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Takakura Hirohito
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Posted - 2007.03.09 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Takakura Hirohito on 09/03/2007 15:50:20
What do you call a corporation that flies with recognized pirate corps, shares comm channels and gangs with them, flies through their gate camps without a shot being fired? They're certainly not victims they sound more like allies and despite constant denials to the contrary the facts make it obvious they are pirates or at least pirate allies. The Star Fraction alliance has been around Eve longer than the four months I've been playing but I've read alot of the RP history and general history of Eve going back several years to try and find a good RP corp to go with. Once I even considered the Star Fraction as one of those corps but honestly they toss our more excuses than a politician caught taking a bribe with the biggest excuse being we're not pirates well I can say they sure look like pirates to me.
In researching thousands of forum posts going back three years I've looked at how corporations turn pirate and how they try and justify it with some saying hey we're pirates now and others skirting around the facts denying it while carrying out piracy. The Star Fraction isn't really doing piracy as typically defined because they're not actually using the NBSI line yet they camp gates with pirates like the Black Rabbits and Sanguine Legion and they're now in bed quite literally with the Sani Sabbik blood alliance who used to be the Verisum Family who were known for camping gates and hiring pirate mercenaries in the not to distant RP past of Eve. When you ask what I mean by in bed quite literally you just need to read this to understand what I mean.
So if you camp gates with pirates who don't shoot you and align with pirates who don't shoot you and fly in gangs and share comms with pirates who don't shoot you what does that make you? Pirates by their very definition shoot anything that moves regardless of corp standing and affiliation with the general NBSI mentality. Here comes a freighter lets kill it and get the other guys while your at it. The term gate camp is most often used to describe the activity of pirates camping a gate looking for easy ganks but it can be used by others also so it's not limited to pirates but what about a coporation camping a gate with a pirate? Imagine your flying by and some pirates open fire on you killing your ship and you're sitting there in your pod and another ship flies up and they shoot at him but this time there are others sitting with the pirates also shooting at him. Why weren't they shot in the first place? They're allies. The Star Fraction has allied with pirates, camped gates with pirates, helped pirates with logistics and spies, helped supply pirates with discount ships and modules, after all what are friends for if not the help with a gate camp at least to give you cheap junk to use while you gank that deadly industrial or that new player in a newbie frig.
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Takakura Hirohito
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Posted - 2007.03.09 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Takakura Hirohito on 09/03/2007 15:49:03
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M00dy
Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.03.09 16:05:00 -
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No way, Star Fraction is all about the revolution. It has nothing to do with piracy.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.03.09 16:07:00 -
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When 20 people do it, its a pirate corp.
When 2000 people do it, its an NBSI alliance. 
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.09 17:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Herculite
When 20 people do it, its a pirate corp.
When 2000 people do it, its an NBSI alliance.
So the Star Fraction is a pirate corp.
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Mikojo
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.03.09 22:14:00 -
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Why does it matter?
I dont get why people think piracy is so evil and bad sometimes.
Fyi not saying they are pirates I just dont get when people act like "OMG PIRATES YOUR SO BAD".
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Ikasu
Gallente
The Durandal Organization
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Posted - 2007.03.09 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mikojo
Why does it matter?
I dont get why people think piracy is so evil and bad sometimes.
Fyi not saying they are pirates I just dont get when people act like "OMG PIRATES YOUR SO BAD".
Lets put it this way. Your some n00b flying around in a Catalyst comprised of every single ISK you have. You get high sec ganked or lose iy and that bad, foul taste of piracy will stay with you and you'll probably end up stereotyping most pie-wats . Most people get their opinions of piracy fairly early. There, an answer thats not saturated in my own opinion.
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Haffrage
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.09 22:22:00 -
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Remember, it's only bad if more people are against it than for it.
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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.03.09 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mikojo
Why does it matter?
I dont get why people think piracy is so evil and bad sometimes.
Fyi not saying they are pirates I just dont get when people act like "OMG PIRATES YOUR SO BAD".
Cause pirates are bad mmkay, they make a living off the suffering of others, to say there not bad is rediculous.
That said I have nothing against pirates and I think people need to give pirates more credit, its a hard job and makes eve more exciting, besides when I get bored of missions what would I do if there were no pirates to go hunt ?
