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Frances Ducoir Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:22:00 - [31] Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 07/03/2007 16:31:30 Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 07/03/2007 16:20:09 @mama this whole thing is a bit foul. -Y- wants to tell us their agression is in response of d2 sending mercs after them. d2 tells us the opposite: mercs where hired after getting intel that -Y- is going to support bob (probably even join them?). whos right now, who lies? i cant say for sure, but looking at the reason which is given for the wardec gainst d2 in the first thread about it, it seems a bit more likely that -Y- is the backstabber here. in conclusion the reason for wardeccing d2 seems more like an excuse for backstabbing. all i'am trying to say is: if -Y- just wants some action or is getting hired or promised something by BoB... just be honest about it and the rumors will stop. RISE was honest... they are a part of bob now (i dont like to call any pro-bob meatshield, pet, slave or whatever - its their own decission to fight for bob, pay rent for bob and to not appear on any alliance map as a own alliance. they are free of making this decission so they are no slaves or whatever). its not that bad to fight for bob but be honest about it and dont spin on the forums like "d2 wants to kill us so we wardecc them". i'am sure if you would have remained neutral d2 would have had no reason to remove you from CR... its just paranoia. i really dont care if d2 or bob win this war. it will make no big difference in the end (except the one, that if bob wins whole EvE 0.0 will pay rent to BoB, if D2 wins this wont occur). in general i think it would be better for eve if ALL of those mighty alliances would just disband and forge smaller ones because this will result in smaller battles and less lag.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:35:00 - [32] Edited by: Ishquar Teh''Sainte on 07/03/2007 16:33:14 Originally by: mama guru We were sold out when D2 offerd to sell CR to a third party(not the goons) if they helped them attack us. But they declined and told us about it and so the D2 armada went after ISS instead. Get your facts straight, never trust a T.R.U.S.T member. ahem .. a few questions though ... IF D¦ had planed on invading CR and -Y- got the info which would have caused D¦ to change their plans .. why did it take -Y- almost two month to react on a diplomatic level? who was the third party that got this "offer" by D¦? atm you explanation sounds like a big pile of paranoia. ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Frances Ducoir Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:46:00 - [33] Originally by: mama guru We were sold out when D2 offerd to sell CR to a third party(not the goons) if they helped them attack us. But they declined and told us about it and so the D2 armada went after ISS instead. Get your facts straight, never trust a T.R.U.S.T member. ok but did you ever consider the possibily that those third party you are talking of is payed by BoB for doing this and telling you D2 would have hired them for removing you from CR? this could be a nice BoB plot. and after all recent events i would say rather its a BoB plot than a D2 one. you are trusting blind a third party who convoes you and tells you "d2 wants us to remove you from cloud ring". you and d2 have some G history, so why should d2 remove you? bad logic. if molle reads this whole **** going on between -Y- and D2 he will be laughing his *ss off. Killing 2 enemies with one move. nice one molle ;)
Marvel Master Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:00:00 - [34] Edited by: Marvel Master on 07/03/2007 16:56:39 Originally by: WildCard Some RISE (mostly NORADS) are smacking me. Y and TOXIN pushed out RISE. Y took over again.(thx TOXIN) RISE fell apart. D2 trys to find a new allianz which will take over XZH with D2 support. (That not realy nice) Well they found none except goons of corse. D2 naps goons to fight BOB. (That s a absolute no no) D2 hires mercs to fight Y. What then happend you can read in the forum. ... Yes, the alliance Y mutated to a BoD Pet. Unbelievable Quote: -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody-- --- G4Ever-- You are not a G Member anymore. As a BoD Pet you are worthless and not allowed to bear a name from this shiny and brilliant alliance. G was the strongest entity in EVE and with BoD it exists a ballance inside the eve universe. Therefore: Best way is, you kill yourself.
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:08:00 - [35] Seems to me YouWhat has lost any and all ties it had to G/IRON. Bunch of new and inexperienced corps joined, I can imagen the leadership has largely changed as well, filled up with people who have no clue about the history of the region or Y's founding corps. Oh well, it's time to remove the old and get a new alliance in Cloud Ring. Bye, old friends.
