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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.07 09:57:00 -
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I am not exactly in knowledge about different alliances. Can someone introduce me to history of YouWhat and their connections with D2. As far as I know (from last thread about their war) they were part of old German alliance named G. They somehow feel betrayed/backstabbed by D2 and now they want revenge. Can you give me more details, please? Why they have chosen BoB side? What is the Iron role in this conflict (I think Iron was part of G too)?
Please avoid smackfest, I know you may have different point of view on those things. I want to know opinions from both sides of conflict if possible.
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Foopadoo
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Posted - 2007.03.07 09:58:00 -
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WildCard
Gallente SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:21:00 -
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Short overview
CE/STV are founding [G]ermanz IRON got a nice partner of em. BOB attacks Trust in EC-P8R. G and TRUST decided to merge (What a mess I forced that) The industrials of the new D2 took over leadership within D2, and things got annoying. The new D2 lead called several smaller corps within D2 worthless. STV decided to leave. Also FSP followed. The others was sacred about their Trust-Shop discount, so they are still in D2. Goons invaded XZH cuz Sov problems. At this time XZH was D2 sov so they defended it. BOB also engaged Goons and Goons left. D2 ordered RISE to move into XZH. From now XZH is in RISE hand. (STV has had it over 3 years, as STV , as G, as D2 ) Some RISE (mostly NORADS) are smacking me. Y and TOXIN pushed out RISE. Y took over again.(thx TOXIN) RISE fell apart. D2 trys to find a new allianz which will take over XZH with D2 support. (That not realy nice) Well they found none except goons of corse. D2 naps goons to fight BOB. (That s a absolute no no) D2 hires mercs to fight Y. What then happend you can read in the forum.
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mama guru
Gallente Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:24:00 -
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Thats the answer for you right there
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Wodan2
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:24:00 -
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Edited by: Wodan2 on 07/03/2007 10:20:57
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Wodanonline
Pringles Inc. YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:26:00 -
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after that... pew pew
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Sniperpirate
Minmatar Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: WildCard Short overview
CE/STV are founding [G]ermanz IRON got a nice partner of em. BOB attacks Trust in EC-P8R. G and TRUST decided to merge (What a mess I forced that) The industrials of the new D2 took over leadership within D2, and things got annoying. The new D2 lead called several smaller corps within D2 worthless. STV decided to leave. Also FSP followed. The others was sacred about their Trust-Shop discount, so they are still in D2. Goons invaded XZH cuz Sov problems. At this time XZH was D2 sov so they defended it. BOB also engaged Goons and Goons left. D2 ordered RISE to move into XZH. From now XZH is in RISE hand. (STV has had it over 3 years, as STV , as G, as D2 ) Some RISE (mostly NORADS) are smacking me. Y and TOXIN pushed out RISE. Y took over again.(thx TOXIN) RISE fell apart. D2 trys to find a new allianz which will take over XZH with D2 support. (That not realy nice) Well they found none except goons of corse. D2 naps goons to fight BOB. (That s a absolute no no) D2 hires mercs to fight Y. What then happend you can read in the forum.
thats quite interesting stuff...i remember u stv guys from xetic :) ---------------------
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McGin
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: WildCard Short overview
CE/STV are founding [G]ermanz IRON got a nice partner of em. BOB attacks Trust in EC-P8R. G and TRUST decided to merge (What a mess I forced that) The industrials of the new D2 took over leadership within D2, and things got annoying. The new D2 lead called several smaller corps within D2 worthless. STV decided to leave. Also FSP followed. The others was sacred about their Trust-Shop discount, so they are still in D2. Goons invaded XZH cuz Sov problems. At this time XZH was D2 sov so they defended it. BOB also engaged Goons and Goons left. D2 ordered RISE to move into XZH. From now XZH is in RISE hand. (STV has had it over 3 years, as STV , as G, as D2 ) Some RISE (mostly NORADS) are smacking me. Y and TOXIN pushed out RISE. Y took over again.(thx TOXIN) RISE fell apart. D2 trys to find a new allianz which will take over XZH with D2 support. (That not realy nice) Well they found none except goons of corse. D2 naps goons to fight BOB. (That s a absolute no no) D2 hires mercs to fight Y. What then happend you can read in the forum.
