"That's right! ICE....man. I am dangerous."

Now i see your flaw. You are against equality of opportunity and for equality of outcome as you make such difference. The person with less changes to orders will not bankrupt, he will have to trade in bigger volumes. Besides such trading will greatly help producers. Specially those who lose from being ripped by intermediators that dont mind trading, they will be able to trade themselves and with better capabilities, and wont have to compete with hordes of players that do isk games. Younger players will have more possibilities and if you dont see logic behind it then I suggest you move on. Also bots are less of a burden and I do know how they work and I know that CCP does a good job catching them. Almost good.

Alright, I see this is a hard case. Creating a more chalenging game for experienced traders by limiting them and their orders and less limits on new players and those with less SP. Thus old players will be making more alts for which they have to pay. Be it with PLEX or subscription. Not allowing some old traders to dominate whole market or niche. It will be Physically hard for old players to keep up and dominate everything. Giving more chance to the new players. Clear?

Your proposals add a large amount of limits for all traders... not less.

This time-zone thing is completely arbitrary. Want to trade in real time, you MUST play in the area that was set for you by the authorities.... That's not EvE. These proposals are totally taking away a player's actual choice by changing the choices from 'any and/or all places to trade' to ' the one place set for you by your playtime'. How is that less restrictive?

Real time trading is fun for some. Inter-empire trading is also fun... and rather integral to EvE. There are many items that just can't be found in all empires. That's by design, BTW, to encourage trading. (As an aside... how would your proposals even work outside of HS?)

But the biggest problem I see from these proposals, is that it wouldn't curtail the .01 game at all. It would just remove the inter-empire trader as a viable form of game play... especially for new players. Only large trading conglomerates would be able to survive on the inter-empire scene just by having enough bodies in the correct stations at the corrects times of day. They'll get their .01 increase in, while the budding trader gets left behind.

Now follow this to other professions... Haulers... then to gankers.

These proposals won't change the stymie the .01 trade game, but they will alter EvE to be nigh unrecognizable.


--Gadget

This is a roleplay game , may I suggest, that you roleplay when you login?

So when you login you just roleplay that Jita has just opened, Amarr is in the after market, while Rens and Hek are closed for buisness for the day.

Why do you need realism in a roleplay game?

When company makes it as real as possible, it is hard not to ask for more. Unless you like shallow experience...
Such games are not very real to make them less hard than reality you try to escape but make them interesting enough to be entertained.

Certainly this wil shift traders dynamics as where to trade due to their time zones irl.

their time zones irl.

irl.

[center][i][b]as one man said: "I am here to destroy your game..."

I represent a group of hi sec players who's sole purpose is to destroy each other over the right to make pot noodles in the sacred tea pot. As such, I have a problem with these trade hours. My group fights in hi sec from the end of downtime right up till it begins the next day. We fight in a small part of hi sec where we basically enjoy turning eve into our own strange first person shooter (hence the names Red vs Blue).

The problem with your time zone mechanic is that it screws our style of play. People need to purchase items from our local area constantly. Need a new ship quick, but it local. This occurs at all hours of the day. And we have traders who enjoy stocking our market. Each player tends to find a trading niche to fill. One may supply ammo, another hulls. Your proposal would screw over 3/4 of our traders because only one group would fit these hours leaving the rest screwed. Why should we give up our current style just to fit your desire? It seems to actually greatly limit our little market.

Now let's carry this further... I play mainly at night in the US. However at breakfast each morning, I can login and spend 10 minutes fixing orders. To meet your system I would have to make orders in one region and play in another which adds way too much travel time turning a fun game into a grind. Why?

I'm sorry but I do not think your time zone idea reflects the global nature of corps in eve. Many are strung out across all time zones. Limitng which zones get to play where seems to go against the idea of an open sand box. Why do it?

You are individual that makes assumption regarding individual rather than constructively criticising the idea. So idea will live as long as people like you won't deal with the ideas. Your mindset is dangerous, including for yourself, and I am talking about real life as well.

If you think that the market system of EVE is "realistic"...you must shop at different stores than I do...

I was thinking bit the same - That it would mean alot of traveling around just to update orders or that people would have to drop corp (if you only have 1 toon) so you can go live in the place where the market is open when you are on.

The question about null sec would also need to be adressed - What would their opening hours be?

Also what hinders ppl who is already wealthy to just continue as usual? They will just cirmunvent the 1 order pr. day update, by making younger toons and split their isk out?

Sorry, but this is general discussion.

Yes, and this is the wrong forum for your thinly-veiled advertisement of your trading 'guild' scamtasm.


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Yes, and this is the wrong forum for your thinly-veiled advertisement of your trading 'guild' scamtasm.


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You see, the thing is that what you say would have some weight, except that you and I - and practically everyone else who has even merely glanced at MD over the last few weeks - both know that you have a nasty habit of hijacking threads to promote your own nonsense. This really has direct bearing on your character, and the motives behind your thread...


...which is, as others have said, in completely the wrong sub-forum. Sort it out

... I see.

Guys. If you're going to wax eloquent and smart and stuff, know your subject first. You can roast each other in snide, I'm-smarter-than-you wiseass remarks at another time with another subject...one you KNOW something about.

Your problem isn't some player spending all day monitoring all his sales contracts; nerfing them .01 every time someone puts in a lower price. It just looks like that's your problem. Nobody in their right mind would endeavor to do such a thing, and remain free from an insane asylum for very long.

The word you're searching for is BOTS. (In this case; market bots.) The existence and proliferation of market bots is why you'll never in a million years be able to work EVE's market like a "regular" (regulated?) capital market system. It just ain't gonna happen. It's a physical impossibility.

There is no amount of limiting player's physical activity in buying/selling/altering/canceling that will have ANY effect on this. You can surmise, day dream, or visit all the oracles you want and you will NEVER find a way to get around it. As long as there are bots automatically bumping prices, you will be eternally in this .01 game unless you....right....do what they're doing.

It is even said that Certain Connected People are running market bots TOO. SO

...good luck with this, homey.

Sadly you don't.

Sadly, you think you know what I see. People like you are the ones who make disinformation a viable tool. Also, no disinfo here. Just your nature of observation points at it with starking force.

Now i see your flaw. You are against equality of opportunity and for equality of outcome as you make such difference. The person with less changes to orders will not bankrupt, he will have to trade in bigger volumes. Besides such trading will greatly help producers. Specially those who lose from being ripped by intermediators that dont mind trading, they will be able to trade themselves and with better capabilities, and wont have to compete with hordes of players that do isk games. Younger players will have more possibilities and if you dont see logic behind it then I suggest you move on. Also bots are less of a burden and I do know how they work and I know that CCP does a good job catching them. Almost good.

Also it will make older traders innovate to outcompete younger players.

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