Bigbunny	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:09:00 - [36] No one is a G member cause G is DEAD! History is DEAD! Look on the future not the past!
Death Merchant InterGalactic Corp. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Shinoobie IRON's role in this conflict... IRON were never part of G, but very very close to them, they were our brothers, and we would loose every last ship for one and other. When STV split from G/D2 and formed YouWhat, we still considered ourselves close friends of both parties. We were aware of bad feelings between YouWhat and D2, but convos I held with Wildcard(-Y-) and Cmd Woodlouse(D2) before we started this conflict in the south reassured me that YW and D2 still would work to the same goal of killing BoB, despite their differences. With -Y- and Chorus of Dawn turning the tables somewhat we have had to set them -ve. We really tried to stay positive to both sides because we hold both STV and CE with so much respect for what we accomplised under the G/IRON banner. This hasn't changed, only standings have changed due to the current EVE wide war that is upon us. Wildcard and YouWhat, you know how much IRON respects you for all what was accomplished in the past. Was a very sad day for us to put a red -ve on you guys, but we need to focus on the true war here. D2 are fighting our enemy, our main goal, we only wished that you could have joined us like times of old. Regards, Shin /signed
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:20:00 - [38] Edited by: Nyack on 07/03/2007 17:17:20 Edited by: Nyack on 07/03/2007 17:16:42 Well WildCard fail to mention the trackrecord of Steelvipers backstabbing career. being part of the whole d2, rise cloud ring deal as i my self was part of RISE management at that time. YW=wildcard in the following story.. Rise was told that D2 wasnt happy with YW in cloud ring since they couldnt hold sov and let goons invade. YW: -fine move in we dont want the region anyway we are looking for casual pvp not POS wars anyway. RISE: -you sure you dont want the region? YW: -yes move in RISE: -ok we do not want to ** anyone off you still have full region access, plex access, mining, docking are you alright with this? YW: -yes once again we do not seek pos wars keep the region D2 to RISE: -YW arnt happy with RISE in CR they are going to backstabb you RISE: -ok YW we hearing rumours you are not happy with us in CR is there anything we can talk sort? YW: -No we are happy how it is we do not want POS wars YW then a few days later attack RISE under blue banner in a sneek invasion of cloud ring YW to TOXIN: -we cant siege RISE alone cause we do not have the numbers but we have the capital ships TOXIN: -ok its alright we are bored and lookign for a fight and one RISE smacked us in local so we will help you out. but we do not like pos wars YW: -np we do not like pos wars either RISE YW and TOXIN then hugs POS for a few weeks TOXIN and YW after a few weeks of siege conquer cloud ring and RISE leaves. Alot of ex NORAD corps are **ed about the polarization within RISE between how FA corps treat old NORAD corps. and RONIN is formed. RONIN then war dec RISE.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:48:00 - [39] Originally by: WildCard Short overview CE/STV are founding [G]ermanz IRON got a nice partner of em. BOB attacks Trust in EC-P8R. G and TRUST decided to merge (What a mess I forced that) The industrials of the new D2 took over leadership within D2, and things got annoying. The new D2 lead called several smaller corps within D2 worthless. STV decided to leave. Also FSP followed. The others was sacred about their Trust-Shop discount, so they are still in D2. Goons invaded XZH cuz Sov problems. At this time XZH was D2 sov so they defended it. BOB also engaged Goons and Goons left. D2 ordered RISE to move into XZH. From now XZH is in RISE hand. (STV has had it over 3 years, as STV , as G, as D2 ) Some RISE (mostly NORADS) are smacking me. Y and TOXIN pushed out RISE. Y took over again.(thx TOXIN) RISE fell apart. D2 trys to find a new allianz which will take over XZH with D2 support. (That not realy nice) Well they found none except goons of corse. D2 naps goons to fight BOB. (That s a absolute no no) D2 hires mercs to fight Y. What then happend you can read in the forum. Thats not history, most of that is totally one sided pov, i even would go so far and call it "fantasy" --------------------------------
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:53:00 - [40] woody honestly go flame some where else. Instead of saying its one sided why don't you enlighting us with "your truth". Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:54:00 - [41] Originally by: mama guru We were sold out when D2 offerd to sell CR to a third party(not the goons) if they helped them attack us. But they declined and told us about it and so the D2 armada went after ISS instead. Get your facts straight, never trust a T.R.U.S.T member. Evidence or please shut up here. Who is this "famous" third party u are speaking of? --------------------------------
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:57:00 - [42] Originally by: Torshin woody honestly go flame some where else. Instead of saying its one sided why don't you enlighting us with "your truth". Woody is a nickname for friends, for people who know him. You are a nobody in a nobody alliance, you have to call him almighty Sir Cmd Woodlouse.