Well that's that summed up... lol
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Luna Liandri
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.07 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: WildCard --- G4Ever--
access violation in line 1. "G" is not allowed in this context.
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Probedrone
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Posted - 2007.03.07 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: WildCard Short overview
D2 ordered RISE to move into XZH. From now XZH is in RISE hand. (STV has had it over 3 years, as STV , as G, as D2 )
If i remember right you what was a mess in that time and if we had just given it to you, the goons would have been back right at the point we left XZH.
Originally by: WildCard
D2 trys to find a new allianz which will take over XZH with D2 support. (That not realy nice) Well they found none except goons of corse.
Not true, arent you a little bit paranoic?
Originally by: WildCard
D2 naps goons to fight BOB. (That s a absolute no no)
Like your absolute nono in napping Bob? Well nvm time changes.
Originally by: WildCard
D2 hires mercs to fight Y.
Not true also but hey.. i understand that you need a farce to cover yourself.
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Jancen Sykes
Amarr Die Apokalyptischen Reiter Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.07 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Probedrone
Originally by: WildCard Short overview
D2 ordered RISE to move into XZH. From now XZH is in RISE hand. (STV has had it over 3 years, as STV , as G, as D2 )
If i remember right you what was a mess in that time and if we had just given it to you, the goons would have been back right at the point we left XZH.
Originally by: WildCard
D2 trys to find a new allianz which will take over XZH with D2 support. (That not realy nice) Well they found none except goons of corse.
Not true, arent you a little bit paranoic?
Originally by: WildCard
D2 naps goons to fight BOB. (That s a absolute no no)
Like your absolute nono in napping Bob? Well nvm time changes.
Originally by: WildCard
D2 hires mercs to fight Y.
Not true also but hey.. i understand that you need a farce to cover yourself.
Damn my forumsettings owned me .
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Phoenix Pryde
Caldari Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.07 11:22:00 -
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since i m in forum whoring mood, lets correct some things
Originally by: WildCard Short overview
CE/STV are founding [G]ermanz IRON got a nice partner of em. BOB attacks Trust in EC-P8R. G and TRUST decided to merge (What a mess I forced that)
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The industrials of the new D2 took over leadership within D2, and things got annoying. The new D2 lead called several smaller corps within D2 worthless.
hhmm, the 5 HC leads were from ASW, CE, STV, OE and 3-I. Now if you really want to divide into industrialists and pvp'ers while i can tolerate being OE and 3-I called that. But the others, including STV, i think not .. looks to me like a fair ratio :P Nobody was called worthless. But consolidation into larger corps and activity was asked for and encouraged.
Quote: STV decided to leave. Also FSP followed. The others was sacred about their Trust-Shop discount, so they are still in D2.
*chuckles* you do realise that you still get discount, do you ? I also think the leaving had mostly to do with D2 deciding to leave CR once and for all behind. You didn't like that, which is just fair.
Quote: Goons invaded XZH cuz Sov problems. At this time XZH was D2 sov so they defended it. BOB also engaged Goons and Goons left.
Correct. Just as sidenote though. If you hadnt left in such a haste and just coordinated with us then Souv never would have been lost.
Quote: D2 ordered RISE to move into XZH. From now XZH is in RISE hand. (STV has had it over 3 years, as STV , as G, as D2 ) Some RISE (mostly NORADS) are smacking me.
I wasnt aware that D2 ever had any control over RISE. I think RISE knows better In any case, from what i remember, an i know it surprised me a lot back then, STV actually didnt wanted to stay around in CR anymore, to avoid the POS crap, and instead persue pvp somewhere (Syndicate? not sure). So there was a free region next door and i think D2 asked RISE if they were interested. Which they were, and then moved in.
Quote: Y and TOXIN pushed out RISE. Y took over again.(thx TOXIN) RISE fell apart.
Yup, and afaik D2 didnt lift a finger to interfere on any side. Which naturally both sides disliked in the end ... backfired i guess :P
Quote: D2 trys to find a new allianz which will take over XZH with D2 support. (That not realy nice) Well they found none except goons of corse. D2 naps goons to fight BOB. (That s a absolute no no) D2 hires mercs to fight Y. What then happend you can read in the forum.
