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Aux Aliette
DED
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Posted - 2016.07.24 16:36:05 -
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Good afternoon capsuleers,
In recent weeks we've seen an increase in reports regarding personal attacks, nationalist abuse, baiting, racism and unfounded allegations made against a number of GalNET users.
This is a short and direct reminder for those capsuleers who choose to utilize the Intergalactic Summit that there are rules in place, and these rules will be adhered to.
While the Communications Relay Committee tends to take a more passive approach to moderation of the Intergalactic Summit, favoring open freedom of speech and expression, it would appear that a number of independent pilots have taken in upon themselves to take advantage of this.
Please be aware that failure to adhere to the rules laid out by the Communications Relay Committee may result in your pilot CISC being suspended from accessing the Intergalactic Summit either temporarily or permanently, depending on the severity of the breach of communications policy.
In addition to this, temporary or permanent suspension of flight status may also be invoked by the DED in extraordinary cases where warranted.
The Communications Relay Committee encourages anyone who feels that a breach of the rules has taken place to report it through the proper channels. However, please be aware that repeated, targeted reporting against individuals whose viewpoints you do not agree with will be treated as a breach of the CRC Communications policy, and will be actioned as is appropriate.
Please ensure you read and fully understand the CRC Communications policy before utilizing the Intergalactic Summit further.
There will be no questions answered regarding this reminder at this time, however this thread will remain open for discussion.
Regards,
Aux Aliette
IGS Communications Director
Communications Relay Committee
Directive Enforcement Department
CONCORD Assembly
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
145
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Posted - 2016.07.24 16:41:24 -
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Cool! Thanks. It's gotten pretty bad. Maybe this will improve the quality of the Summit. Just maybe.
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
Evictus.
216
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Posted - 2016.07.24 16:46:01 -
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Oh well this is welcomed news. Hopefully it signals a change in course for the igs and not just a Stern reminder. |
Halfrek Foley
Hematology Advancement Program
Bleeders
57
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Posted - 2016.07.24 17:06:19 -
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt wrote:Cool! Thanks. It's gotten pretty bad. Maybe this will improve the quality of the Summit. Just maybe.
Only the quality of posts can improve the quality. This will just force less people to post here. So while it may improve quality for ded and freedom supporters, by eliminating any opposite perspectives, it will degrade to less frequent and less quality posts in general. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
Evictus.
219
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Posted - 2016.07.24 18:06:57 -
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At no point in that post is there anything that hints at opposition suppression. All it says is get your point across in a polite manner. If you can't do that then I suggest etiquette classes. |
Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
Rote Kapelle
489
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Posted - 2016.07.24 19:36:44 -
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Halfrek Foley wrote:
Only the quality of posts can improve the quality. This will just force less people to post here. So while it may improve quality for ded and freedom supporters, by eliminating any opposite perspectives, it will degrade to less frequent and less quality posts in general.
People are allowed to have contrarian opinions and are free to express them, in a polite and meaningful way. That is not being referred to by the OP.
Also, claiming that the enforcing of established rules will decrease the number of active posters is a fallacy. The number of active posters has declined because of the ongoing breeches of etiquette as well as breaking the established rules as set forth by the Communications Relay Committee.
Please realize that posting to this forum is a privilege and not a right and that your privilege can be revoked if you are found in breech of those rules.
Feel free to disagree with people, but keep it polite and on point.
We travel in the dark of the new moon,
A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
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Ria Nieyli
45756
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Posted - 2016.07.24 20:02:56 -
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Are people that abuse the report system going to be subjected to the same penalties as abberant posters?
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
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Halfrek Foley
Hematology Advancement Program
Bleeders
57
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Posted - 2016.07.24 21:55:41 -
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Steffanie Saissore wrote:Halfrek Foley wrote:
Only the quality of posts can improve the quality. This will just force less people to post here. So while it may improve quality for ded and freedom supporters, by eliminating any opposite perspectives, it will degrade to less frequent and less quality posts in general.
People are allowed to have contrarian opinions and are free to express them, in a polite and meaningful way. That is not being referred to by the OP. Also, claiming that the enforcing of established rules will decrease the number of active posters is a fallacy. The number of active posters has declined because of the ongoing breeches of etiquette as well as breaking the established rules as set forth by the Communications Relay Committee. Please realize that posting to this forum is a privilege and not a right and that your privilege can be revoked if you are found in breech of those rules. Feel free to disagree with people, but keep it polite and on point.