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Torshin woody honestly go flame some where else. Instead of saying its one sided why don't you enlighting us with "your truth". If you call that a flame, u are a much more EMO than i. I pity you --------------------------------
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Nyack Edited by: Nyack on 07/03/2007 17:17:20 Edited by: Nyack on 07/03/2007 17:16:42 Well WildCard fail to mention the trackrecord of Steelvipers backstabbing career. being part of the whole d2, rise cloud ring deal as i my self was part of RISE management at that time. YW=wildcard in the following story.. Rise was told that D2 wasnt happy with YW in cloud ring since they couldnt hold sov and let goons invade. YW: -fine move in we dont want the region anyway we are looking for casual pvp not POS wars anyway. RISE: -you sure you dont want the region? YW: -yes move in RISE: -ok we do not want to ** anyone off you still have full region access, plex access, mining, docking are you alright with this? YW: -yes once again we do not seek pos wars keep the region D2 to RISE: -YW arnt happy with RISE in CR they are going to backstabb you RISE: -ok YW we hearing rumours you are not happy with us in CR is there anything we can talk sort? YW: -No we are happy how it is we do not want POS wars YW then a few days later attack RISE under blue banner in a sneek invasion of cloud ring YW to TOXIN: -we cant siege RISE alone cause we do not have the numbers but we have the capital ships TOXIN: -ok its alright we are bored and lookign for a fight and one RISE smacked us in local so we will help you out. but we do not like pos wars YW: -np we do not like pos wars either RISE YW and TOXIN then hugs POS for a few weeks TOXIN and YW after a few weeks of siege conquer cloud ring and RISE leaves. Alot of ex NORAD corps are **ed about the polarization within RISE between how FA corps treat old NORAD corps. and RONIN is formed. RONIN then war dec RISE. Sounds about right.
Laythun Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.07 20:02:00 - [45] Originally by: Habraka Originally by: Torshin woody honestly go flame some where else. Instead of saying its one sided why don't you enlighting us with "your truth". Woody is a nickname for friends, for people who know him. You are a nobody in a nobody alliance, you have to call him almighty Sir Cmd Woodlouse. QFT. Black Lance Brother
Phoenixara Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.07 20:52:00 - [46] Quote: Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- STV decided to leave. Also FSP followed. The others was sacred about their Trust-Shop discount, so they are still in D2. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- chuckles you do realise that you still get discount, do you ? I also think the leaving had mostly to do with D2 deciding to leave CR once and for all behind. You didn't like that, which is just fair. can i have discount now i <3 trust and D2 and ofc Emily...she is h0t on topic again tbh in my eyes, -Y- have betreayed the north, after being long time friends of the key players, d2, iron, rzr etc them napping bob is a shame but meh thats eve i guess -Y- comming to a overview near you Alt of SolApathy, shes living the dream, killing kittens in polaris with Sharkbait and friends.
ChronoSphere Kronos Industries and Logistics Ltd	Posted - 2007.03.07 20:59:00 - [47] I love it how a lot of D2 people are flaming -Y- for their decision to wardec D2. As if they didn't know they pushed -Y- into this. RISE and D2 were friends at one point as well till D2 backstabbed RISE. -Y- and D2 were friends at one point till D2 backstabbed -Y-. See a trend? D2 has a history of broken promises and two-facedness. I applaud YouWhat for standing up and telling them no more. Folks may not like BoB, but if you make an agreement with them, and both sides are faithful the agreement will stick. Trusting D2 is like trying to trust a rat not to eat the pantry - all your food's going to be gone and there's going to be little rat droppings everywhere. As as aside, RISE was went negative long before they sided with BoB due to D2's constant forays by individual corps in D2 while D2 command constantly kept saying "we're friends". RISE sided with BoB BECAUSE of D2's behavior. --------- CEO - Kronos Industries and Logistics Ltd (KILL.)
