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Siva Calentis The Pikey Rebellion	Posted - 2007.03.09 14:55:00 - [91] Originally by: McGin Im Supprised. But good luck guys Shut up you defector jock!!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The legend formally known as Naldo! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.03.09 14:58:00 - [92] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: thoth foc It is actually your inability to stand alone that points to how weak you are as groups.. That doesn't make sense. read it slowly then The problem isn't my reading. The problem is that your conclusion doesn't follow from your premiss. I'm not sure, if i can reword it any simpler, if it's a matter that you dont agree on the measure of strength or something, that's fine, everyone has their own opinion.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:00:00 - [93] Originally by: thoth foc Groups like FIX etc. will always deserve much more respect than the likes of D2 and "northern slaves".. FIX are a group in themselves, more complete and capable than the 6.. 8.. 10 northern alliances that currently getting spanked about querious.. Hah, hah. Are you serious? I don't want to turn this into a smackathread but... FIX? Just no. I won't attempt to explain because of the character limit of the forum, and because I really don't need to persuade pretty much anyone who's read your silly statement here. -omg-
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:06:00 - [94] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: thoth foc It is actually your inability to stand alone that points to how weak you are as groups.. That doesn't make sense. read it slowly then The problem isn't my reading. The problem is that your conclusion doesn't follow from your premiss. I'm not sure, if i can reword it any simpler, if it's a matter that you dont agree on the measure of strength or something, that's fine, everyone has their own opinion.. No. The conclusion "You are weak as a group" does not logically follow from "You can't stand alone" even if the latter were true. What you said is just as valid as "thoth never uses capital letters therefore he must have a special keyboard with no shift key", in that a) there are plenty of other explanations for the premiss and b) the premiss is obviously not true anyway.
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:07:00 - [95] Originally by: hired goon Originally by: thoth foc Groups like FIX etc. will always deserve much more respect than the likes of D2 and "northern slaves".. FIX are a group in themselves, more complete and capable than the 6.. 8.. 10 northern alliances that currently getting spanked about querious.. Hah, hah. Are you serious? I don't want to turn this into a smackathread but... FIX? Just no. I won't attempt to explain because of the character limit of the forum, and because I really don't need to persuade pretty much anyone who's read your silly statement here. tbh this reply looks like it is based on your own arrogance about yourselves.. opinons about yourselves, i dont share.. All groups have their strengths and weakness, and everyone judges these based on their own experiences.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:09:00 - [96] Originally by: thoth foc weak you are as groups.. Originally by: Joerd Toastius "You are weak as a group" problem found _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:10:00 - [97] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: thoth foc weak you are as groups.. Originally by: Joerd Toastius "You are weak as a group" problem found Huh? I figured you were just doing a Yoda impression there. If what I said's not what you meant, what did you mean?
insanebe Caldari soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:12:00 - [98] ban the alts :p knowledge is power.... guard it well
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:18:00 - [99] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: thoth foc weak you are as groups.. Originally by: Joerd Toastius "You are weak as a group" problem found Huh? I figured you were just doing a Yoda impression there. If what I said's not what you meant, what did you mean? I'll mail you later if you really want me to explain, i'll only get cried at for smacking if post it here (ppl never like to hear opinions if they arent "OMG YOUR UBER") and the mods have already nerfed me once for drifting off topic _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Siva Calentis The Pikey Rebellion	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:20:00 - [100] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: thoth foc weak you are as groups.. Originally by: Joerd Toastius "You are weak as a group" problem found Huh? I figured you were just doing a Yoda impression there. If what I said's not what you meant, what did you mean? I'll mail you later if you really want me to explain, i'll only get cried at for smacking if post it here (ppl never like to hear opinions if they arent "OMG YOUR UBER") and the mods have already nerfed me once for drifting off topic I think they just get tired of the same peopel going on about the same old crap constantly. Take the hint, people heard your oppinion in just about every thread and they care no more for it now than they did then. Just be quiet and pew pew with your main for god sake! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The legend formally known as Naldo! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Xenofur Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:34:00 - [101] there actually is a short and simple way to put this: north = europe, everyone works together and flies under their own banner south = america, everyone works together and flies under the same banner in the end both are the same and the differences no more than semantics. to the person saying we do this for RL reasons: wrong, the reasons are completely ingame. we perceive bob as a threat to us (my alliance), and in the war we had a problem because tri was na^H^Hblue to our friends, and not to us. this problem was now solved. to the guys going "welcome to xxx". weak up and study history some more pls. TRI did not just now enter such a agreement with the north, they already had it for a few weeks and just now completed it with FLA. you're a bit late guys...
