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Dirt Nooch State of Nature 3	Posted - 2016.08.01 01:27:59 - [1] - Quote Hi all, Can someone clear this up for me. If someone attacks me in hi sec, and I retaliate, does concord call off their response?
Cara Forelli Meticulously Indifferent 1987	Posted - 2016.08.01 02:00:50 - [2] - Quote Nope. If they commit a criminal act, concord will always show up, regardless of what you do. Want to talk? Join my channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
John Volan Volan Enterprises 34	Posted - 2016.08.01 02:42:52 - [3] - Quote Here's a short article on some of the details of the criminal timer.
Memphis Baas 1851	Posted - 2016.08.01 02:45:11 - [4] - Quote The moment they shoot, they get the Criminal flag, and Concord is scheduled to come after the number of seconds it takes based on the security level of the solar system where you are. When you shoot back, you are shooting a criminal, so Concord will not attack you too. The only downside to shooting back is that you'll get the Weapons Timer, which prevents you from docking, jumping through gates, ejecting from your ship, or entering a new ship, for 1 minute. So if you think you can make it through a gate or dock at a nearby station, don't shoot; your attackers will have the weapons flag and won't be able to follow you for 1 minute.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1010	Posted - 2016.08.01 15:18:38 - [5] - Quote BTW, is that how stations games work? Shoot, tank 1 minute, then dock, refit, etc? So basically, the 1 minute timer doesn't reset with every shot? My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 69	Posted - 2016.08.01 15:28:45 - [6] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: BTW, is that how stations games work? Shoot, tank 1 minute, then dock, refit, etc? So basically, the 1 minute timer doesn't reset with every shot? It resets with every shot. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Memphis Baas 1857	Posted - 2016.08.01 16:07:08 - [7] - Quote You have to wait 1 minute after you stop shooting (it keeps resetting with each shot), but basically yeah, station games are when one or both parties undock and then stare angrily rather than shooting, so they can dock at the slightest sign of danger. Or try to bump each other outside of the "0m" insta-docking range.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 509	Posted - 2016.08.01 17:24:09 - [8] - Quote Which is why if you are going to engage a station game player, make certain you can blast through their tank in a minute... otherwise, don't play. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17165	Posted - 2016.08.01 17:30:34 - [9] - Quote Dark Lord Trump wrote: Iria Ahrens wrote: BTW, is that how stations games work? Shoot, tank 1 minute, then dock, refit, etc? So basically, the 1 minute timer doesn't reset with every shot? It resets with every shot. every offensive module cycle so guns drones ewar points and tackle Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1010	Posted - 2016.08.01 19:44:19 - [10] - Quote Alright, cool. I watched a Battlepenguins video where a guy docked in the middle of a fight, and swapped to a different ship. Figure that happened before the timer was introduced... My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.

Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 297	Posted - 2016.08.01 20:04:13 - [11] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: BTW, is that how stations games work? Shoot, tank 1 minute, then dock, refit, etc? So basically, the 1 minute timer doesn't reset with every shot? Not quite. They get a limited engagement (either by dueling or being blinky), you shoot, they re-ship into a hard counter for your ship. If you don't figure out what they're doing and leave (much preferably to a randomly placed bookmark, but a belt or a customs office at 100km works too) before they land a point, you're dead. A signature :o
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17166	Posted - 2016.08.01 20:15:25 - [12] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Alright, cool. I watched a Battlepenguins video where a guy docked in the middle of a fight, and swapped to a different ship. Figure that happened before the timer was introduced... no no, weapons timer only applies to your offensive modules. you can de-aggress (60sec timer) and dock/jump mid fight if you have the tank to last. i have used this at least twice on pirat. i started chewing on one of their guardians +5 jumps from amarr , didn't have the dps to kill it before every Russian between amarr and jita came pouring into system. so i pulled my drones in, stopped shooting and i waited till they were all on me and had timers (which was a lot of angry russians) before blowing razberrys in local jumping the **** out of there. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1010	Posted - 2016.08.01 22:14:06 - [13] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Iria Ahrens wrote: Alright, cool. I watched a Battlepenguins video where a guy docked in the middle of a fight, and swapped to a different ship. Figure that happened before the timer was introduced... no no, weapons timer only applies to your offensive modules. you can de-aggress (60sec timer) and dock/jump mid fight if you have the tank to last. limited engagement is aggression rights and has no other effects beyond who can shoot whom i have used this at least twice on pirat. i started chewing on one of their guardians +5 jumps from amarr , didn't have the dps to kill it before every Russian between amarr and jita came pouring into system. so i pulled my drones in, stopped shooting and i waited till they were all on me and had timers (which was a lot of angry russians) before blowing razberrys in local jumping the **** out of there. Well, I was thinking of this video http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/ABP/ABP6_Were_backv1.wmv which included my corp getting wrecked by like 5 ships at the beginning of the video. It was a wakeup call for the corp. And it made me a spider-tanking whore. I was absent, but it was my friends. IIRC, ProGod was in the fight, he might have even started FCing by this--it was one of his goals from the start, but the Corp was young and we made so many mistakes it hurt. But it shows how far some of us have come... Anyway, it will take an hour to dl the video to rewatch, so I'm not sure whether he docked while shooting or not. But it was long enough ago that you can see several mechanics in play that no longer exist. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1015	Posted - 2016.08.03 13:13:00 - [14] - Quote Ok, now that I know what to look for, re-watching the video, I do see that he turned his offensive modules off for a minute before docking. Still learn stuff every day here. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Dirty Forum Alt Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 382	Posted - 2016.08.03 13:22:13 - [15] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: Ok, now that I know what to look for, re-watching the video, I do see that he turned his offensive modules off for a minute before docking. Still learn stuff every day here. if you ever try it yourself - make sure you recall your drones in addition to shutting down all your offensive modules... Always kind of funny when somebody tries to de-aggress but forgets their drones in space...but not for them.
Major Trant 287 Marine Regiment 1449	Posted - 2016.08.04 11:11:31 - [16] - Quote Dirty Forum Alt wrote: Always kind of funny when somebody tries to de-aggress but forgets their drones in space...but not for them. It is even funnier (not) when you are the Logi and the fleet is told to deaggress. You sit there continuing to rep people and your aggression counting isn't ticking down. For those who don't understand the mechanics. Remote repair including cap transfers are not aggressive acts, but you inherit the aggression flag on anyone you rep / cap transfer to. Thus when you rep someone who is shooting, you get a 1 minute agression counter, but when he stops shooting his aggression counter starts falling and so does yours even while you continue to rep him. Now assume you have got a 20 man fleet with four Guardians all cap chaining off each other. You are losing the battle, so the FC calls to deagress and approach gate. You need to survive for 1 minute before everyone can jump out and the Logi need to keep repping people during that minute. Except one person stays aggressed and if he gets repped by just one of the Guardians the aggression counters passes to that Guardian and then to every other Guardian via the cap transfer chain. All the logi are shouting "WHO IS STILL AGGRESSED, PULL DRONES, PULL DRONES". One minutes passes and the fleet either have to jump out leaving the Logi behind or stay on field longer sacrificing further DPS ships in a desperate attempt to save the Logi.
Pandora Carrollon Kingsman Tailors 525	Posted - 2016.08.04 15:45:00 - [17] - Quote Major Trant wrote: ... All the logi are shouting "WHO IS STILL AGGRESSED, PULL DRONES, PULL DRONES". One minutes passes and the fleet either have to jump out leaving the Logi behind or stay on field longer sacrificing further DPS ships in a desperate attempt to save the Logi. What, you mean Logi's aren't disposable? I thought all Fleet Commanders expected to sweep them into the trash bin after each fight... Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by


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