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mamolian
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 00:50:00 -
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Myself and a few of the corpies were discussing Privateers war bill costs.. they must be massive at the moment?
Heard rumors they are going for a goal of 100 war decs very soon? Anyone from privateers care to comment on just exactly how much its costing a week ? 
Also considering this is a massive ISK sink for CCP, maybe Privateers are actually helping the economy (curbing inflation) in a way the ISK sink that POS was never able to achieve? 
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.03.12 00:59:00 -
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This is why war dec cost need to go up. It is a great isk sink.
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Zembla
Caldari
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2007.03.12 01:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Audri Fisher
This is why war dec cost need to go up. It is a great isk sink.
Actually... you've got a good point there.
I don't think the war dec fees have changed since they were introduced. Then again, I'm not sure, because I rarely get to read the bill myself. But I see no indication to say that they indeed have changed.
With all the inflation that EVE has seen in it's by now almost 4 years existance, the price of a war dec fee has gone from a price that has a meaning, to the sort of price you get when you get a discount on white label coffee. War decs just don't mean anything so to speak. The price you need to pay now is chump change. It's the sort of stuff you save up in a jar because you can't hardly spend it on anything else. The prices of nearly all stuff in EVE going up, should also be followed with the price of war decs going up. Not meeting this inflation is like paying the same cost on social security now as you did 20 years ago. Money just changes in value.
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Le Skunk
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/03/2007 01:35:06
I counted 87 wars tonight with 13 of these running out in the next 24 hours.
Wars cost between 50 and 200 million a pop.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr
BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.03.12 02:04:00 -
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To be a corp within privateers you must pay for at least one war dec per week, each corp must pay or be removed from the alliance
No one corp pays for more than one as is privateers rules
Can we please stop the damn privateer ***** threads, seriously, enuff is enuff
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hybridundertaker
Amarr
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.12 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian
Also considering this is a massive ISK sink for CCP, maybe Privateers are actually helping the economy (curbing inflation) in a way the ISK sink that POS was never able to achieve?
it would be even better if ccp would allow wardecing macrominers in npc corps somehow... the privaters would certainly achieve what ccp seems to fail at.
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Gallente
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2007.03.12 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Zembla
I don't think the war dec fees have changed since they were introduced. Then again, I'm not sure, because I rarely get to read the bill myself. But I see no indication to say that they indeed have changed.
they have changed.
War's used to be free. they updated it to 1 million to delcare war, Alliences cost the same, and then the uped that cost to 50 million and corps to 2 million per week
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Hamatitio
Caldari
Fate.
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Posted - 2007.03.12 02:26:00 -
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Stratos
Can we please stop the damn privateer ***** threads, seriously, enuff is enuff
This is not a ***** thread about Privateer but an interesting economical question triggered by the "Privateers situation".
Privateers or not, it could have been anyone else... although I suppose they would be trashed like Privateers are today but anyway.
This is a part where inflation had no effect except for the free to 1m to 50m. And that's no inflation anyway but only a small fix (sort of) probably because it was too easy at first.
With more and more players having billions and billions, what is a tiny 50m. Today, any one man corp/alliance having that 50m can wardec the biggest alliance in Eve... Wardecs are normal, fees are kind of underpriced. But... at least, they are putting money somewhere... in... their own way.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr
BOOM - Gotcha
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Posted - 2007.03.12 02:52:00 -
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So u think just because you want empire to be a *safe haven* for your alliance *mission running alts* that the average corp including mine should pay massive fee's to war dec arragont alliances in eve so you *are happy*
I don't think so... It's no ISK sink, they invented the empire war dec for a reason, and if these so called *0.0 alliances* should be free and safe in empire when **** hits the fan?
Explain to me the logic behind that?
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Zembla
Caldari
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2007.03.12 03:00:00 -
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Edited by: Zembla on 12/03/2007 02:57:17
Originally by: Blue Stratos
So u think just because you want empire to be a *safe haven* for your alliance *mission running alts* that the average corp including mine should pay massive fee's to war dec arragont alliances in eve so you *are happy*
I don't think so... It's no ISK sink, they invented the empire war dec for a reason, and if these so called *0.0 alliances* should be free and safe in empire when **** hits the fan?