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.03.09 22:44:00 -
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Pirates? In EVE?  This is terrible, terrible news.  Keelhaul them in RL!
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Posted - 2007.03.09 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Takakura Hirohito
What do you call a corporation that flies with recognized pirate corps, shares comm channels and gangs with them, flies through their gate camps without a shot being fired?
How about smart?
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.09 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
Originally by: Takakura Hirohito
What do you call a corporation that flies with recognized pirate corps, shares comm channels and gangs with them, flies through their gate camps without a shot being fired?
How about smart?
Personally I prefer the word hypocrite when describing SF.
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Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.09 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ikasu
Originally by: Mikojo
Why does it matter?
I dont get why people think piracy is so evil and bad sometimes.
Fyi not saying they are pirates I just dont get when people act like "OMG PIRATES YOUR SO BAD".
Lets put it this way. Your some n00b flying around in a Catalyst comprised of every single ISK you have. You get high sec ganked or lose iy and that bad, foul taste of piracy will stay with you and you'll probably end up stereotyping most pie-wats . Most people get their opinions of piracy fairly early. There, an answer thats not saturated in my own opinion.
In that case pirates really are bad, because it's them that make the whiners.
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Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.09 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian
Originally by: Herculite
When 20 people do it, its a pirate corp.
When 2000 people do it, its an NBSI alliance.
So the Star Fraction is a pirate corp.
Most definitly.
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Mistress Butterfly
Amarr
Khanidco
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Posted - 2007.03.10 05:55:00 -
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Pirates aren't so bad but it looks like these people are pretending not to be pirates when they really are allies of them according to the OP.
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Hel Wintersbane
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Posted - 2007.03.10 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mikojo
Why does it matter?
I dont get why people think piracy is so evil and bad sometimes.
Fyi not saying they are pirates I just dont get when people act like "OMG PIRATES YOUR SO BAD".
Well said
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Yucali
Candy Hearts
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Posted - 2007.03.10 06:30:00 -
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in before gigantic wall of text from some Star Fraction forum knight containing a bunch of pretentious made-up words
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Atandros
Gallente
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.10 06:32:00 -
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The Star Fraction does not, under any circumstances whatsoever, shoot entities which have not previously opened fire on it first. If a neutral-shooting incident does occur, as it has two or three times over our history, the victim is completely reimbursed and the offending alliance member either severely warned or expelled.
In light of that, this accusation of piracy which is composed of outright lies and half-truths but skirts any mention of the facts I mentioned above, is a very cheap smear attempt. Looking through the OP's posting history (every one of his posts bar one is an attack on SF) and his ingame info (member of Imperial Academy for several months, no standings, no bio) only cemented that impression for me.
Whatever the OP's motives, The Star Fraction ROE is clearly explained above. Draw your own conclusions, ladies and gentlemen. 
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.10 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Takakura Hirohito
What do you call a corporation that flies with recognized pirate corps, shares comm channels and gangs with them, flies through their gate camps without a shot being fired?
Originally by: Takakura Hirohito
They're certainly not victims they sound more like allies and despite constant denials to the contrary the facts make it obvious they are pirates or at least pirate allies
You just answered your own question. We are not pirates, we maintain a strict NRDS policy that means we only shoot -10s that come about from them shooting us. Blues and neutrals are not shot, even if they're obvious alt spies, and if by chance an accident does happen, we reimburse all losses to the satisfaction of the victim.
Originally by: Takakura Hirohito
Pirates by their very definition shoot anything that moves regardless of corp standing and affiliation with the general NBSI mentality.
We only shoot -10s, and we only set corporations and alliances to -10 if they have shot at us. Thus, when we shoot that person carrying a red minus sign, we're holding that person's organization responsible for their past actions. This is hardly in agreement with your definition of shooting things irregardless of corp standings and affiliation, so how are we pirates?
Originally by: Takakura Hirohito
They're allies. The Star Fraction has allied with pirates...
Mhmm.
Originally by: Takakura Hirohito
...camped gates with pirates...
Now, there are two circumstances which come to mind here, and event a few months back up in Mito regarding a freighter, where we did not shoot neutrals or blues...Or, during January when we were executing a POS takedown in lowsec Placid, and camped the gates of the system to prevent wartargets and wartargets only from entering?