Our corporation only follows Covenant Law, the DED has no say in what we do. As a director of Hematology Advancement Program, I am prohibiting any of our members from further posting in the DED controlled Intergalactic Summit forum and chat channel. Any member breaking our rules will be dealt with by the fullest extent of Covenant Law!
So the number of active posters from us will decline because of the DED's proposed enforcement! |
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
454
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Posted - 2016.07.24 22:29:11 -
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Halfrek Foley wrote:
Our corporation only follows Covenant Law, the DED has no say in what we do.
That's cute.
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Sanguina Dieudonne
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2016.07.25 01:30:11 -
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Halfrek Foley wrote:Our corporation only follows Covenant Law, the DED has no say in what we do. As a director of Hematology Advancement Program, I am prohibiting any of our members from further posting in the DED controlled Intergalactic Summit forum and chat channel. Any member breaking our rules will be dealt with by the fullest extent of Covenant Law!
So the number of active posters from us will decline because of the DED's proposed enforcement! A wise choice. One I fully support.
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
647
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Posted - 2016.07.25 03:00:40 -
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Thank you.
Pretty sad that this was really necessary, and I suspect the small handful of people causing this problem for the rest of us (one unnamed person in particular) are too stubborn to change and we will eventually not be seeing them around if enforcement ramps up.
And, it's sad to say it, but nothing of value will be lost.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
647
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Posted - 2016.07.25 03:02:50 -
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Halfrek Foley wrote:
So the number of active posters from us will decline because of the DED's proposed enforcement!
Bye Felicia.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Utari Onzo
Pentag Blade
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1245
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Posted - 2016.07.25 05:59:00 -
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Steffanie Saissore wrote:
Also, claiming that the enforcing of established rules will decrease the number of active posters is a fallacy. The number of active posters has declined because of the ongoing breeches of etiquette as well as breaking the established rules as set forth by the Communications Relay Committee.
Please realize that posting to this forum is a privilege and not a right and that your privilege can be revoked if you are found in breech of those rules.
Feel free to disagree with people, but keep it polite and on point.
Couldn't agree more. The blatant level of toxicity and pettiness that's regularly on display on these forums has severely curtailed my enjoyment of it. Thing is, this goes just as much towards the usual suspects as those that poke at them with sticks to get a rise out of them.
If moderation improves, or at the very least actually starts happening (as I have seen very few examples of moderation here despite multiple threads entering the realm of farce and poison) then I might enjoy the place more.
"Face the enemy as a solid wall
For faith is your armor
And through it, the enemy will find no breach
Wrap your arms around the enemy
For faith is your fire
And with it, burn away his evil"
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2737
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Posted - 2016.07.25 09:08:50 -
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I believe there are several provocative discussion threads that shall be locked and/or deleted from the IGS front page.
I hope the situation will improve now.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
851
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Posted - 2016.07.25 14:18:12 -
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Halfrek Foley wrote:So the number of active posters from us will decline because of the DED's proposed enforcement! Yeah, I'm sure it has nothing to do with this:Halfrek Foley wrote:As a director of Hematology Advancement Program, I am prohibiting any of our members from further posting in the DED controlled Intergalactic Summit forum and chat channel. Any member breaking our rules will be dealt with by the fullest extent of Covenant Law! _
Utari Onzo wrote:If moderation improves, or at the very least actually starts happening (as I have seen very few examples of moderation here despite multiple threads entering the realm of farce and poison) then I might enjoy the place more. Well, I'm thinking that we may have a considerable part to play in this:Aux Aliette wrote:While the Communications Relay Committee tends to take a more passive approach to moderation of the Intergalactic Summit [..] The Communications Relay Committee encourages anyone who feels that a breach of the rules has taken place to report it through the proper channels. Some people may have stopped reporting as much as they used to. I'm frequenting another forum for capsuleers, where a situation occured that looks a bit similar to me: people complained about a lack of moderation, the mods responded that they were not getting reports of bad posts.
Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation
Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2016
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Posted - 2016.07.27 21:24:33 -
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I, Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, Goddess of the IGS, most beloved by some, source of ire for others, hereby endorse this reminder and support the actions of my minions.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
79
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Posted - 2016.07.28 00:40:20 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:I, Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, Goddess of the IGS, most beloved by some, source of ire for others, hereby endorse this reminder and support the actions of my minions.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
8508
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Posted - 2016.07.28 14:51:12 -
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Wow. I wish Aliette showed as much regard for the people Kim constantly harasses, hounds, and drives away as for Kim.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
80
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Posted - 2016.07.28 16:03:12 -
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Me too |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
8516
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Posted - 2016.07.28 16:07:52 -
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After some additional thought, let's see how this plays out. It may be that Aliette intends a new effort in Summit moderation, and Galente kept running while Kim's actually quieted down.