Phoenixara Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:25:00 - [48] Edited by: Phoenixara on 07/03/2007 21:21:42 Originally by: ChronoSphere I love it how a lot of D2 people are flaming -Y- for their decision to wardec D2. As if they didn't know they pushed -Y- into this. RISE and D2 were friends at one point as well till D2 backstabbed RISE. -Y- and D2 were friends at one point till D2 backstabbed -Y-. See a trend? D2 has a history of broken promises and two-facedness. I applaud YouWhat for standing up and telling them no more. Folks may not like BoB, but if you make an agreement with them, and both sides are faithful the agreement will stick. Trusting D2 is like trying to trust a rat not to eat the pantry - all your food's going to be gone and there's going to be little rat droppings everywhere. As as aside, RISE was went negative long before they sided with BoB due to D2's constant forays by individual corps in D2 while D2 command constantly kept saying "we're friends". RISE sided with BoB BECAUSE of D2's behavior. care to elaborate? i mean specifics that lead d2 to supposedly backstabbing said alliances Alt of SolApathy, shes living the dream, killing kittens in polaris with Sharkbait and friends.
Puncher hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:26:00 - [49] Originally by: ChronoSphere As as aside, RISE was went negative long before they sided with BoB due to D2's constant forays by individual corps in D2 while D2 command constantly kept saying "we're friends". RISE sided with BoB BECAUSE of D2's behavior. RISE sided with BoB because BoB has been running the 'Council' of RISE since the inception of the alliance Chrono, and you know it. I'm glad to see you got out though, just makes me sad to see SGHQ under a BoB pet banner after everything that has gone down.
grizouh Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:59:00 - [50] Originally by: mama guru We were sold out when D2 offerd to sell CR to a third party(not the goons) if they helped them attack us. But they declined and told us about it and so the D2 armada went after ISS instead. you prolly don¦t know me but plz believe me if i say i always tried to stay neutral in the stv vs d2 conflict but his post gets a big LOL. d2 wasn¦t interested in cr anymore as all the old players from -y- + d2 know and honestly d2 as alliance did not care that much about -y- as they would sent a third party to engage youwhat also if there are enough peeps inside d2 which actually would enjoy shooting -y- (but personally and not by a third party). but we should not forget to mention that it is exactly the same on the -y- side... so both sides should stop argueing why it came this way, the split from stv/.fsp had its reasons and it was clear that will end in a mess one day. here we go Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:29:00 - [51] Originally by: Laythun Originally by: Habraka Originally by: Torshin woody honestly go flame some where else. Instead of saying its one sided why don't you enlighting us with "your truth". Woody is a nickname for friends, for people who know him. You are a nobody in a nobody alliance, you have to call him almighty Sir Cmd Woodlouse. QFT. and Woodloose to those that have fought him "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:32:00 - [52] Wildcard I don't know you personally but I was in D2 for awhile. Almost from when it was founded when E-R joined then later still when I was with Black Lance. The one thing i'm certain of is that D2 didn't want CR and didn't care who had it as long as it was friendly. That's why they intervened when goons invaded and why they didn't get involved between Rise and YouWhat. D2 wants a united north to stand together against BoD and you know it. Anyone who's lived in the North a while knows it. D2 is and has been focused on BoD from the formation of the alliance. When Cartiff was asked to join D2 before it's formation he was told explicitly that D2 was being formed with an eye to combatting BoD. As long as you were friendly D2 wouldn't even look at CR especially while engaged with their mortal enemies down south. Frankly you've turned YouWhat from a friendly neighbor to a threat. I'm quite sure D2 wasn't overly concerned with CR before. But no matter what happens down south D2 will not tolerate a hostile neighbor in CR. It may take awhile but you've probably just lost your region.