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:51:00 - [102] At the risk of getting too much into RL stuff, I think the best RL parallel to the North, in purely organisational terms, is NATO. That's basically how things work up there. I don't think we're integrated enough to use an "EU" analogy - no real central government, not so much economic integration, and less unified standard-setting. The more common model (take for example XETIC, from what I know of it) seems to be one broadly similar in outline to the USSR - lots of seperate "nations" but all unified under a central command structure with the individual nations having very little independent decision-making and not much say at an international level. It's just a different way of doing things - most alliances in the North don't want to be ruled by a centralised bureaucracy, they don't see eye-to-eye on absolutely everything and they don't want to be anonymous "member corps" - there's a strong individualist streak among the various alliances. But, at the same time, we're committed to mutual military support, both because as most northern alliances are smaller than the average superpower, and because we're all genuinely friends who look out for each other. We're not going to blob together into one big mega-alliance just to appease the "ololo naps" crowd, or become "residents" and make one alliance nominal sovereign over the whole area, because it would change nothing in real terms, and it'd go against our principles.
Manfred Sideous 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.09 17:29:00 - [103] More Zerglings or more Targets? Your Sig Here?
Raketefrau Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 17:50:00 - [104] Why the hell should we stand alone? We don't have the same "ours is bigger" need as a lot of the corps/alliances in Eve, and there's nothing wrong with that. This attitude that naps == weak is just ridiculous. Politics aren't as simple as "we can beat the crap out of everyone." If they were, this would be a very boring game. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Valorem ([email protected])
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.03.09 19:00:00 - [105] Originally by: Raketefrau Why the hell should we stand alone? We don't have the same "ours is bigger" need as a lot of the corps/alliances in Eve, and there's nothing wrong with that. This attitude that naps == weak is just ridiculous. Politics aren't as simple as "we can beat the crap out of everyone." If they were, this would be a very boring game. Uniformity tend to be very boring no matter what the subject. Should we really post of our shock and disbelief about yet another northern NAP? Anyway.. You disagree with the naps == weak premise, yet your own allies have already said how your agreements are more military defence agreements. Then you ask why should stand alone that you dont have the epeen complex etc. The simple answer is you shouldnt. why? because no one really would expects you could stand against the "big boys". Which is fair enough, my corp couldnt either.. Now when i say this, ppl cry smack.. but isnt this basically what you have just said also? Alot of my posts are as much to tease ppl, that will get upset about them.. most of which get upset without actually considering why.. if you are really confident in your choices and decisions then what others see as smack is just another opinion. Isnt that why so many replies are alts? because they are actually ashamed of their own opinions.. So i tip my hat for your confident reply.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Gamesguy Amarr E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.09 19:40:00 - [106] Originally by: thoth foc The difference is not lost on me, my references are simplified, to save me the unintersting task of explaining the difference.. It is actually your inability to stand alone that points to how weak you are as groups.. Groups like FIX etc. will always deserve much more respect than the likes of D2 and "northern slaves".. FIX are a group in themselves, more complete and capable than the 6.. 8.. 10 northern alliances that currently getting spanked about querious.. Were you there for the IRON/FIX war in december-early feb? We werent exactly losing, and it was us alone vs fix alone, no allies on either side(ok besides like 5 ppl from schism). The war ended when MC wardeced the north and DICE came down to help fix btw.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.03.09 20:42:00 - [107] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Raketefrau Why the hell should we stand alone? We don't have the same "ours is bigger" need as a lot of the corps/alliances in Eve, and there's nothing wrong with that. This attitude that naps == weak is just ridiculous. Politics aren't as simple as "we can beat the crap out of everyone." If they were, this would be a very boring game. Uniformity tend to be very boring no matter what the subject. Should we really post of our shock and disbelief about yet another northern NAP? Anyway.. You disagree with the naps == weak premise, yet your own allies have already said how your agreements are more military defence agreements. Then you ask why should stand alone that you dont have the epeen complex etc. The simple answer is you shouldnt. why? because no one really would expects you could stand against the "big boys". Which is fair enough, my corp couldnt either.. Now when i say this, ppl cry smack.. but isnt this basically what you have just said also? Alot of my posts are as much to tease ppl, that will get upset about them.. most of which get upset without actually considering why.. if you are really confident in your choices and decisions then what others see as smack is just another opinion. Isnt that why so many replies are alts? because they are actually ashamed of their own opinions.. So i tip my hat for your confident reply.. The fact is being red to everyone and shooting everything and essentially not making a great deal of difference got quite boring. Shooting the enemy is more of a challenge, and to be quite honest if we have to NAP certain alliances for the time being to get the job done then thats whats going to happen. FLA have been NAP'd for two reasons. One we'll be operating in the same area. Two we nearly nailed an FLA freighter which it turned out was resupplying friends down south. This would not have been acceptable. Coming from a BoB member (and im going to assume this is the only char of yours not in BoB because lets face it, noone cares this much) this smack means precisely squat considering who you NAP'd to take down the Trust outpost in EC-P. To everyone else, smack more. Then try and bring it ingame. Originally by: Ice Conch In soviet russia, soap drops you!