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Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
Rote Kapelle
495
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Posted - 2016.07.28 16:09:24 -
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Halfrek Foley wrote:
Our corporation only follows Covenant Law, the DED has no say in what we do. As a director of Hematology Advancement Program, I am prohibiting any of our members from further posting in the DED controlled Intergalactic Summit forum and chat channel. Any member breaking our rules will be dealt with by the fullest extent of Covenant Law!
So the number of active posters from us will decline because of the DED's proposed enforcement!
You do realize that by posting to this forum, you agree to abide by the rules set forth by the DED? But please, by all means, continue to believe that you are not held accountable to the DED rules.
We travel in the dark of the new moon,
A starry highway traced on the map of the sky
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2737
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Posted - 2016.07.28 19:12:40 -
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I would like to express gratitude to CONCORD for their operation and closure of disturbing thread.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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iyammarrok
Mining Company
The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron
440
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Posted - 2016.07.28 21:05:03 -
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Aux, Speak to Graelyn.
There is some insight to be gained there.
-Tertianus Rethelior.
Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
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Aux Aliette
DED
34
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Posted - 2016.07.29 10:31:06 -
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A reminder to those who complain about biased CRC moderation:
Aux Aliette wrote:The Communications Relay Committee encourages anyone who feels that a breach of the rules has taken place to report it through the proper channels. However, please be aware that repeated, targeted reporting against individuals whose viewpoints you do not agree with will be treated as a breach of the CRC Communications policy, and will be actioned as is appropriate.
Those that have been reported have been actioned as is appropriate.
IGS Communications Director-á ||-á Directive Enforcement Department-á ||-á CONCORD Assembly
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
8528
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Posted - 2016.07.29 17:20:15 -
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Is it possible to ask of the disposition of previous reports, such as those I made approximately a week ago?
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution
Evictus.
235
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Posted - 2016.07.29 19:48:04 -
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Aux Aliette wrote:A reminder to those who complain about biased CRC moderation: Aux Aliette wrote:The Communications Relay Committee encourages anyone who feels that a breach of the rules has taken place to report it through the proper channels. However, please be aware that repeated, targeted reporting against individuals whose viewpoints you do not agree with will be treated as a breach of the CRC Communications policy, and will be actioned as is appropriate. Those that have been reported have been actioned as is appropriate.
I'm a little confused by this. Do you mean to say that if someone reports a person who repeatedly breaches the CRC communications policy is effectively shielded from being reported on over and over?
I find this a little troubling as you are discouraging people from reporting offences for fear that their reporting could be considered an offence in-and-of itself.
Could you possibly clarify this rule a little more. Would a person who report a person for multiple similar offences risk punishment themselves? This seems wildly nonconstructive to what you are trying to achieve with this new initiative.
Regard,
K. Amsel
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Ria Nieyli
45806
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Posted - 2016.07.29 20:31:57 -
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And people shall carry on, none the wiser.
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
858
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Posted - 2016.08.11 15:26:39 -
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Due in no small part to their proclivity for pushing the boundaries, Gallente artistry has become so elaborate that, to many members of New Eden's other nations, it seems virtually unintelligible.
As an example, in many Gallente narratives, the story is embedded withing layers of satire-upon-meaning-upon-satire and predicated upon subtle movement and form. As a result, the whole endeavor of the audience becomes less about following the plot and more about how to interpret the piece based on the nuances of its presentation. For this reason, whereas a typical Gallente may sit rapt over the latest Gallente holoreel, a non-Gallente might watch the same thing and perceive little to have happened at all. Furthermore, in mamy Gallente works these convolutions will turn in on themselves several times, creating meta layers of meaning that Gallente love to mull over, but which seem like vacuous pretension to those less interested in the intricacies of analysis.
Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that.
Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation
Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
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Arkoth 24
Phayder
227
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Posted - 2016.08.11 21:07:03 -
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Jason Galente wrote:And, it's sad to say it, but nothing of value will be lost.
What an irony.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2030
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Posted - 2016.08.11 23:55:11 -
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Che Biko wrote:Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that.
