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Garek Lanister
Imperial Mining Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.08.09 07:31:48 -
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Since starting up in EVE i've been in more than one Corporation that has been ruined due to PVP Corporations looking for easy targets... So my idea is Could Corporations that enjoy the basics of EVE for Example Mining and Industry etc be allowed to purchase Concorde Protection much like we do renting a station but we'd pay a monthly sum to concord that would stop PVP Corps War Deccing those players that are here just to enjoy the game? Obviously there would have to be restrictions (would only work in High Sec) as other Corps would abuse this. I believe alot more players would return to EVE knowing they can enjoy this game without fear of been War Dec'd as alot of Great Corp communitys are ripped apart as a result of War Decs.... |
Chronos Thiesant
Deep Sky Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.08.09 07:33:32 -
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I have a simple solution to your problem OP:
Don't be an easy target. |
Garek Lanister
Imperial Mining Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.08.09 07:37:29 -
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It's not a case of been an 'easy target' when other players think that systems there's so they attack any Corp in that system.... |
Jai Blaze
Honor Forge
Joint Operation Involving Nobodys
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Posted - 2016.08.09 07:48:04 -
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Garek Lanister I hear where you're coming from, and if it could be applied only to small groups within a specific set of parameters that would be ok.
The problem is you can't stop the same protection from being applied to larger operations, next thing you know we'll see 50+man bot-like mining fleets going through empire with no recourse.
If wardecs are an issue, you're best bet is NPC corps, nullsec space and protection, or cross-training into other areas of income or combat so your activity levels are less negatively affected. |
Garek Lanister
Imperial Mining Incorporated
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Posted - 2016.08.09 07:59:57 -
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Yeah i agree, there would of course have to be a point were you cut off the protection, like you say people would abuse that protection for there own gains |
Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad
Circle-Of-Two
165
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Posted - 2016.08.09 08:13:02 -
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Okay but the fee should be the amount a bot can mine in highsec for each corp member so at the moment about 22 bil ISK for each member and each month. To make the system balanced.
But now without the fool-¦s stop beeing bad use the multiple ways to avoid wardecs. Don-¦t know what i-¦m talking about ? Just pm me i could tell you some.
-1 to the idea |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
77
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Posted - 2016.08.09 11:21:03 -
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Inb4 Ironbank sends mercs to knock over all the POSes in hisec and replaces them with unwardeccable small sticks.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3426
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Posted - 2016.08.09 11:45:29 -
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Quote:...would stop PVP Corps War Deccing those players that are here just to enjoy the game
Attacking other players is how players enjoy the game.
Eve is a pvp game at its core, it's not optional. And yes, the entire point of the wardec system is that any corp can attack any other corp for any reason they like. It's a core concept of the pvp sandbox. The only way to avoid wardecs is to not be in a player corp. From an npc corp you can do industry, you can form mining fleets, you can make a chat channel for your friends and call it 'corp chat'. So the first thing you should ask is: do you even need to be in a corp?
If you do there are a ton of corps out there that aren't easy targets. Look for groups that are already established with veteran leadership and pvp capable players/allies. If you instead choose to join small new corps with noob/moron leadership you must realise that anyone can come along and see you as an easy target. And thats not unfair or bad. Thats the choice you made by joining that corp.
There is an idea floating around known as 'social corps' where groups can form a kind of mock-corp. They have all the mechanics of an npc corp (npc corp tax, no assets, no wallet etc) but you get to choose the name, get to have a kill board and you can't get wardecced. This is essentially what you ask for (npc corp tax can be payment to concord) but using existing mechanics and balances.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony
The Wraithguard.
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Posted - 2016.08.09 13:49:06 -
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Garek Lanister wrote:Could Corporations that enjoy the basics of EVE for Example Mining and Industry etc be allowed to purchase Concorde Protection?
Buy protection from players instead. Concord shouldn't put mercs out of business. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3430
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Posted - 2016.08.09 14:15:28 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:Garek Lanister wrote:Could Corporations that enjoy the basics of EVE for Example Mining and Industry etc be allowed to purchase Concorde Protection? Buy protection from players instead. Concord shouldn't put mercs out of business.
Is an excellent point.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17317
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Posted - 2016.08.09 15:56:12 -
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this is why we should be able to move between npc corps.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.08.09 19:30:43 -
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Garek Lanister wrote: like you say people would abuse that protection for there own gains
Sounds to me that you and others like you would abuse this right off the bat by the mere act of implementing it
Real-world EVE solutions:
1. Hire mercs
2. Buy (or build, you're miners and industrialists, remember) a shitton of cheap ships and swarm them. You'll die, but you'll learn and maybe give the attackers pause for thought
3. Drop corp and cower in an NPC organisation
CONCORD-based protection would ruin the unique flavour of the game. No, thank you.
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Lex Gabinia
Res Repetundae
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Posted - 2016.08.09 21:43:36 -
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Garek Lanister wrote:It's not a case of been an 'easy target' when other players think that systems there's so they attack any Corp in that system....
That IS why it's there. |
Do Little
Virgin Plc
Evictus.
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Posted - 2016.08.09 22:38:06 -
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During my first year in Eve, the alliance I joined was wardecced 20 times. As a new player, I wanted to mission and mine so I simply dropped corp during wars. In fact, the alliance had a special, out-of-alliance corp with 0% tax for people to join during wars.
My Highsec industry corp operates on a permanent war model. Industrial characters only need to undock to harvest their PI and my hauler lives in an NPC corp. Wardecs can be ignored completely.
My Nullsec characters can also ignore wardecs. I've yet to see anyone come down looking for a fight after declaring war on us.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
947
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Posted - 2016.08.10 13:35:30 -
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Garek Lanister wrote:It's not a case of been an 'easy target' when other players think that systems there's so they attack any Corp in that system....