Originally by: Takakura Hirohito
...helped pirates with logistics and spies...
Mhmm.
Originally by: Takakura Hirohito
...helped supply pirates with discount ships and modules...
Now this I don't buy, if you're going to write an article on pirates, you should at least offer examples and evidences to support your claims.
Here's the bottom line:
- We are not pirates
- We are pirate allies when our two organizations' interests converge
- We do not shoot neutrals or blues
- Your argument is self-contradicting
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Yucali
Candy Hearts
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Posted - 2007.03.10 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Yucali
in before gigantic wall of text from some Star Fraction forum knight containing a bunch of pretentious made-up words
called it
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.10 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 10/03/2007 06:32:40
Originally by: Yucali
Originally by: Yucali
in before gigantic wall of text from some Star Fraction forum knight containing a bunch of pretentious made-up words
called it
Yes you did  , at least with regards to the gigantic wall of text.
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.10 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yucali
Originally by: Yucali
in before gigantic wall of text from some Star Fraction forum knight containing a bunch of pretentious made-up words
called it
yeah, seriously, where would be the fun in made up words when you can use real ones people have to go scurrying to a dictionary for?
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Gallente
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.10 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ikasu
Originally by: Mikojo
Why does it matter?
I dont get why people think piracy is so evil and bad sometimes.
Fyi not saying they are pirates I just dont get when people act like "OMG PIRATES YOUR SO BAD".
Lets put it this way. Your some n00b flying around in a Catalyst comprised of every single ISK you have. You get high sec ganked or lose iy and that bad, foul taste of piracy will stay with you and you'll probably end up stereotyping most pie-wats . Most people get their opinions of piracy fairly early. There, an answer thats not saturated in my own opinion.
Ah. I was once that noob... about a week into the game... no idea of how low sec works... getting raped in a belt and having every isk i had ripped off by a griefer in a brutix... my poor poor catalyst... i felt angry... saddened... all kinds of crap... i wanted revenge, it took my the better part of a year to run into the guy but by chance i did... instead of suicide attacking him in high sec I talked to him and ended up joking with him about it...
The people who ***** here about "griefers" are the noobs who run high sec missions, never return to low sec, have no idea on 0.0 but comment anyway and stay all jaded and whiny for the rest of their eve lives.
I got killed a few more times.. went to 0.0... ganked a few people... and eventually became decent at 1 v 1 pvp... its the biggest thrill in eve. 200 v 200 is confusing and laggy but 1 v 1 is a rush you wont find in any other game.
So if you havent left high sec since getting pwned... do so now.. and dont whinge here if you die
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.10 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Yucali
Originally by: Yucali
in before gigantic wall of text from some Star Fraction forum knight containing a bunch of pretentious made-up words
called it
Your timing is so perfect. Teach us.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Solarflare Heavy Industries
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.03.10 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite
When 20 people do it, its a pirate corp.
When 2000 people do it, its an NBSI alliance.
Complete BS anyway. The pirates just want your stuff. The alliance wants you to friggin leave. If the pirates did that, they would be broke and moving on shortly. The comparison really doesnt hold at all.
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Posted - 2007.03.10 10:50:00 -
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Even if it's true, shouldn't it all remain in character?
Doesn't that just make them a corrupt alliance? Shouldn't this be in the RP forum?
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Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.10 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite
When 20 people do it, its a pirate corp.
When 2000 people do it, its an NBSI alliance.
 Thats so going to my signature soon™.
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Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.10 11:15:00 -
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A. Who cares what they do on their time, its a game.
B. Please stop criticizing others gameplay. Its Eve a free form MMORPG.
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Azure Skyclad
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.10 11:50:00 -
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This thread made me snort lol all over my keyboard.
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benzss
Gallente
Circular Destiny's
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Posted - 2007.03.10 12:02:00 -
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It usually just depends on the brand of pirate... I was killed in the first few weeks of playing the game by a pirate, and she convo'd me to give my stuff back and give me some advice. This has happened a couple of times since, but most pirates act like complete idiots in local, smacking everything that moves and then running away when somebody lands on top of them asking for a fight.
Probably a case of the minority making the whole group look bad.
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