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Fye'16
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Posted - 2016.07.25 14:56:42 -
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Hi all,
I've tried Googling this topic a few times and I've learnt a fair amount, but I'm struggling to find the answers to some specific questions...
I've been doing a fair amount of null-sec exploration recently and every now and then I come across gas sites. Right now I just move straight on - but I'm wondering whether I could start to make use of these sites and maybe turn some extra profit!
First question: Would this be a viable strategy?
1. Go around doing my usual exploration thing in my Buzzard until I find a Gas site. 2. Warp to the site, mark its location. 3. If the site has rats, come back in a fighting ship and kill them. 4. Come back to the site in a Venture and suck up all the gas. 5. Return to exploration in my Buzzard. 6. Ship the gas back to Jita in my blockade runner for much profit.
In my head right now this seems to be viable... though I've never actually tried fighting the rats at Gas sites which leads on to my second question: How big of a fighting ship do I need to bring? Is a cruiser sufficient or do I need something like a Drake?
Lastly - do the rats in these sites respawn? If I bring a fighting ship, kill the rats then come back in my venture, is there a risk that new rats will just spawn right on top of my like in an asteroid belt?
Thanks for any input anyone can have - this forum has been super useful to me so far, you guys are great!
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Sonya Corvinus
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Posted - 2016.07.25 15:47:06 -
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I make nearly 100% of my isk gas mining anymore, so a few pieces of advice. Take it for what it is, but this is what I do. Take a combat ship, a PvE ship, gas mining ship, and a scanning ship. The k-space rats in gas sites are about the same as the rats in ore sites, so a drake would be able to do the job. If you're paying attention, you easily have time to warp you venture out when rats spawn.
I personally live in WH space and do most of my mining there, so be careful when gas mining. sleepers spawn 15 minutes after the first person arrives at a gas site in wormholes, but there are also a LOT more gas sites, so you can make very good ISK simply mining each site for 15 minutes. There's a good 10 second window to jump out after they spawn, so you shouldn't lose a ship.
As far as ships go, I have a few lowsec bases set up for more relaxing gas mining in low-traveled places where I can jump into empty null, as well as roam around LS. Roam around in your scanning ship of choice (I have mine purely set up for scanning speed, no relic/data analyzer), scan everything and bookmark everything. After some time scanning and bookmarking, come back in your data/relic ship or venture/prospect (and train a prospect, it's definitely worth it) and do all the sites. I typically fight the rats in a PvP fit T3D or T3 cruiser, in case anyone else shows up, but they don't scam you, so grab your drake and give it a shot.
By far the biggest thing is to find somewhere you can dock up to house a half dozen ships or so, then get to know that LS/NS area. Gas can take up a decent chunk of cargo space, so I don't use a blockade runner, I use a deep space transport. I keep an eye out for WHs that lead to HS and simply avoid the risk completely of transporting loot through null or low. |

Fye'16
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Posted - 2016.07.25 16:09:25 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:I make nearly 100% of my isk gas mining anymore, so a few pieces of advice. Take it for what it is, but this is what I do. Take a combat ship, a PvE ship, gas mining ship, and a scanning ship. The k-space rats in gas sites are about the same as the rats in ore sites, so a drake would be able to do the job. If you're paying attention, you easily have time to warp you venture out when rats spawn.
I personally live in WH space and do most of my mining there, so be careful when gas mining. sleepers spawn 15 minutes after the first person arrives at a gas site in wormholes, but there are also a LOT more gas sites, so you can make very good ISK simply mining each site for 15 minutes. There's a good 10 second window to jump out after they spawn, so you shouldn't lose a ship.
As far as ships go, I have a few lowsec bases set up for more relaxing gas mining in low-traveled places where I can jump into empty null, as well as roam around LS. Roam around in your scanning ship of choice (I have mine purely set up for scanning speed, no relic/data analyzer), scan everything and bookmark everything. After some time scanning and bookmarking, come back in your data/relic ship or venture/prospect (and train a prospect, it's definitely worth it) and do all the sites. I typically fight the rats in a PvP fit T3D or T3 cruiser, in case anyone else shows up, but they don't scam you, so grab your drake and give it a shot.
By far the biggest thing is to find somewhere you can dock up to house a half dozen ships or so, then get to know that LS/NS area. Gas can take up a decent chunk of cargo space, so I don't use a blockade runner, I use a deep space transport. I keep an eye out for WHs that lead to HS and simply avoid the risk completely of transporting loot through null or low.
Just to check - you do this solo right? Switching ships every time you need to (meaning your 'base' must only be a few jumps away?).
This is how I was imagining doing it myself. I'm already well set up in 0.0 will plenty of resources/access to ships etc. |

Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
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Posted - 2016.07.25 16:18:18 -
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Fye'16 wrote:Just to check - you do this solo right? Switching ships every time you need to (meaning your 'base' must only be a few jumps away?).
This is how I was imagining doing it myself. I'm already well set up in 0.0 will plenty of resources/access to ships etc.
I'd strongly recommend joining a corp. 99% of the time we clear the rats from all gas sites as a corp and run them in groups for safety, etc., but I do have a few solo setups and that's what I'm describing now.
My favorite setup (which I selfishly won't give the location away to anyone) has a loop of 20 or so systems that are inhabited by people who live on the other side of the world from me, so most of the time I'm online they are completely empty. I found it when roaming around in a scanning ship, and there are stations I can use. When I am going solo, I typically fly the loop of 10-20 systems depending, scan every sig in those systems and bookmark every site I want to run, I then come back with a combat ship/gas mining ship/relic ship as needed.
And even saying that is somewhat of a lie, because I run multiple accounts at the same time, so I have one account scanning while the others run sites, but I'm writing this from the perspective of how someone with only one account would do it. Basically think 'batch processing'. Do all your scanning/bookmarking (and in low/null find and mark the location of every hostile pos/citadel, take notes on who owns it and what corp/alliance they are with) then run all the sites.
That's one reason why it's good to set up a base. It will take some time to get ships in and scout out who the local residents are and where their assets are that could potentially kill you, but once you have done that for that pocket of space, it's done and will probably save you from losing a few ships.
And for clarity (because this is definitely subjective) anything less than 15 jumps away I consider 'close' to whatever base of operations I'm currently using |

Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
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Posted - 2016.07.25 19:44:36 -
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Has it changed? I thought the sleepers spawned 15 minutes after the 'warp to' the site was initiated. Is it now arrive at?
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2016.07.25 20:10:47 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:Has it changed? I thought the sleepers spawned 15 minutes after the 'warp to' the site was initiated. Is it now arrive at? No
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Fye'16
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Posted - 2016.07.25 22:28:59 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Fye'16 wrote:Just to check - you do this solo right? Switching ships every time you need to (meaning your 'base' must only be a few jumps away?).
This is how I was imagining doing it myself. I'm already well set up in 0.0 will plenty of resources/access to ships etc. I'd strongly recommend joining a corp. 99% of the time we clear the rats from all gas sites as a corp and run them in groups for safety, etc., but I do have a few solo setups and that's what I'm describing now. My favorite setup (which I selfishly won't give the location away to anyone) has a loop of 20 or so systems that are inhabited by people who live on the other side of the world from me, so most of the time I'm online they are completely empty. I found it when roaming around in a scanning ship, and there are stations I can use. When I am going solo, I typically fly the loop of 10-20 systems depending, scan every sig in those systems and bookmark every site I want to run, I then come back with a combat ship/gas mining ship/relic ship as needed. And even saying that is somewhat of a lie, because I run multiple accounts at the same time, so I have one account scanning while the others run sites, but I'm writing this from the perspective of how someone with only one account would do it. Basically think 'batch processing'. Do all your scanning/bookmarking (and in low/null find and mark the location of every hostile pos/citadel, take notes on who owns it and what corp/alliance they are with) then run all the sites. That's one reason why it's good to set up a base. It will take some time to get ships in and scout out who the local residents are and where their assets are that could potentially kill you, but once you have done that for that pocket of space, it's done and will probably save you from losing a few ships. And for clarity (because this is definitely subjective) anything less than 15 jumps away I consider 'close' to whatever base of operations I'm currently using
Do the rats ever respawn in the gas sites?
I am actually in a corp and I have some friends that I often run with, though my primary aim is to be self sufficient in what I do so if anything (god forbid) was to happen to my corp or my friends were to stop playing or anything, I can continue unhindered.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.07.25 22:32:50 -
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Gas site rats do not respawn.
Sometimes you can harvest gas by staying out of agro range but within harvesting range. However, you can't begin by warping to zero. |

Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2016.07.25 22:47:24 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Gas site rats do not respawn. Mostly true. IIRC they reset at downtime, in sleeper sites at least. Sometimes you'll clear the sleepers and if you don't finish the site you may be surprised when they respawn the next day at a site you thought was cleared.
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Fye'16
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Posted - 2016.07.25 22:49:30 -
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Last question - I promise!
I'm having issues getting a Drake out to null-sec (Drakes aren't as easy to move as Covert ops ships...) - is it possible to clear rats in something like a Caracal or maybe an Assault Frigate?
** edit ** I would try it out myself but my station is being camped at the moment! |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.07.25 22:55:48 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Gas site rats do not respawn. Mostly true. IIRC they reset at downtime, in sleeper sites at least. Sometimes you'll clear the sleepers and if you don't finish the site you may be surprised when they respawn the next day at a site you thought was cleared. I've never had sleeper sites respawn after being cleared. I lived in w-space nearly 3 years. Maybe you have bad luck.
In nulsec you have to deal with drug labs to complete the site. |

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2016.07.25 23:00:04 -
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Fye'16 wrote:Last question - I promise!
I'm having issues getting a Drake out to null-sec (Drakes aren't as easy to move as Covert ops ships...) - is it possible to clear rats in something like a Caracal or maybe an Assault Frigate?
** edit ** I would try it out myself but my station is being camped at the moment! Strategic Cruiser, or perhaps a Stratios.
It took me two Tengu to clear C5 & C6 ore and gas sites, but that did involve a little strategy: get the sleepers shooting at the first Tengu before warping in the second to rep the first. Start with the battleship(s), and enough will be dead by the time they switch targets. Why? Because you don't want both Tengu to be capacitor drained by the battleships.
Nulsec sites don't have neuts AFAIK.
The Prospect was designed for gas harvesting. |

Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2016.07.25 23:06:01 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Cara Forelli wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Gas site rats do not respawn. Mostly true. IIRC they reset at downtime, in sleeper sites at least. Sometimes you'll clear the sleepers and if you don't finish the site you may be surprised when they respawn the next day at a site you thought was cleared. I've never had sleeper sites respawn after being cleared. I lived in w-space nearly 3 years. Maybe you have bad luck. Perhaps I'm just shockingly bad at keeping track of sites. I'm not known for my PVE prowess. 
Of course that means I'm also a lot more likely to abandon a site halfway through huffing when I get bored. 
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.07.26 00:16:18 -
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not sure how this turned into a discussion about wh gas but null sec gas:
mainly used for drugs special sites contain hacking cans that can drop the expensive drug related skillbooks and reactions
Not too sure about the actual gas value but the hacking sites are definitely worth doing. Not sure if caracal can clear them though, I used a Gila. |

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.07.26 03:44:03 -
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Fye'16 wrote:Last question - I promise!
I'm having issues getting a Drake out to null-sec (Drakes aren't as easy to move as Covert ops ships...) - is it possible to clear rats in something like a Caracal or maybe an Assault Frigate?
** edit ** I would try it out myself but my station is being camped at the moment! I don't know anything about null sec gas sites but if they are the same as ore site rats
Sonya Corvinus wrote: The k-space rats in gas sites are about the same as the rats in ore sites,
Ore site rats just seem to be belt rats. I do know a bit about belt rats. A BC is almost overkill for most belt rat spawns. You can kill belt rat spawns in a cruiser and I've even seen people doing them in destroyers. I tried it myself and it is challenging but it can be done. I used to belt rat in an AF in null sec and that was a lot of fun for me. I switched away from the AF just because it was taking too long.
To me a faction cruiser seems to be ideal for belt ratting. The perfect mix of DPS, tank and the agility to warp from belt to belt quickly as well as being cheapish to replace. I've never flown a T3 before. HACs work well also but are more expensive.
Short answer is if you are just looking to kill one spawn then a cruiser or AF should work fine. You might have trouble killing a faction spawn and I've never encountered an officer spawn but in theory if you are in NPC null sec you could encounter one of those.
Again the ore sites have the same spawns as the asteroid belts. I've seen faction spawns warp into ore sites and I've chased ore site rat spawns to other belts so I know that they are the same spawns. |

Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
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Posted - 2016.07.26 04:13:37 -
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I've tried to run a gas site in null once.
Landed on grid, was instantly neuted out by the structures already on-site and the rats popped me before I got into warp.
Fact that I'm notoriously bad at PvE aside, I suggest you check out the site with a cloaky first. And maybe, just to be on the safe side, get something that can blap from afar in case you do need to bail.
The ship I lost was a Huginn. Yes it's replaced, No I haven't tried to run a gas site ever since-- I'd have to PvE for a month to earn it back OR I could blow up some poor random guys, steal their loot and call it a day. It was one of the easier decisions in PvE I've ever made. |

Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.07.26 05:05:37 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:I've tried to run a gas site in null once.
Landed on grid, was instantly neuted out by the structures already on-site and the rats popped me before I got into warp.
Fact that I'm notoriously bad at PvE aside, I suggest you check out the site with a cloaky first. And maybe, just to be on the safe side, get something that can blap from afar in case you do need to bail.
The ship I lost was a Huginn. Yes it's replaced, No I haven't tried to run a gas site ever since-- I'd have to PvE for a month to earn it back OR I could blow up some poor random guys, steal their loot and call it a day. It was one of the easier decisions in PvE I've ever made.
You were unlucky and found a site with turrets that's called Ordinary Perimeter Reservoir if I remember well.
Every huffer knows it's to be avoided.
Gas huffing is very funny because of the risk of being caught and it's not very time consuming.
The only thing I struggle to do is to sell gas at a decent price in hisec.
I live between wormholes, lowsec and hisec so I really dunno if in nullsec it's easier to sell it anyway...
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
466
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Posted - 2016.07.26 05:16:19 -
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Well well, who knew? Thanks for explaining. Guess I better try again then huh? |

Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:12:13 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:I've tried to run a gas site in null once.
Landed on grid, was instantly neuted out by the structures already on-site and the rats popped me before I got into warp.
Fact that I'm notoriously bad at PvE aside, I suggest you check out the site with a cloaky first. And maybe, just to be on the safe side, get something that can blap from afar in case you do need to bail.
The ship I lost was a Huginn. Yes it's replaced, No I haven't tried to run a gas site ever since-- I'd have to PvE for a month to earn it back OR I could blow up some poor random guys, steal their loot and call it a day. It was one of the easier decisions in PvE I've ever made. You were unlucky and found a site with turrets that's called Ordinary Perimeter Reservoir if I remember well. Every huffer knows it's to be avoided. Gas huffing is very funny because of the risk of being caught and it's not very time consuming. The only thing I struggle to do is to sell gas at a decent price in hisec. I live between wormholes, lowsec and hisec so I really dunno if in nullsec it's easier to sell it anyway...
What? No
Null sec
NULL sec
NULL sec
There are no Ordinary Perimeter Reservoirs in null sec
Unless the guy was talking about wh space and doesn't know the difference between the two. |

Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
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Posted - 2016.07.26 13:37:59 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Ore site rats just seem to be belt rats. I do know a bit about belt rats. A BC is almost overkill for most belt rat spawns. You can kill belt rat spawns in a cruiser and I've even seen people doing them in destroyers. I tried it myself and it is challenging but it can be done. I used to belt rat in an AF in null sec and that was a lot of fun for me. I switched away from the AF just because it was taking too long.
To me a faction cruiser seems to be ideal for belt ratting. The perfect mix of DPS, tank and the agility to warp from belt to belt quickly as well as being cheapish to replace. I've never flown a T3 before. HACs work well also but are more expensive.
Short answer is if you are just looking to kill one spawn then a cruiser or AF should work fine. You might have trouble killing a faction spawn and I've never encountered an officer spawn but in theory if you are in NPC null sec you could encounter one of those.
Again the ore sites have the same spawns as the asteroid belts. I've seen faction spawns warp into ore sites and I've chased ore site rat spawns to other belts so I know that they are the same spawns.
True, I keep a T3D and a T3 cruiser on hand and use as needed, but I also do WH sites.
Tsukino Stareine wrote:There are no Ordinary Perimeter Reservoirs in null sec
Unless the guy was talking about wh space and doesn't know the difference between the two.
I was the first to bring up WH gas, and didn't mean to derail this thread, so sorry if that's what I did. I wanted to point out what it takes to do WH gas as well as LS/null gas. I just didn't want a newer player learning how to huff k-space gas then jump into a WH and pop because of different mechanics, so I felt it was worth mentioning both. |
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Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.07.26 15:01:38 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Lucy Lollipops wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:I've tried to run a gas site in null once.
Landed on grid, was instantly neuted out by the structures already on-site and the rats popped me before I got into warp.
Fact that I'm notoriously bad at PvE aside, I suggest you check out the site with a cloaky first. And maybe, just to be on the safe side, get something that can blap from afar in case you do need to bail.
The ship I lost was a Huginn. Yes it's replaced, No I haven't tried to run a gas site ever since-- I'd have to PvE for a month to earn it back OR I could blow up some poor random guys, steal their loot and call it a day. It was one of the easier decisions in PvE I've ever made. You were unlucky and found a site with turrets that's called Ordinary Perimeter Reservoir if I remember well. Every huffer knows it's to be avoided. Gas huffing is very funny because of the risk of being caught and it's not very time consuming. The only thing I struggle to do is to sell gas at a decent price in hisec. I live between wormholes, lowsec and hisec so I really dunno if in nullsec it's easier to sell it anyway... What? No Null sec NULL sec NULL sec There are no Ordinary Perimeter Reservoirs in null sec Unless the guy was talking about wh space and doesn't know the difference between the two.
Mmm so maybe it's another kind of gas site.
I only did wormhole ones, so maybe it's not the ordinary perimeter or maybe he landed on a already ninjiaed place so he found the npcs already there...
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
468
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Posted - 2016.07.26 16:45:27 -
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Ordinary Perimeter Reservoir DEFINITELY rings a bell so unless they're all called alike, that's the one.
"The Guy" may perhaps not know jack sh!t about PvE but I do know the difference between WH and nullsec, thank you very much. ;-) The system in question was U-Q, in Catch bordering Curse.
Don't try and tell me there's no rats in there because there were. LOTS. I got alpha'ed off the field in a tanky cruiser; I saw no gas but I saw no drifters either. Come to think of it ... is it possible there's a combat site marked as gassite? I distinctly remember ordinary reservoir something something.....
Weird. |

Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.07.26 18:06:29 -
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Again: Ordinary Perimeter Reservoirs only appear in wormhole space
The gas site you warped to was likely one of the guarded ones with hackable cans I mentioned before |

Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2016.07.26 18:11:38 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Again: Ordinary Perimeter Reservoirs only appear in wormhole space
The gas site you warped to was likely one of the guarded ones with hackable cans I mentioned before
Yes, maybe it's like that.
Anyway if you tried and it went bad, just try wormhole gas sites and if you want to be sure you can write the name of the site in this website:
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=HomePage
You will have all the details about what you will find inside, enemies and so on. |

Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
1975
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Posted - 2016.07.26 20:01:59 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Ordinary Perimeter Reservoir DEFINITELY rings a bell so unless they're all called alike, that's the one. They are. The sleeper sites anyway. They are all three words ending in reservoir. Barren perImeter reservoir, instrumental core reservoir, etc. And they are exclusive to wormhole space as Tsukino says.
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
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Posted - 2016.07.26 20:25:22 -
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It's okay guys, thanks for clarifying the matter. What I found was clearly not a gas site at all. Probably one of those hacking thingies; I now know I'm not supposed to see rats and if I do it's bad mojo.
I also didn't know how horrible rats can cheat- insta locking from all over the grid, neuting at laughable ranges with no regard for their own cap (they appear to have infinite reservoirs in fact); repairing ridiculous amounts of damage on unbonused ships, dual tanking to boot; yet never smartbombing, never fielding drones; propulsion speeds look totally random and more often than not only one tenth of what one would expect; their tracking is utter garbage yet their cruise missiles somehow hit..... I've even run into armageddons shooting lasers - dafuq? My oh my...
Yup, I've learnt a lot about PvE between then and now: just because it looks like a Phantasm doesn't mean it's anything like any Phantasm I've ever fought. Let's just say it's not my cup of tea but at least I now know where to get my gas: in a different site!
Sorry for the confusion guys. You've all been most helpful! |
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