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insanebe
Caldari
soni Corp
Imperium Sonorumance
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:36:00 -
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Chris Hecker has declared that ôThe Wii is a piece of *snip*!ö and that Nintendo should make a console that doesnÆt ôsuck assö.
"This thing is totally underpowered... This is not about graphics, more polygons, all that kind of crap. What I want to be able to do is spend CPU to make the machine smarter, more interesting and more automatically intelligent.
"It's about interactivity - that is the key differentiator of our art form, and interactivity is about doing something interesting with that input and threading it back to the user. You can't do that with a piece of *snip* underpowered computer."
....is the Wii a pice of *snip* under powered computer ?
(don't flame me wii fanbois', im just the messenger  )
Are games art?
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Lola Lollipop
Gallente
Snakeskin Ind.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:48:00 -
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Chris Heckler is a n0000b
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FooB2
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:56:00 -
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short answer = no
long answer = no, its not.
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Matthias Clemi
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Posted - 2007.03.08 20:59:00 -
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... tht guy is such a nub...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 08/03/2007 22:04:58
The Wii was not intended to be a modern piece of hardware.
Its an old-fashioned gaming system, for old fashioned games. This doesn't mean its bad; often some of the best games are those that don't have fancy shmancy physics and ultra-realistic graphics.
But the Wii isn't supposed to have either. Its too slow and cheap. If you want a game with fancy shmancy graphics and physics, buy a PS3 or a computer.
On the other hand, while good graphics and physics aren't critical to a game being good, a good AI often is. And the Wii doesn't have enough CPU power for that either, which is likely what he is complaining about.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
The Wii was not intended to be a modern piece of hardware.
Oh Nintendo you card! Whatever will you do next?
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I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.03.08 23:59:00 -
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Wii? Underpowered?
forgive me for using bold and italics at the same time but...
DUH!
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.09 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
On the other hand, while good graphics and physics aren't critical to a game being good, a good AI often is. And the Wii doesn't have enough CPU power for that either, which is likely what he is complaining about.
Good AI has largely been ignored by the games industry. How many times have we seen previews for games 6 months to a year before release that promise "groundbreaking" AI, only to see it be the first thing chopped off when deadlines need to be met?
I've been promised great AI with every RTS generation, but for some reason my ore truck still marches down a valley, across two bridges, and through the enemy base to get to an ore patch that was closest in a straight line.
The last game AI of note that I can recall was the original Half Life, and that runs nicely on a Pentium II.
Unless the industry starts getting serious about AI, I don't see this as a good argument against the Wii.
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ZeeWolf
Savage Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.09 01:55:00 -
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I automatically detest a computer system that requires me to stand to play it effectivly.
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.09 05:25:00 -
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Games are art. They are products of human creativity just like movies, music and paintings. Just that they tend to be mass produced easily for profit.
While I will agree a huge majority of games are poor products of creativity, there are more than enough amazing ones to keep you entertained for a bit.
Just because it's interactive doesn't mean it's not art. You may listen to classical music passively, but a regular concert-goer certainly doesn't.
And the Wii ... it's all about your expectations. Yes it doesn't have the latest advancements, but I got it because it's something different in the gaming world. Interactivity away from joysticks, mouses and buttons. Motion sensing, IR pointer. And plus, processing power doesn't always equal beauty. Just look at Psychonauts or WoW. They're definitely more visually stimulating than whatever the latest in realism brings to the table. Unless of course, you have no imagination.
Development costs have been skyrocketing, and that means there can only be so many good games on the other consoles. On the Wii however, you'll find creative and experimental games, like the Warioware, Brain Age, Mario Party or Trauma Center series. Many weird games and formulas have tanked before a few rose above the other in the market.
And of course, I always keep my gaming PC handy, so if you had to play games only on the Xbox 360 or Wii, I'd go with a Xbox 360 myself.
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Posted - 2007.03.09 09:50:00 -
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games are not about fancy graphics, it's about the gameplay thats involved with the game imo. the wii doesn't have super fancy graphics, but it does add a level of game play to some of the games that have never been out there before. we have 1 at the office and i personally like the console very much, altho i do only play on the wii sports and zelda, but thats not he point 
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Ealiom
Blackhole Entry Point
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:52:00 -
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You'd think someone in the games industry would have a clue. Seemingly not!
The Wii is not designed as an all powerful next gen console. (Everyone else in this thread seems to get this)
As for DS's comments on AI. ?
Im afraid the Wii has 'more' than enough processing power to deliver good AI. I cant stress that 'more' enough (or I could but no one wants to see massive multi coloured text)
AI is a difficult beast at best. As of yet there hasn't been much headway in the game industry to impliment it well. There is however a promising growth in the area regarding University's and research. Ive been privy to some awesome demonstrations and been a guinea pig in a few. I have no doubt that once the software becomes available we will see advanced AI implimented. As usual though many will be slow to adopt it. As its likely seen as a unneccesary drain on money and resources.
Currently though at our current level of AI hardware is not the issue.
Your right about recent games. HL2 was a bloody joke. Anyone remember the videos Valve released years before it was released. How the player blocked the door with the table and the troops acted 'intelligently' first trying the door handle, then attempting to break the door down and then once that failed they went to the window to shoot through at you.
Valve = The Stink. It was all scripted and touted as advanced AI. 
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ealiom
You'd think someone in the games industry would have a clue. Seemingly not!
The Wii is not designed as an all powerful next gen console. (Everyone else in this thread seems to get this)
As for DS's comments on AI. ?
Well, I'd certainly agree about the "not an all powerful next gen console" there. I'd say the Wii is more of a capable console with an extremely powerful user interface. and that's exactly what it's been marketed as.
what makes me laugh is the comments from an EA coder, yet I distinctly remember the V-P of EA (the developer's boss) commenting during the EIEF conference last year about how he considered the Wii to be the next-gen console which will be most successful. Personally, I'm going to take his view over that of a bitter code-monkey who seems to have a gripe because it does'nt give him the flashy shaders or a bit of extra processng power (we made games on Sinclair Spectrums, and he's whining about a Wii with god knows how much more processing power? ungrateful sod...). So I don't swallow his AI whinge at all...
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Neon Genesis
Gallente
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:33:00 -
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Wii is obviously geared towards sheer fun and party's. It doesn't even pretend to equal the other next gen consoles
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GouldFish
Unscoped
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:02:00 -
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And since his first out burst he's now retracted his statement.
oh and I love my Wii!
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insanebe
Caldari
soni Corp
Imperium Sonorumance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: insanebe on 09/03/2007 14:35:32
Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Ealiom
You'd think someone in the games industry would have a clue. Seemingly not!
The Wii is not designed as an all powerful next gen console. (Everyone else in this thread seems to get this)
As for DS's comments on AI. ?
Well, I'd certainly agree about the "not an all powerful next gen console" there. I'd say the Wii is more of a capable console with an extremely powerful user interface. and that's exactly what it's been marketed as.
what makes me laugh is the comments from an EA coder, yet I distinctly remember the V-P of EA (the developer's boss) commenting during the EIEF conference last year about how he considered the Wii to be the next-gen console which will be most successful. Personally, I'm going to take his view over that of a bitter code-monkey who seems to have a gripe because it does'nt give him the flashy shaders or a bit of extra processng power (we made games on Sinclair Spectrums, and he's whining about a Wii with god knows how much more processing power? ungrateful sod...). So I don't swallow his AI whinge at all...
i think what they are trying to get at is that something like Supreme Commander would suffer on the Wii due to lack of processing power, its not about fancy shaders and polygons 
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