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Ristonhawk Caldari Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.07 20:59:00 - [1] IS it true that its ending? So no more BPO's? and only BPC's?
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:02:00 - [2] on tech 2 blueprints yup all are being converted to long run BPCs time to sell if u intend to now is a good idea
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:11:00 - [3] Originally by: hotgirl933 on tech 2 blueprints yup all are being converted to long run BPCs time to sell if u intend to now is a good idea This is not confirmed, nor even likely.
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.03.07 21:18:00 - [4] yes the lottery is ending and everything will switch to invention. Invention should bring the prices of t2 ships and mods down, sell your hulks now, they wont be worth much as soon as that invention bug is squashed. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:46:00 - [5] Remaining lotteries are been accelerated. No more t2 bpo's via lottery after the last lottery (most likely the lottery system will never be used again for something so valuable in the game) Invention will be the only way to produce any t2 bpc (aside from those who already own bpo's) Invention will be tweaked to deal with the fact to make a profit from invention still you need to charge incredibly over a realistic price. Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Afrodite Etnellag	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:57:00 - [6] Originally by: hotgirl933 on tech 2 blueprints yup all are being converted to long run BPCs time to sell if u intend to now is a good idea IMO, are you DDs alt and you want to buy them maybe The devs stated that there are 10000 tech2 bpos out there and they are not going to screw them up
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 23:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Lithalnas yes the lottery is ending and everything will switch to invention. Invention should bring the prices of t2 ships and mods down, sell your hulks now, they wont be worth much as soon as that invention bug is squashed. Why would it drop prices? It costs more to invent the tech 2 bpc and then produce it than it does to just produce it from a researched BPO especially when the tech 2 BPC has a chance to fail and they always seem to have negative ME and PE. _________________________________________
CreEDLom DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:08:00 - [8] Why would it drop prices? It costs more to invent the tech 2 bpc and then produce it than it does to just produce it from a researched BPO especially when the tech 2 BPC has a chance to fail and they always seem to have negative ME and PE. Who cares if they go up. Knowing that a T2 BPO will not be spawned for a "buddy" is a step in the right direction. Also we can now have a competitive market instead of cartels! But I think they will go down. Just might take a while.
Nikla Uthaan Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Zaethiel Why would it drop prices? It costs more to invent the tech 2 bpc and then produce it than it does to just produce it from a researched BPO especially when the tech 2 BPC has a chance to fail and they always seem to have negative ME and PE. Two points: Not being presumptuous about your knowledge of invention, but I'm answering with an assumption that you have none. 1) SHIP invention is broken atm, due to there not being 'named ships'. Where modules are concerned, the better named module you use, the better chances of a successful invention attempt. So, an unnamed piece of T1 gear will give you the worst chances. All ships are considered unnamed T1 gear, thus, the broken-ness. 2) the negative ME and PE is not a big issue IMO. Yes, it costs more to produce than a BPO run, but we all know that the T2 stuff everyone wants is grossly inflated. At current market prices, on one successful invention attempt on some not-so-popular gear I'd triple my investment (i.e. costs 80 mil to invent, sells for a total of 240 mil). For the popular gear you're looking at even more. Once again, ship invention is broken, so it isn't true in this case. Invention isnt going to bring T2 prices down to T1 prices. What it is going to do is cap the inflation T2 BPO cartels can apply to their monopolies. Even with a 50% success rate on invention, I will be able to sell some of the T2 gear I can manufacture at half the cost of whats out there. I won't because it's not economically smart, esp when people are willing to pay higher prices. But, as competition increases and the number of people trying to undercut each other increases, this will taper down to a figure relatively close to what it costs to invent. T2 BPO owners will have no choice then but to sell at these costs. And yes, this does mean T2 BPO owners will have an advantage, but this will be reduced by the ability of them to manufacture the gear vs turning over their profit. This is the advantage to T2 BPO owners for investing time into the BPO lottery in the first place. So yeah,, T2 BPO's aren't being turned into high run BPCs, they get dealt a big enough blow already once ship invention is fixed. Module invention is pretty damn good as it stands. ----------------- snip Part of your signature was inappropriate- Tirg The Mishing is an ethnic group in the districts of North Lakhimpur, Sonitput, Dhemaji, Dibrugarh, Sibsagar, Jorhat, Golaghat, Tinsukia of Assam.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:25:00 - [10] Read the latest blog for how the DEVs are planning on fixing invention ffs. I personally think that once datacore prices tank after everybody converts their RP to datacores (after the final lottery is over) we will see a lot more people inventing and the high-cost T2 items will lessen in price.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:25:00 - [11] what might be confusing in this thread thus far: T2 BPOs remain, just no new ones will be added once the last lottery has been finished along with rev 1.4 (or so the devblog implied) so it won't be "just" T2 BPCs - but they can keep prices in check
Ristonhawk Caldari Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.08 05:05:00 - [12] Edited by: Ristonhawk on 08/03/2007 05:02:48 So what you guys are saying is that NO more BPOs will be issued, who ever had the BPO's before will keep them and after the lott. are over you can only get BPC's. Well thats very unfair to the new guys joining since they cant really get BPO's the same as others did in the past. Also most of the BPO's out there are controlled by alliances and will be used to enhance their control over the world of eve. I really think that DEV's need to be fair to all, maybe there should be a time limit that starts after last BPO's are issued. Lets say 2 years so when the time is up it can go back in th epool again and some one else can enjoy them. This is really unfair. Can you guys post the link to the dev's blog regarding this issue?
