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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Splagada on 08/03/2007 16:11:39
 Originally by: Crumplecorn
the big loop
i'm a real kid when it comes to this kind of stuff. i could go on for a couple weeks :p
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.08 16:48:00 -
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is this worth anyones time at all...
ok genius, when did USD$ start to = isk. (evebay is bad.)
When did aircraft carriers start to leave earths atmosphere and travel space in large packs... looking to gank other aircraft carriers.
Clearly you dont understand the military system... the winning contract goes to the lowest bidder... they make the military thingy as cheaply as they can... and the rich politicians buy shares in the company making the weapons...
But yeah, continue trying to kill eve/push it back to beta. Good for you.
Originally by: Dr Cupid
Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
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Redbad
Minmatar
Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Aphotic Raven
is this worth anyones time at all...
ok genius, when did USD$ start to = isk. (evebay is bad.)
When did aircraft carriers start to leave earths atmosphere and travel space in large packs... looking to gank other aircraft carriers.
Clearly you dont understand the military system... the winning contract goes to the lowest bidder... they make the military thingy as cheaply as they can... and the rich politicians buy shares in the company making the weapons...
But yeah, continue trying to kill eve/push it back to beta. Good for you.
He means that the gap between Battleships and the capitalvessels is a bit too small. I think the carrier-thingy was more to illustrate this. Yet I dont agree with the opinion also. It is fine as it is and gives the less fortunate (ISK-wise) players also a chance to bring some firepower to the playgrounds.
BTW I have some shares in Corporations that sell Battleships, although a-political I knew I had it right on how to make ISK in EVE 
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: RtoZ on 08/03/2007 18:07:56
Dude, where have you been?
Raven Navy Issue: check cost.
3x capacitor control circuir: check cost.
Corpus x-type heavy nosferatu: check cost.
7x cruise launcher II: check cost.
Pith or Gist X-type XLarge Shield Booster: check cost.
Pith X-Type Shield Boost Extender: Check cost.
Tech II everything else: check cost.
If you don't want to check cost, I fly all of the above (with a pith booster) and the total cost of this admitadly specialized ship is around 2.7-3b depending on market fluctuation. I'm pretty sure this falls into the price bracket you're on about, and its capabilities are more or less what you're talking about too. Don't pigeon hole battleships, there is something for everybody, and you don't reach the upper echelon of BS piloting with your first dominix, trust me.
BTW, this thing hits for 3k HP a salvo and can shield rep 30k hitpoints on full cap with 80%+ resists on 3 damage types...
IMO the battleship model is fine in eve, want bigger buy a dread.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
How are you comparing isk to RL money? And why are you only doing it for BS?
I think I'm gonna sell my house and buy me a frigate-sized spaceship! (Or would that cost a lot more than a house?)
well if you compare a shuttle to a cessna an isk is worth about 25 bucks US today equivalent. a new basic cessna single engine prop is a quarter million bucks and you can pick up shuttles for 9 grand in isk. makes bs about 3 billion us dollars and you spend at least that much again fitting them so your fly away cost is 6-8 billion us dollars. motherships wind up costing about as much as the state of new york and a titan is about equivalent to buying japan. underpriced these things aren't.
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Galifardeua
Gallente
Completament Tarats
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:07:00 -
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Edited by: Galifardeua on 08/03/2007 19:04:32
I feel sorry for you, not feeling the harshness of space because of your nurturing corp or aliance.
You know there are people not playing everyday, not playing long hours, and not making much isk?
I remember having to grind missions for some long time in order to jump from cruiser to battleship, no myridon back then. Right now I don't have much money problems, but I don't have enough to buy tons of ships. Heck, I don't even have enough to buy the tier 3 BS (not that I want either).
In fact I remember each jump in category of ships as a hard to overcome obstacle. So I'm, again, sorry for you, because you could not feel the effort and do not give enough value for what you've got.
And about the armor and hull thingies... well, are you flying caldari or what?
Have fun.
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Captain Jaikken
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: zibelthurdos
Edited by: zibelthurdos on 08/03/2007 10:15:20
Originally by: Crydawner
Originally by: zibelthurdos
Originally by: Crydawner
buy a dreadnought?
I am a new player and earning 4 billion to simply buy a ship bigger than a cruiser would take, in a cruiser, a stupidly long time!
and what happens when ya lose it :P?
I think you have too much money 
I didn't say a battleship should cost 4 billion, I said it should in my opinion cost 10 times what it currently costs. or for example, approx 1.2 billion for a raven.
Do you have any idea how long it would take to earn that with a cruiser? It would be even worse after this change too since so many people would no longer fly a battleship and the total money in the economy would go down and cause deflation. All this would result in is battleships becoming the new dread and anything bigger than dread size ceasing to exist. It would be the exact situation we have now, only with less ships. Personaly i think it's mostly tied in with logoffski type exploits. People have too much money due to not losing as much as they should. I don't think that randomly making things cost 10 times more is the solution to anything.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: zibelthurdos
armor and hull rep modules should be limited to dedicated repair and logistics vessels.
Hmm. I mean I largely disagree with you that battleships at their current costs are "less impressive", but I think the above line got passed up by many.
And as much as I think RL to EVE comparisons are entirely ridiculous, for the sake of discussion I'm going to make one related to the quote above. In "RL", it's possible to perform at-sea repairs on vessels to a point. Engine damage, for instance. But major hull damage? Drydock time.
Now I'm not suggesting that we all be forced to dock to repair our ships, but what's the harm in giving logistics a purpose? By far, they're the class of ships I see the least in this game, largely replaced by command ships and their bonuses. What if combat resulted in a certain amount of shield, armor, and hull damage that was unrepairable in space by repair modules on those ships, and could only be repaired in dock or by logistics ships? Maybe to do so would require some kind of supply (isotopes?) so suddenly being a roaming fleet meant you needed to maintain a logistics and supply chain to make sure your ships were kept in tip-top shape?
Just some thoughts.
The amount of "permanent damage" that can only be repaired in drydock or by dedicated logisics vessels had to be well balanced for the races that prefer armor tanking to not punish them too hard (you also could let some shield emitter curcuits burn out as a perma damage on shields as well when being hard hit)...
All in all...I love the idea! I always found it idiotic that you could repair Armor and especially structure without any repair parts or costs.
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