Explain to me the logic behind that?
It's not that you shouldn't be able to war dec on somebody. It's just that it should be something you actually put thought etc in, unlike blinking your eye, or god knows. At the moment it's so cheap a lot of people have it as a sort of automatism.
Why do you think paying more to declare on somebody will mean you can't declare? It just means that there's more meaning behind the war dec. It's a bit like how people who start off EVE nowadays are almost instantly thrown into a tier 2 Battlecruiser, while in the old days they would be happy if they could afford a Destroyer after two weeks. This has nothing to do with melancholy, it's very simple, it's all inflation.
It's not to decrease the ammount of war decs at all, it's more to increase the isk sink. It's one of the few isk sinks that hasn't been touched by inflation.
And besides, if you pay 3M instead of 2M to dec on somebody it just means you are willing to pay 3M to kill them. If you really want to kill somebody, you're willing to pay the price. That doesn't mean the price should be high.
And thanks to the guy for clearing up decs went from 0 to 1 to 2 for corps.
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2007.03.12 03:06:00 -
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87 wars? Not too shabby at all. I'd say that they are mostly alliances, and the big ones too. Just as a semi-random educated guess, my estimate would be 5 to 7 billion per week in war-dec fee's. The real question though is if that's made a difference in the total ISK in the game or not, and how that compares to the fueling costs of a moderate sized alliance running POS's in 0.0 space.
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DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Stratos
So u think just because you want empire to be a *safe haven* for your alliance *mission running alts* that the average corp including mine should pay massive fee's to war dec arragont alliances in eve so you *are happy*
I don't think so... It's no ISK sink, they invented the empire war dec for a reason, and if these so called *0.0 alliances* should be free and safe in empire when **** hits the fan?
Explain to me the logic behind that?
mmm I think you completly missed the point of the OP and the people who answered after that.
Nobody said anything about safety, empire and all that stuff.
You don't need to defend the wardec concept. It wasn't questioned. Only the "fee" itself that is the same whatever the size of any side is at the moment. Never it was suggested that your "average corp" (as you put it) pays massive fees as a fix.
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mamolian
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Stratos
So u think just because you want empire to be a *safe haven* for your alliance *mission running alts* that the average corp including mine should pay massive fee's to war dec arragont alliances in eve so you *are happy*
I don't think so... It's no ISK sink, they invented the empire war dec for a reason, and if these so called *0.0 alliances* should be free and safe in empire when **** hits the fan?
Explain to me the logic behind that?
The fact that privateers even exists with its current framework is an indication that on one level means something is currently wrong with how much it costs to war dec another corp/alliance.. Its too cheap.
On another level with a steady number of wars constantly this is a massive Isk Sink that I'm sure CCP is happy about.. Its removing a large amount of ISK from circulation.
Then theres the strong urge to make the war mutual ;) Keeping those mission running "loner" type's that contribute nothing to the corp and alliance, out as they are not safe anywhere in empire..
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mamolian
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Siege
87 wars? Not too shabby at all. I'd say that they are mostly alliances, and the big ones too. Just as a semi-random educated guess, my estimate would be 5 to 7 billion per week in wardec fee's. The real question though is if that's made a difference in the total ISK in the game or not, and how that compares to the fueling costs of a moderate sized alliance running POS's in 0.0 space.
Well to either its only a drop in the ocean as I'm sure know :) But over a sustained amount of time, it will have a positive effect on the entire economy I bet. Running those Large POS if you buy everything on market worked out around 300 mill a month last time I looked at it.. Much much cheaper if your mining the ice product fuel tho and of course as an ISK sink.. the empire npc POS fuel is all that matters far as CCP is concerned..
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 03:55:00 -
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87 wars? Wow I remember when the max was ~10 
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.03.12 03:59:00 -
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What is wrong with bumping the alliance war dec cost to say 55 mil?