Frances Ducoir Academy of Decadence	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:47:00 - [53] Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 07/03/2007 23:45:49 as i said before... they seem a bit paranoid atm. only things i read are false accusations and explanations in which they try to excuse for backstabbing. i'am curiuos what the real reason for their betrayal is. did BoBBBBBBBB (its a B guys, not a D) pay you? did they promise you a certain region? cmon tell us, we all want to know what the price was. another thing we all want to know: who is this mysterious 3. alliance which is hired by D2 to remove you from CR? maybe this 3. alliance was hired from bob to tell you such fairytales? you know BoB is the number one alliance regarding espionage and stuff... i really think its a nice bob plot. another part of their current strategy of beeing quiet at the forums... it works. the public opinion seems to change a bit in the direction that people think D2 is more arrogant and flaming than BoB. to other D2: stay calm and please stop the BoD thingy. you can blame the LEADERSHIP of BoB (i think they know what was going on in their alliance regarding devs and such) but you cant blame every single member. it is really getting old and is a slap in the face of every dev. come on... really. eve is such a nice game so dont flame all devs to hell and back with this BoD thingy.
Xomosapiens Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:47:00 - [54] Originally by: Nyack Edited by: Nyack on 07/03/2007 17:17:20 Edited by: Nyack on 07/03/2007 17:16:42 Well WildCard fail to mention the trackrecord of Steelvipers backstabbing career. being part of the whole d2, rise cloud ring deal as i my self was part of RISE management at that time. YW=wildcard in the following story.. Rise was told that D2 wasnt happy with YW in cloud ring since they couldnt hold sov and let goons invade. YW: -fine move in we dont want the region anyway we are looking for casual pvp not POS wars anyway. RISE: -you sure you dont want the region? YW: -yes move in RISE: -ok we do not want to ** anyone off you still have full region access, plex access, mining, docking are you alright with this? YW: -yes once again we do not seek pos wars keep the region D2 to RISE: -YW arnt happy with RISE in CR they are going to backstabb you RISE: -ok YW we hearing rumours you are not happy with us in CR is there anything we can talk sort? YW: -No we are happy how it is we do not want POS wars YW then a few days later attack RISE under blue banner in a sneek invasion of cloud ring YW to TOXIN: -we cant siege RISE alone cause we do not have the numbers but we have the capital ships TOXIN: -ok its alright we are bored and lookign for a fight and one RISE smacked us in local so we will help you out. but we do not like pos wars YW: -np we do not like pos wars either RISE YW and TOXIN then hugs POS for a few weeks TOXIN and YW after a few weeks of siege conquer cloud ring and RISE leaves. Alot of ex NORAD corps are **ed about the polarization within RISE between how FA corps treat old NORAD corps. and RONIN is formed. RONIN then war dec RISE. I was with RISE during this whole thing... This is very much true... Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:48:00 - [55] fighing YW is like shadow boxing.
Rancid Beef Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:58:00 - [56] RISE is not friends with D2 because D2 was shooting at RISE. Very simple, and easy to understand. Or was it Molle that secretly hired D2 to send combat fleets to RISE territory, so that RISE would side with BoB versus D2 when the big war kicked off? I find this scenario much more acceptable... Your killen me smalls.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.03.08 01:37:00 - [57] regarding RISE ... correct me if i'm wrong .. RISE was formed out of a merger between NORAD and FA ... NORAD had good standings with D2 corps since old G times FA on the other hand had iirc no (or negative) standings to D2 and if i'm not mistaken the ex-NORAD guys left RISE after CR to form RONIN in OR ... which apparently have (again) good standings to D2 in other words - RISE after CR != RISE before CR ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Badhands Gallente The Huns Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.08 07:32:00 - [58] Originally by: INZi Missunderstanding strikes EVE doing 15000 damage of Lousy Communication. This seems overly true.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.08 09:16:00 - [59] First time I saw YouWhat on the map, I was like...huh? _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender Got Corp?
LadyShu Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat	Posted - 2007.03.08 09:21:00 - [60] we do not talk in local ...

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