Genericforumalt Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.03.08 05:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Ristonhawk Edited by: Ristonhawk on 08/03/2007 05:02:48 So what you guys are saying is that NO more BPOs will be issued, who ever had the BPO's before will keep them and after the lott. are over you can only get BPC's. CCP is aware of this and oveur said in one of the comment threads on the blog about T2 lottery removal that invention leading to BPOs was a possibility. Which is really the only solution, as long as it takes the same isk/effort it would take to buy A T2 BPO normally over the auctions. Quote: Well thats very unfair to the new guys joining since they cant really get BPO's the same as others did in the past. I'm just going to come out and say it, New players have no business in T2 manufacturing. At it's core Invention was a means to get highly-research-skilled mid-old aged characters into T2 manufacturing and shore up the torrential rains of whinge that the playerbase throws at the DEVs over the imaginary "evil T2 cartels raising prices". New players were never the target of invention's innovations. Quote: Also most of the BPO's out there are controlled by alliances and will be used to enhance their control over the world of eve. oh brother, tinfoil hats anybody? Some alliances have seen fit to buy some T2 bpos but they were more a means of solidifying constant supplies to the battlefield. By NO MEANS AT ALL are "most" T2 BPOs in alliance hands. Quote: I really think that DEV's need to be fair to all, maybe there should be a time limit that starts after last BPO's are issued. Yeah right fair to everybody but the T2 BPO owner I see. I hardly see how this could be considered anywhere near the kingdom of "fair". Quote: Lets say 2 years so when the time is up it can go back in th epool again and some one else can enjoy them. This is really unfair. I like how your cognitive dissonance kicked in there at the end, you're right, what you're proposing is really unfair. Quote: Can you guys post the link to the dev's blog regarding this issue? Top forum, eve information portal, all the blogs and subsequent comments lie there.
Ristonhawk Caldari Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.08 07:38:00 - [14] Edited by: Ristonhawk on 08/03/2007 07:35:38 Quote: I'm just going to come out and say it, New players have no business in T2 manufacturing. At it's core Invention was a means to get highly-research-skilled mid-old aged characters into T2 manufacturing and shore up the torrential rains of whinge that the playerbase throws at the DEVs over the imaginary "evil T2 cartels raising prices". New players were never the target of invention's innovations. What you are saying is bull ... I know of people that had only a few 1000's points and got T2 BPO. When I say new I mean people that are in position of doing T2 now ... These people have no choice now and actually have to work harder to get the same things people got for just pure luck in the past. (Luck in the past) != (busting your butts to get the same NOW) Quote: oh brother, tinfoil hats anybody? Some alliances have seen fit to buy some T2 bpos but they were more a means of solidifying constant supplies to the battlefield. By NO MEANS AT ALL are "most" T2 BPOs in alliance hands. Listen man ... I am not starting a flame war here but I know of a few people that have lots of T2 BPO's and their starting isk came from alliances to buy the T2 BPO's from open market. Yes it makes it legal but in terms of control it gives huge advantages to alliances that have them. Quote: Yeah right fair to everybody but the T2 BPO owner I see. I hardly see how this could be considered anywhere near the kingdom of "fair". No ITs not fair when people got the T2 BPO based on "pure" luck and now the new guys have to bust their butts to get the same thing. It's not fair . Quote: I like how your cognitive dissonance kicked in there at the end, you're right, what you're proposing is really unfair. So people that have the BPOs now are cool but new people that should get the same treatment cant ... you make no sense. Quote: Top forum, eve information portal, all the blogs and subsequent comments lie there. yes smarty I can see that ... BUT I wanted to see additional reads ..
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.03.08 09:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Ristonhawk Can you guys post the link to the dev's blog regarding this issue? Linkage

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