That because when I created him I forgot to add any depth of personality, humor, and the ability to make or understand emotionally based decisions. So he's effectively a bot designed to lock threads and ban people.... I did leave the ability to develop those things, but it seems it didn't take. My apologies, it's to late to fix now though.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
90
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Posted - 2016.08.12 02:40:50 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Che Biko wrote:Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that. That because when I created him I forgot to add any depth of personality, humor, and the ability to make or understand emotionally based decisions. So he's effectively a bot designed to lock threads and ban people.... I did leave the ability to develop those things, but it seems it didn't take. My apologies, it's to late to fix now though.
Then kill him and make a new and better one |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2033
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Posted - 2016.08.12 14:31:13 -
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Slayer Liberator wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Che Biko wrote:Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that. That because when I created him I forgot to add any depth of personality, humor, and the ability to make or understand emotionally based decisions. So he's effectively a bot designed to lock threads and ban people.... I did leave the ability to develop those things, but it seems it didn't take. My apologies, it's to late to fix now though. Then kill him and make a new and better one
Do you have any idea how difficult it is to make one of those?
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
90
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Posted - 2016.08.12 15:10:27 -
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Claudia Osyn wrote:Slayer Liberator wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Che Biko wrote:Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that. That because when I created him I forgot to add any depth of personality, humor, and the ability to make or understand emotionally based decisions. So he's effectively a bot designed to lock threads and ban people.... I did leave the ability to develop those things, but it seems it didn't take. My apologies, it's to late to fix now though. Then kill him and make a new and better one Do you have any idea how difficult it is to make one of those?
No but where I come from the repair person destroys any complacated broken stuff and just gets a new one I thought that was the easiest solution |
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2036
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Posted - 2016.08.12 18:48:51 -
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Slayer Liberator wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Slayer Liberator wrote:Claudia Osyn wrote:Che Biko wrote:Hmm, Aux Aliette sounds Gallente...looks Gallente...but seemingly he either has become so cosmopolitan that he's lost some touch with Gallente artistry, or he is so busy that he did not have time to do a proper analysis. Funny to see Tuulinen having a better grasp on that. That because when I created him I forgot to add any depth of personality, humor, and the ability to make or understand emotionally based decisions. So he's effectively a bot designed to lock threads and ban people.... I did leave the ability to develop those things, but it seems it didn't take. My apologies, it's to late to fix now though. Then kill him and make a new and better one Do you have any idea how difficult it is to make one of those? No but where I come from the repair person destroys any complacated broken stuff and just gets a new one I thought that was the easiest solution
That only works if the thing you've broke is mass produced. Unique snowflakes are harder to replace.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Slayer Liberator
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
92
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Posted - 2016.08.12 21:10:07 -
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Oh right |
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
619
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Posted - 2016.09.06 05:42:16 -
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What wonderful news, civility will once again reign on the IGS.
Ideas can have their day in the court of public opinion without every thinker being personally flamed.
This is very good news, I hope they enforce it, and I hope it needs little enforcement because we all try to do better on our own as well.
"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts,
we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part,
revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
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Charles Cambridge Schmidt
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
226
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Posted - 2016.09.26 00:44:27 -
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So did this thread end up just being lip service after all?
I don't care what you think, as long as it's about me.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
579
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Posted - 2016.09.30 06:36:04 -
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I am formally protesting the fact that any killmail linked is treated as a derailment of topic. Kills are the catalyst and result of much of new eden's activity and the fact I cannot use them in argument is ridiculous.
This rule panders to the safe high-sec pilot and ignores how relevant they are to the daily life of every other pilot. Being able to use empirical data in an argument to demonstrate a point is crucial. Instead I just get posts removed.
This is just a means for those alliances seeking investors who cannot defend their assets and those terrorists who cannot construct a reliable detonator to act unimpeded regardless of facts of the events. CONCORD's information about ship losses should not be restricted on the IGS.
"Though dissuaded, I came. Though perilous, I served. Though beset, I persevered. Though denied, I believed."
- The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 12:18
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Matar Ronin
1959
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Posted - 2016.10.03 19:17:20 -
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Posting kill mails is not allowed.
To formally protest what you have agreed to is far from reasonable.
Find a way to make your point within the rules.
If not, create your own version of IGS and make up your own rules.
Nothing stops you from doing that. See how many participants you can gather.
I suspect the numbers will not come close to the numbers here on IGS.
