IPO price: 11% over six months. Total RoI of ZERO. relative to IPO price: 18% over three months. (Two, really, the first one barely counted.) Next! MP zomg! 3 whole months! Get back to me in a year. Assuming you haven't cashed in your scam by then. He's saying that in three months, he's outpaid basically all of the ISS outpost corporations. Which isn't hard, considering how crappily they paid out. ISS has not paid out "trillions" to shareholders. Honestly, in simple terms, their return has historically been crap with the notable exception of Marginis. ISSO's return is probably eating up its assets as they dividend their assets to meet their charter's 5% profit requirement. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.09 19:10:00 - [24] could you two really move along...? tries to look cute oh and VScorpion, sure; if 20 months RoI is good enough for you, be my guest (unless you got some ISS insider discount) as i said, i'm not trying to smack ISSO down. i'd just like a solid plan from which i can derive my own extrapolations. the old plan (pdf) allowed optimism beyond 7%. now, there's simply nothing left of that plan and we seem to be stuck with a 5%-loan. if that's all you aim for, declare it as such and all parties know what they can expect
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.09 19:20:00 - [25] I want to make sure I understand this. If you give me $1, and I give you $0.02 per month for six months and then stop paying, that's not a scam, despite you giving me $1 and only getting back $0.12. If you give me $1, and I give you $0.09 per month for two months, and even before taking into account the fact that I'm not stopping operations, you've made 50% more than your alter ego in the paragraph above, this one is clearly a scam? If scams are defined solely by the longevity of payouts rather than the actual rate of return, I'd be happy to offer 0.0001% RoI/month, guaranteed in perpetutity a la FIN. Please send isk, operators are standing by. MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.09 21:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Originally by: Motivated Prophet Originally by: Johnny ReeRee ...When you've paid dues and performed over time like they have, then maybe you can talk trash.... Total RoI of ISSPO relative to IPO price: 10% over six months. Total RoI of ISSCA relative to IPO price: 11% over six months. Total RoI of ZERO. relative to IPO price: 18% over three months. (Two, really, the first one barely counted.) Next! MP zomg! 3 whole months! Get back to me in a year. Assuming you haven't cashed in your scam by then.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.09 22:49:00 - [27] c'mon folks, take your tiny hassle to a convo, otherwise tasessine will post some vague brush-with-a-hand again and it'll go down in the waves of smack posts, too... contrary to what my posts look like, i am interested in ISSO - just far from decided to throw in more billions. if you've made up your mind not to, open a smack thread on your own plz
SencneS Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 23:06:00 - [28] I don't know if any of you noticed but ISS recently purchased 2 outposts directly off Caldari space in Geminate. SMASH alliance noticed this a week ago only because this part of space is close to home. They purchase the outposts from Cruel Intentions. It's a Gallente and Minmatar outpost right next door to each other. These two outposts kinda have it good because it's directly next to empire space in a system with a good number of Outposts and 2 jumps off high sec. Don't take this the wrong way ISS. I like the chances of ISS simply because they can park either expensive fleets in high or low sec empire space, so they can run back to empire very quickly if needed. Those systems are off a main pipe to Geminate and surrounding areas which means a lot of though traffic. Being that close to empire you'll most likely get newbie corps that want a taste of 0.0 can go out and have a look. To be honest I was a couple of month away from selling out my shares but, knowing the area they are in, and the state of Geminate and relatively low risk I am keeping my shares. ---------------------------------- Send ISK to SencneS for good Kama!
Ezoran DuBlaidd Minmatar Rivers Enterprises Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.03.09 23:43:00 - [29] Originally by: SencneS I don't know if any of you noticed but ISS recently purchased 2 outposts directly off Caldari space in Geminate. SMASH alliance noticed this a week ago only because this part of space is close to home. They purchase the outposts from Cruel Intentions. It's a Gallente and Minmatar outpost right next door to each other. These two outposts kinda have it good because it's directly next to empire space in a system with a good number of Outposts and 2 jumps off high sec. Don't take this the wrong way ISS. I like the chances of ISS simply because they can park either expensive fleets in high or low sec empire space, so they can run back to empire very quickly if needed. Those systems are off a main pipe to Geminate and surrounding areas which means a lot of though traffic. Being that close to empire you'll most likely get newbie corps that want a taste of 0.0 can go out and have a look. To be honest I was a couple of month away from selling out my shares but, knowing the area they are in, and the state of Geminate and relatively low risk I am keeping my shares. odd that we're hearing this from someone in SMASH Alliance and not from ISS folk. nothing against the person quoted. just odd that an alliance/corp which has serious investor doubts at this time (iss), is not being more upfront with what they're doing, especially if it's something that's easily seen to the viewing public. of course, i haven't checked on the validity of the above statement and it could all be false, just thrown there to confuse folks.
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.10 06:03:00 - [30] The current ISSO plan is to slowly fade from view and during this time create a good escape plan to run away with all your billions laughing at the fact you were dumb enough to give such a corrupt organization your isk. Manlove by Zaphod Jones

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