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Sadist
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.12 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
What is wrong with bumping the alliance war dec cost to say 55 mil?
Because changing something just for sake of changing it isnt very good form. If people think 50 mil is too cheap, adding a laughable 5 mil won't make a single bit of difference.
What puzzles me is this, with 7-8 bil/week, instead of wardeccing, the privateers could have quite easily funded the construction of a couple titans within a reasonable timeframe. 
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mr bighelmet
EnTech
Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.03.12 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sadist
Originally by: Audri Fisher
What is wrong with bumping the alliance war dec cost to say 55 mil?
Because changing something just for sake of changing it isnt very good form. If people think 50 mil is too cheap, adding a laughable 5 mil won't make a single bit of difference.
What puzzles me is this, with 7-8 bil/week, instead of wardeccing, the privateers could have quite easily funded the construction of a couple titans within a reasonable timeframe.
I think that privateers have stated again and again that they do not want to play the 0.0 game, so why would they want titan for?
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SumDum
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Edited by: Le Skunk on 12/03/2007 01:35:06
I counted 87 wars tonight with 13 of these running out in the next 24 hours.
Wars cost between 50 and 200 million a pop.
SKUNK
At 50mil/week per war thats 4.3+bil per week minimum if your costs and my math are correct. One helluva isk sink. And I thought lighting cigars with $100 bills was extravagant.
It's kind of funny for me to picture, since I so rarely see you guys since I am not in Empire much. But for you, everyone is red. Your local must look like the bleachers at the Bejing Olympic stadium...everyday!
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Photon
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2007.03.12 09:31:00 -
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what I'm wondering is, how much would it cost to war dec privateers? :p
Doesn't wardec cost go up when you dec someone with alot of wars?
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.12 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Photon
what I'm wondering is, how much would it cost to war dec privateers? :p
Doesn't wardec cost go up when you dec someone with alot of wars?
AFAIK it is capped at 200mil.
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Photon
Divine Retribution
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Posted - 2007.03.12 09:54:00 -
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guess that makes sense :/
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Riho
Gallente
Red Wrath
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.03.12 11:10:00 -
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some wars are mutual whit them... inc ours 
id guess about 3-4 bil a week :)
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Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sorted on 12/03/2007 11:28:41
Originally by: Dekiri
Originally by: Photon
what I'm wondering is, how much would it cost to war dec privateers? :p
Doesn't wardec cost go up when you dec someone with alot of wars?
AFAIK it is capped at 200mil.
I have issued a War dec @ 250M /Week cost. So I dont know if there is an upper limit.
And the costs per week 5 - 6 Billion ISK for the war count, sometimes higher, sometimes lower.
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Will Fireblade
Maza Nostra
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:38:00 -
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WTF? WAR declare fees should drop to minimal.. infact wars should be free.. hmm tbh there should be no war declare option every system needs to be like 0.0..
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Alha Qmar
Caldari
Xenon Logistics
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Posted - 2007.03.12 19:08:00 -
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I would guess the war dec fees lie somewhere between 3B-6B a week.
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Nymos
Fimbulvintr
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Posted - 2007.03.12 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Nymos on 12/03/2007 20:19:44
Originally by: Blue Stratos
To be a corp within privateers you must pay for at least one war dec per week, each corp must pay or be removed from the alliance
No one corp pays for more than one as is privateers rules
Can we please stop the damn privateer ***** threads, seriously, enuff is enuff
hmm... mc and bob need to get their forum sigs sorted when posting on alts :p
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Ariel Dawn
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.13 00:28:00 -
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Anyone who says that war-dec fees are ridiculously low plays too much EVE. 1-2 bil is more than the average player will make in a year, yet Privateers are spending 5-6bil a week on something with no return (discounting loot from war).
EVE needs more people like Privateers. They, unlike those who whine against them, realize what they want in EVE. More PvP targets than you could ever ask for of all shapes and sized without the needs of running and organizing an empire in no-sec. I don't know about you, but that sounds like a lot of fun.
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hotshit
The Taining corp
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Posted - 2007.03.13 02:03:00 -
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wow thats a lot of isk
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