Breaking the rules and bending them to our will is always an adolescent thrill, but eventually reality demands we rise above the short cuts of youthful passions and make more thoughtful arguments that can persuade and not just annoy or embarrass. Kill mails do far more of the latter and very little of the former. They have no place on IGS.
IGS participants should be able to keep to the usage agreement, period.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2095
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Posted - 2016.10.03 20:16:21 -
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Ayallah wrote:I am formally protesting the fact that any killmail linked is treated as a derailment of topic. Kills are the catalyst and result of much of new eden's activity and the fact I cannot use them in argument is ridiculous.
This rule panders to the safe high-sec pilot and ignores how relevant they are to the daily life of every other pilot. Being able to use empirical data in an argument to demonstrate a point is crucial. Instead I just get posts removed.
This is just a means for those alliances seeking investors who cannot defend their assets and those terrorists who cannot construct a reliable detonator to act unimpeded regardless of facts of the events. CONCORD's information about ship losses should not be restricted on the IGS.
I Claudia Amelia Testarossa Wingate Lillithella Osyn MDCXXXIV, Goddess of the IGS, hear your protest and will take it into consideration.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Jason Galente
Hole Riders
Spaceship Samurai
816
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Posted - 2016.10.04 16:29:47 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Posting kill mails is not allowed.
To formally protest what you have agreed to is far from reasonable.
Find a way to make your point within the rules.
If not, create your own version of IGS and make up your own rules.
Nothing stops you from doing that. See how many participants you can gather.
I suspect the numbers will not come close to the numbers here on IGS.
Breaking the rules and bending them to our will is always an adolescent thrill, but eventually reality demands we rise above the short cuts of youthful passions and make more thoughtful arguments that can persuade and not just annoy or embarrass. Kill mails do far more of the latter and very little of the former. They have no place on IGS.
IGS participants should be able to keep to the usage agreement, period.
You missed the point entirely. Users of a service can petition the owner of the service to change the terms of the usage agreement towards something more suitable. If the owner of the service, in a free market, ignores these requests and enough of the users support the requests, they'll have a hard time keeping their membership. However, the DED has a monopoly here. So instead, what will happen, what has always happened, is that activity on the Summit will go down the more the clueless DED officials ignore and even punish people for wanting to express themselves.
There is nothing absurd at all about a user wanting a change to the terms of the usage agreement. It is an agreement between two parties and as such, either relevant party is perfectly within their rights to request a change as it relates to their preferences. The DED can choose to deny that request, but the user can still make that request.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Matar Ronin
2221
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Posted - 2016.10.17 17:12:14 -
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Jason Galente wrote:Matar Ronin wrote:Posting kill mails is not allowed.
To formally protest what you have agreed to is far from reasonable.
Find a way to make your point within the rules.
If not, create your own version of IGS and make up your own rules.
Nothing stops you from doing that. See how many participants you can gather.
I suspect the numbers will not come close to the numbers here on IGS.
Breaking the rules and bending them to our will is always an adolescent thrill, but eventually reality demands we rise above the short cuts of youthful passions and make more thoughtful arguments that can persuade and not just annoy or embarrass. Kill mails do far more of the latter and very little of the former. They have no place on IGS.
IGS participants should be able to keep to the usage agreement, period. You missed the point entirely. Users of a service can petition the owner of the service to change the terms of the usage agreement towards something more suitable. If the owner of the service, in a free market, ignores these requests and enough of the users support the requests, they'll have a hard time keeping their membership. However, the DED has a monopoly here. So instead, what will happen, what has always happened, is that activity on the Summit will go down the more the clueless DED officials ignore and even punish people for wanting to express themselves. There is nothing absurd at all about a user wanting a change to the terms of the usage agreement. It is an agreement between two parties and as such, either relevant party is perfectly within their rights to request a change as it relates to their preferences. The DED can choose to deny that request, but the user can still make that request. You missed the bigger point. Users are not forced to use the service. Do as you agreed or not do at all. Not complicated.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
Mighty Wings.
5991
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Posted - 2016.12.01 13:56:46 -
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If the authorities refuse to actually moderate their forum, the apalling state the IGS is currently in will persist indefinitely. If you refuse to fix this mess, to whom are we supposed to turn?
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Elanion
61
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Posted - 2016.12.01 15:14:58 -
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When strategic employment of the block feature on 3-4 pilots effectively removes 70-80% of the content on IGS, you know the service has lost any notion of its monicker. Nothing of value will be achieved here, and clowns have made easy entertainment for the masses since long before DED existed.