As mentioned above. D2 afaik didnt support any side in the Y vs RISE match, and neither did oppose the settling of Y in CR again afterwards. You do remember that until yesterday Y and D2 were blue to each other and even on occasion are to be found at the same side on kills together Well, i can see how one can dislike that D2 decided to forget about past grudges with Goons for the time. If the pursuit of a common enemy is enough reason, i dont know. But its a fact i can live with. Politics always is a mess :P (thank god i am a merchant ;P) And D2 hired mercs ? Against friendlies ? Heh ... i think your imagination is going wild with you now =) I would like to think that if mercs are hired they are directed against enemies
That said. I guess its a shame that it has come to that. But then things dont always evolve like ppl think, and times change ...
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Elfaen Ethenwe
Eternal Rising EternalRising
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Posted - 2007.03.07 11:30:00 -
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If d2 had control of rise, why did they aproach Fla and iron for assistance when the goons attacked? sorry but your story's holding no water with me.
logoffski is bad mmmk?
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Kyria Timeyu
Pie Vendor
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Posted - 2007.03.07 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: El**** Ethenwe If d2 had control of rise, why did they aproach Fla and iron for assistance when the goons attacked? sorry but your story's holding no water with me.
Rise didn't exist yet when the goons attacked XZH. And NORAD (which later merged into Rise) was already pretty ****ed off at goons because they had attacked them in Outer Ring before.
I guess after the XZH war D2 was pretty annoyed at STV because they pretty much defended XZH on their own wallet under huge losses. I think D2 lost 11 dreads and Y only 4 (3 of them by WildCard ). And in the end Y showed no gratitude and instead stole the system from Rise who were paying off D2 for the right to use it.
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Obes
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Posted - 2007.03.07 13:01:00 -
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If any Alliance needs Eliminating , it seems like D2 id 1st choice
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Michayel Lyon
The Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.07 13:02:00 -
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Who are these mercs YouWhat keep mentioning? It seems YouWhat find it important enough to start a war over, but yet they haven't named the mercs...
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Shinoobie
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.07 13:36:00 -
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IRON's role in this conflict...
IRON were never part of G, but very very close to them, they were our brothers, and we would loose every last ship for one and other.
When STV split from G/D2 and formed YouWhat, we still considered ourselves close friends of both parties. We were aware of bad feelings between YouWhat and D2, but convos I held with Wildcard(-Y-) and Cmd Woodlouse(D2) before we started this conflict in the south reassured me that YW and D2 still would work to the same goal of killing BoB, despite their differences.
With -Y- and Chorus of Dawn turning the tables somewhat we have had to set them -ve. We really tried to stay positive to both sides because we hold both STV and CE with so much respect for what we accomplised under the G/IRON banner. This hasn't changed, only standings have changed due to the current EVE wide war that is upon us.
Wildcard and YouWhat, you know how much IRON respects you for all what was accomplished in the past. Was a very sad day for us to put a red -ve on you guys, but we need to focus on the true war here. D2 are fighting our enemy, our main goal, we only wished that you could have joined us like times of old.
Regards,
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.03.07 13:51:00 -
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I remember 1 really funny quote from a thread about the whole Y/D2/Goons discussion, was something along the lines of;
And d2 will leave youwhat saying "You What?!?"
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nico wurz250
The X-Trading Company Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.07 13:56:00 -
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Wildcard! Why do you do this? Your summary is your own and no answer to this question. - |
arjun
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.07 14:22:00 -
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phoenix pride writes the correct story here. we were so fecked up in xzh, that we even were near to giving up.
i again ask all those corps and individuals in youwhat to leave this leader which will drag you all down because of a personal grudge.
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Diego Cali
Caldari The Roots
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Posted - 2007.03.07 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: arjun phoenix pride writes the correct story here. we were so fecked up in xzh, that we even were near to giving up.
i again ask all those corps and individuals in youwhat to leave this leader which will drag you all down because of a personal grudge.