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.03.09 20:43:00 - [108] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Raketefrau Why the hell should we stand alone? We don't have the same "ours is bigger" need as a lot of the corps/alliances in Eve, and there's nothing wrong with that. This attitude that naps == weak is just ridiculous. Politics aren't as simple as "we can beat the crap out of everyone." If they were, this would be a very boring game. Uniformity tend to be very boring no matter what the subject. Should we really post of our shock and disbelief about yet another northern NAP? Anyway.. You disagree with the naps == weak premise, yet your own allies have already said how your agreements are more military defence agreements. Then you ask why should stand alone that you dont have the epeen complex etc. The simple answer is you shouldnt. why? because no one really would expects you could stand against the "big boys". Which is fair enough, my corp couldnt either. But if "naps = weak", BoB is "weak" because it's NAPed with LV, and RA is "weak" because it's NAPed with the Goons etc, no? And if by "weak" all you mean is "small", then I guess your point kinda stands, but I don't see how it's particularly interesting. Yes, most of the northern alliances are smaller than the southern mega-blobs... ok, so?
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.03.10 00:09:00 - [109] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Raketefrau Why the hell should we stand alone? We don't have the same "ours is bigger" need as a lot of the corps/alliances in Eve, and there's nothing wrong with that. This attitude that naps == weak is just ridiculous. Politics aren't as simple as "we can beat the crap out of everyone." If they were, this would be a very boring game. Uniformity tend to be very boring no matter what the subject. Should we really post of our shock and disbelief about yet another northern NAP? Anyway.. You disagree with the naps == weak premise, yet your own allies have already said how your agreements are more military defence agreements. Then you ask why should stand alone that you dont have the epeen complex etc. The simple answer is you shouldnt. why? because no one really would expects you could stand against the "big boys". Which is fair enough, my corp couldnt either. But if "naps = weak", BoB is "weak" because it's NAPed with LV, and RA is "weak" because it's NAPed with the Goons etc, no? And if by "weak" all you mean is "small", then I guess your point kinda stands, but I don't see how it's particularly interesting. Yes, most of the northern alliances are smaller than the southern mega-blobs... ok, so? As hired goon said, not every agreement is the same.. as i previously said, i use NAP as a simplication... And btw using RA as an example isnt prolly the best in my case, I havent fought RA since ATUK lived in the region, but at the time they avoided fighting us at all costs, choosing to POS spam instead.. maybe they have improved, unfortunately i wont take forum propaganda as evident of that.. @Phrixus Zephyr: as i mailed you, your assumption that i am still a member is bob is incorrect, apart from that I agree shooting an enemy is far more interesting than shooting randoms.. i guess this is why this is my first period outside alliance politics.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Admentus Cor'vion Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.10 00:28:00 - [110] Originally by: Ace Frehley you build a nudepile togheter.. that sounds better?? I wonder if this guy sounds like Borat in Teamspeak. "Now is time in gang where we make the sexy time!" "Very Nice!"

laotse shangdi	Posted - 2007.03.10 01:08:00 - [111] chicken 80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Puncher hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.10 01:32:00 - [112] Originally by: thoth foc Groups like FIX etc. will always deserve much more respect than the likes of D2 and "northern slaves".. FIX are a group in themselves, more complete and capable than the 6.. 8.. 10 northern alliances that currently getting spanked about querious.. I cannot imagine that this is a serious statement? Apparently it has been quite some time since you have taken a look at FIX's killboard; I am at a loss to explain how an entire alliance ends up negative week after week in K:D ratio for essentially every ship class... hirr Morsus Mihi
SumDum Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.10 01:56:00 - [113] /me dies under the weight of the off-topic & /quote spam avalanche ...funeral on tuesday Anyway, thanks to the diplomats on both sides for getting this done. Cheers to being absent from TRI overviews for awhile, and possibly even flying alongside some of you guys!
5amm The Archaeological Squirrel Society	Posted - 2007.06.19 05:28:00 - [114] Thats just beautiful Raiders of the Lost Nut
Radeberger Caldari I Care...... Seriously i do	Posted - 2007.06.19 05:46:00 - [115] Originally by: 5amm Thats just beautiful of course the necro's come out during the extended DT Is this a sig? i think not
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.19 06:46:00 - [116] well tri is now what netural to all d2 and iron are no more and all it took was about the same time it took to crush ASCN
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.19 07:49:00 - [117] Originally by: band0fdevs well tri is now what netural to all d2 and iron are no more and all it took was about the same time it took to crush ASCN Well tri aint neutral to us, but thats good so at least we can shoot eachother
band0fdevs Gallente Band of Dev's	Posted - 2007.06.19 08:22:00 - [118] Originally by: Gumpy Nighthawk Originally by: band0fdevs well tri is now what netural to all d2 and iron are no more and all it took was about the same time it took to crush ASCN Well tri aint neutral to us, but thats good so at least we can shoot eachother true and maybe provides something for the GBC to get involved in, dragging them into smaller regional disputes could prove interesting
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.19 09:20:00 - [119] Originally by: 5amm Thats just beautiful and a magnificent 3 month necro there no mods please
Helganstandt InNova Tech Inc	Posted - 2007.06.19 09:30:00 - [120] I'm eagerly awaiting the next necro. I've just about pee'd my pants in anticipation of what kind of wonderful irony will be bestowed upon us.



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