My only suggestion is to return to the salon. Small, semi-regular meetings, in person and by invitation only, to discuss matters of culture and policy.
RIP YC111-115 GÇó "The project discarded, its subjects forgotten... thence must the burden be shouldered."
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
635
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Posted - 2016.12.02 05:59:09 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:You missed the bigger point. Users are not forced to use the service. Do as you agreed or not do at all. Not complicated. Brilliant analysis. What people are asking for is a change in policy.
As strength goes.
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Matar Ronin
3344
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Posted - 2016.12.02 06:23:37 -
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Follow the rules you agreed to or head for the exits either way stop all the whining.
GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ
" We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
Mighty Wings.
6003
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Posted - 2016.12.02 09:10:45 -
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Matar Ronin wrote:Follow the rules you agreed to or head for the exits either way stop all the whining.
We are following the rules. What's concerning is that a few people are quite blatantly not, and are being given free reign to abuse others while the authorities do nothing.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1807
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Posted - 2016.12.02 10:33:54 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote: a few people
Oh yes, of course.
Those people.
It's always those people, who are to blame.
Yes, indeed, those people, who ruin everything by their behaviour.
Why, look at all the things that are posted elsewhere, on more actively moderated fora, without the participation of those people. The content there is so much higher quality than here.
Actively moderated fora such as:
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty.
Mighty Wings.
6005
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Posted - 2016.12.02 12:45:31 -
[49] - Quote
On other CRC-moderated fora where the CRC proscriptions against thread derailment and repeated harassment are actively enforced, the content is indeed of a higher quality. So thanks for asking.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1807
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Posted - 2016.12.02 13:53:51 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:other CRC-moderated fora where the CRC proscriptions against thread derailment and repeated harassment are actively enforced
Including such well known fora as:
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Andreus Ixiris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
6005
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Posted - 2016.12.02 15:16:01 -
[51] - Quote
See the little taskbar above the IGS where it says "Forums" and "Communication Center?"
Click on those. Look at any of the other CRC-moderated channels they offer.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Jason Galente
Hole Riders
Spaceship Samurai
928
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Posted - 2016.12.03 08:58:00 -
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I'd just like to point out that I spend most of my time these days on The Summit, not the Intergalactic Summit, because on The Summit, those 2-3 people consistently at the root of most dramatic problems are banned. And I can actually have useful conversations with nice people there. And the salon idea as well, meetings in person are so much more productive. Usually the mark of who is NOT a part of those people as Valerie put it, is that they are actually willing to meet you in a civil setting and behave in a civil manner. If they can't tolerate the presence of a significant number of people enough to do that, usually they're one of those people.
I see your point Valerie, but sometimes the shoe does fit.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1807
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Posted - 2016.12.03 12:41:45 -
[53] - Quote
Oh, Thal had a birthday party ? When was that ?
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Andreus Ixiris
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
6023
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Posted - 2016.12.03 14:31:58 -
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Jason Galente wrote:I see your point Valerie, but sometimes the shoe does fit.
There is no "point." Literally the only people who agitate so vociferously against proper forum moderation are those likely to lose their ability to post on it if it was imposed.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
Sani-Sabik
1807
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Posted - 2016.12.03 15:30:06 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Jason Galente wrote:I see your point Valerie, but sometimes the shoe does fit. There is no "point." Literally the only people who agitate so vociferously against proper forum moderation are those likely to lose their ability to post on it if it was imposed.
Factually wrong.
Unlike Admiral Noir, you missed what you were aiming for.
See.
There have been more than a few projects, where people have said "The IGS is terrible, let's make a thing without those people in it", and people go "yeah!" in agreement. After much hoohah, said thing is made and then...
None of the people who complained about the "quality" of the IGS actually post anything on the forum that aspired to be better, with a more rigorous moderation regime. 26 threads in 18 months, across 4 fora.
Given the opportunity to post their quality content in a venue away from those people, the people complaining about the IGS, did nothing.
The moderation is not the issue here.
It's easy for a single airhorn to drown out a solo flute. A single airhorn cannot drown out a massed flute band.
In fact, let us suppose that the CRC did indeed ban all of those people.
Do you think anyone would actually post anything ?
I, for one, am sceptical, given the lack of postings on venues where the "proper forum moderation", was in place.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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morion
Lighting Build
174
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Posted - 2017.01.05 19:57:36 -
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Valerie Valate you almost stay in character /
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