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Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.07.18 21:32:41 -
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Hello, I am in the process of setting up my Nanite Repair Paste operation, and have a question...
When looking a the materials I need 1 unit data chips 1 unit Gel Matrix Bio Paste and 4 unites nanites...
Now when I set this up lets pretend all things being optimal in extraction would that mean I need more planets for base components of Nanites than I would the other 2 components?
Or does it end up being a 1:1 ratio on planets needed vs base components due to the fact that nanites are less advanced materials when compared to the other 2 ingredients?
Sorry if this is a dumb question, thsi is my first go at PI and trying to get things optimized |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.18 21:50:06 -
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ah its gonna be even more complicated than that isnt it... I found a chart that shows input output and for the 2 complex components it looks like I get 3 for every 1 needed and the nanites I get 5 for every 4 needed which means I would need a lil less then 3 times the extraction for the nanite stuff...
but more than that looking at my 1 lava planet I have poor felsic magma on it... which means I'll need more people extracting that then the good deposits wont I?
this may get complicated ;) |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.18 22:10:17 -
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dont suppose theres a site that can help optimize my setup, like how much to extract from where?
Assuming all types of planets are the same I wouldnt be surprised if it was out there somewhere.
I have 2 Barrens, 1 Lava, 1 Storm, 1 Temperate, 4 Gas, and 1 Oceanic if that helps anyone. |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.18 23:13:52 -
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lol thanks. |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.19 07:50:22 -
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ok so when I pick out a planet to drop a command center on for the purposes of extraction what do you look for exactly?
I'm running into a problem with the scanning, at least with the overall concentration and the actual deposits on the planet.
Say I need Microorganisms, planet A is oceanic and planet B is temperate.
The Temperate planet has a higher total amount of microorganisms, in fact the bar on the initial scan page has it maxxed out at 100%
When I go to look where to put the collectors however there seems to be less actual concentration of it, fewer red areas and where they are red it is light red... whereas if I look at the oceanic there are a bunch of bright red locations.
So which planet do you pick for this? the planet with the most overall amount, or the highest localized concentrations?
Thanks again
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Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.19 17:35:01 -
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ok I figured that out, I was just tired last night and was not thinking so I apologize for the dumb question.
Obviously overall quantity on a planet hardly matters if there is nowhere you can get a good amount extracted so that initial screen really does not matter. All that matters is finding a good concentration so you can get good extraction rates.
I do however have 1 other question. On another thread I saw someone talking about how they make a ton of isk per week via PI with just 4 chars...
They have extracting planets which just are 2 ECUs with 10 heads each and 2 spaceports meaning they would leave it in P0 format then transfer that to low lvl refinery world p0 - p1, they then would transfer that to a factory planet to bring it up to whatever lvl they sell.
is this setup only feasible with 0% taxes because I would get taxxed for each stage wouldnt I? Im in a wh with 5% taxes unfortunately... one day I may change to a better one if I can find one but currently I am under the protection of another corp until I can get one formed and grow big enough to protect myself.
So I guess the question is... does the planet specialization that this method has give a big enough boost in profits to justify getting taxed 3 different times on my product? I may be able to talk to the corp and ask them to tax the 2 worlds less than the factory world but that's by no means a guarantee. so I guess the taxes have me concerned with overall profit.
I mean I could refine it and extract it in 1 go so I would only extract a P1 not P0.... this would allow me less trips, less taxes, it would however not allow me 10 heads extracting so Im not really sure which is the best method.
any advice would be appreciated. |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.19 19:02:27 -
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well no I guess that wouldnt be feasible to put a factory on this planet... just 1 of my ECUs is pulling it what looks like 65k units per hour
so that would be what... 10 simple factories just to keep up? 20 if I factored in my other ECU so I guess it may work for like a weekly schedule but not for a 1 day
so I guess I need to live with the taxes if I want to maximize profits huh |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.20 04:12:07 -
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So i would be better off selling the components instead of finishing that last step and making the paste |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.20 19:47:37 -
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yeah last night I started doing the math... the whole process got me confused so I made a spreadsheet of the number of factories I would need and whatnot... since I had that spreadsheet it was a simple matter of finding out how much I would produce then compare that to how much ISK it would make.
With double production... 2 ECUs per every resource except oxygen which needs 4 I would be per month pulling in under a billion isk. like 700m or so.
Now if I took all those ECUs and devoted them to the stuff needed for nanites for instance... I think I came up with over 5b isk
I cant guarantee my math and Im sure I made a few small mistakes in assumptions and whatnot but still the difference is rather, extreme.
Now having said that I have a feeling having a ton of my alts making just nanites I would probably saturate the market whenever I would go to sell so I'll need to find some material to produce that has the volume to support me making it.
but still how does nanites prices make sense at all? I mean people like me would explain some of it... well people like me who didnt have someone making me check the math... I would of blindly started producing assuming that no one would sell at such a loss.... just seems like the nanite markets producers would see the losses and production should plummet, drying up the market, and allowing prices to adjust.
Is there another source for nanite repair paste that would explain the prices? If not then hell if this was the real world I would say buy up as much nanite repair paste as you can and horde it. When the correction comes the price will skyrocket.
anyone able to explain what is going on here? |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.20 22:53:39 -
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wow unless my math is wrong which is possible... there are some end products in PI that make significantly more isk why dont more ppl do this, this is by no means chump change if I am doing this right |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.21 00:55:49 -
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I was considering some of the mats needed in citadel creation |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.21 01:39:41 -
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actually as I expand more characters I want to produce a few things, figure diversity is always good |
Justicia
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2016.07.21 04:12:00 -
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What do you nean by r0 requiements..... doesnt all pi need raw materials lol
Sry, as i mentioned i am pretty new |
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