Atleast WildCard takes a proactive stance and leads his boys on the field.
Your alliance has done nothing but react to BoB's maneuvers. You're hiding behind goons to save you yet you still feel the need to smack down WildCard who acts knowing fullwell the consequences of his actions.
Don't be so bitter arjun, the angry german is strong in you. ------ Tech II (ammo) / Capital Ship (thanatos, archon, Revelation) Producer |
Darken Two
Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.03.07 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Diego Cali
Originally by: arjun phoenix pride writes the correct story here. we were so fecked up in xzh, that we even were near to giving up.
i again ask all those corps and individuals in youwhat to leave this leader which will drag you all down because of a personal grudge.
Atleast WildCard takes a proactive stance and leads his boys on the field.
Your alliance has done nothing but react to BoB's maneuvers. You're hiding behind goons to save you yet you still feel the need to smack down WildCard who acts knowing fullwell the consequences of his actions.
Don't be so bitter arjun, the angry german is strong in you.
OMG "The Roots", BoB alt corp is back I see. I remember this corp since the GNW when they were similarly smacking people on the forums on behalf of BoB.
Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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prathe
Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.07 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Diego Cali
Originally by: arjun phoenix pride writes the correct story here. we were so fecked up in xzh, that we even were near to giving up.
i again ask all those corps and individuals in youwhat to leave this leader which will drag you all down because of a personal grudge.
Atleast WildCard takes a proactive stance and leads his boys on the field.
Your alliance has done nothing but react to BoB's maneuvers. You're hiding behind goons to save you yet you still feel the need to smack down WildCard who acts knowing fullwell the consequences of his actions.
Don't be so bitter arjun, the angry german is strong in you.
lol
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Enthes goldhart
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.07 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: WildCard Short overview
D2 ordered RISE to move into XZH. From now XZH is in RISE hand. (STV has had it over 3 years, as STV , as G, as D2 ) Some RISE (mostly NORADS) are smacking me. Y and TOXIN pushed out RISE. Y took over again.(thx TOXIN) RISE fell apart.
RISE was backstabbed and we did not fall apart.....
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.07 15:48:00 -
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Sad to see the old G core actually helping bob in this.
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Frances Ducoir
Academy of Decadence
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Posted - 2007.03.07 15:58:00 -
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sad things happening.
i remember one funny action a while ago when d2 moved south. Y was going mad and gathered every single ship and player they had in their main system to defend. their leader did really think d2 was after Y. the leadership of Y SEEMS to be totaly paranoid and acting because of personal reasons (which will lead a whole alliance to dead).
its a shame that most of -Y- seem to swallow this and follow their paranoid leader who lies on these forums in every single post.
if youwhat just wanted some pew pew dont post crappy reasons which are just not true. BE HONEST FFS!
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mama guru
Gallente Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Frances Ducoir sad things happening.
i remember one funny action a while ago when d2 moved south. Y was going mad and gathered every single ship and player they had in their main system to defend. their leader did really think d2 was after Y. the leadership of Y SEEMS to be totaly paranoid and acting because of personal reasons (which will lead a whole alliance to dead).
its a shame that most of -Y- seem to swallow this and follow their paranoid leader who lies on these forums in every single post.
if youwhat just wanted some pew pew dont post crappy reasons which are just not true. BE HONEST FFS!
We were sold out when D2 offerd to sell CR to a third party(not the goons) if they helped them attack us. But they declined and told us about it and so the D2 armada went after ISS instead.
Get your facts straight, never trust a T.R.U.S.T member.
-YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE-
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mama guru
Gallente Friendship 7 Corporation YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: mama guru on 07/03/2007 16:04:14 EDIT: messed up posting
-YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE-
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Sahneschnitte
Amarr Isk Generatoren online
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:08:00 -
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This absoltly confirmed my personal thinking of u wild. In g times your lead stands still without a view for the future. U lost your old Position beeing something in eve.
u waked up.
And seeing the only way getting back is being a bob slave.
I hope d 2 brings u back to mining in empire.
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INZi
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:12:00 -
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Missunderstanding strikes EVE doing 15000 damage of Lousy Communication.
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