You are war decced because they want you out of the system, game working as intended.
In high sec the best defense against war decs is to learn the mechanic and then use it to your advantage.
If you are casual players in the game for fun then being in an NPC corp is one option. Having alt characters (not accounts true alt characters) in several corps is another option. NPC Cannot be war decced and with alts in other areas of EvE the chances of all of them being war decced at the same time are well let's just say it has never happened to me and I have been playing since 2009.
If you are more serious then understanding the war dec mechanic from both sides will allow you to set up an organization that is virtually war dec proof. By that I do not mean that one or more portions of it cannot be war decced, but with it set up correctly you simply trade / contract materials etc to alts in NPC or other corps and keep right on doing what you have always done and there is nothing the war dec players can do about it. Well they can start war deccing every corp in the area in hopes that they get your alts but that would be expensive.
What many / most war dec players want is easy targets, do not give it to them.
If you undock to fight make sure you kill more ISK in ships than you lose otherwise you simply invite more war decs.
Or take the turtle route, simple dock up the character or characters that are under war dec and play on other characters.
Or you can use a CEO alt to hold the corp and the rest of you bail to an NPC and keep playing. |
Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.11 16:40:14 -
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Donnachadh wrote:What many / most war dec players want is easy targets, do not give it to them.
If you undock to fight make sure you kill more ISK in ships than you lose otherwise you simply invite more war decs.
Or take the turtle route, simple dock up the character or characters that are under war dec and play on other characters.
Or you can use a CEO alt to hold the corp and the rest of you bail to an NPC and keep playing.
Blueballing is definitely the best way to deter hisec wardecs.
War Targets show up in system, you either fight the battles you can win or you dock up and wait for them to leave. Works that way in lowsec and nullsec too.
No point in fighting a losing battle, as mentioned you'll just end up getting more and more of those.
Instead, keep your killboard isk positive as was mentioned.
My suggestion is thrashers. Get 25 of those out on field when a WT shows up. Why? A thrasher is like 4m isk fitted. You kill just one of their ships and you're very likely isk-positive for your entire fleet.
When the deccers figure out that they're either going to find nothing or a hornet's nest full of thrashers, they'll probably leave you alone. Bearing in mind that if they come out with kitey stuff you'll just be blueballing them.
They're low skill point requirement and low pilot skill requirement.
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Maenth
The Thirteen Provinces
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Posted - 2016.08.11 21:01:54 -
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This is actually a very fair and sensible idea, considering the current war mechanics.
If corporations can pay CONCORD to let them attack other capsuleers regardless of whether or not they have a good reason (like paying the police to say it's okay for you to steal someone's car) then corporations should also be allowed to pay CONCORD to be protected against such nonsense.
The RISK in that case is that the corp would have to pay for a 'protection' period where possibly nobody would want to declare war on them, effectively wasting their ISK. Of course they would still be vulnerable to suicide ganking.
While everyone likes to say that PvP and hisec wars are entirely content creation, for many quiet people it's also content destruction. There's still lots of players who just like building and hauling, and either before or after they lose a ship to the war their mentality becomes "well, I guess I'm not playing EVE for a week or two"
Regardless of what we think about such fragile players they are still paying customers to the game, and in some way they're contributing to the EVE universe with their activities. When those people feel like they're bullied too much and leave the game, then EVE player count declines and activity is reduced and CCP business suffers and thus EVE development suffers.
So, I really think this would be a positive addition to the game. Not everybody will buy CONCORD war protection all the time, so merc corps and hunters can easily just find another target like they do anyway. It would be a small loss for war corps but a massive boon to some industrial corps, while also providing another ISK sink to the game. Then, if 'too many' people use the protection feature, then CCP can just increase the cost of protection to reduce its use to a level they're okay with.
Drones. Drones are a means to an end. An end to the ruthless Caldari 'progress' machines. An end to the barbaric 'redemption' proposed by the Amarr. What they see as chaos shall be my perfect order, merely beyond their comprehension.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4607
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Posted - 2016.08.11 22:52:06 -
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So how much should the innocent and cuddly newbies of goonswarm federation have to pay to get rid of the ten wardecs they currently face?
If you put in an option to buy wardec immunity, then you make groups like us immune to wardecs. Full stop.
That's bad. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3437
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Posted - 2016.08.11 23:30:51 -
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'but paying customers' isn't a good argument when the players you're talking about are more likely to quit from boredom than getting decced. Where as players that get shot at stay longer.
Like it or not, wardecs are content. This idea is purely content denial.
If you are a 'quiet person' you can play on the test server. No non-consentual pvp there.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2989
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Posted - 2016.09.04 10:02:02 -
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look at my alliance history. you will be hard pressed to fined even a couple 2 month stretches where we were not at war.
random HS wars don't kill corps poor leadership kills corps
Citadel worm hole tax
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
976
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Posted - 2016.09.04 13:40:14 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:random HS wars don't kill corps poor leadership kills corps
You missed another, real life.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
2994
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Posted - 2016.09.04 13:42:10 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:random HS wars don't kill corps poor leadership kills corps You missed another, real life.
lol true but to be fair that leads to a lack of leadership
Citadel worm hole tax
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Dornier Pfeil
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.04 13:42:21 -
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My corp pays CONCORD a bribe (aka a WarDec) to look the other way so we can attack your corp.
You want to rebribe CONCORD to cancel my corps WarDec.
So I just rebribe them back.
What you are asking for is a bidding war for WarDecs.
What happens when your corp runs out of isk?
How does this help anyone except the largest, richest corps?
Garek Lanister wrote:Since starting up in EVE i've been in more than one Corporation that has been ruined due to PVP Corporations looking for easy targets... So my idea is Could Corporations that enjoy the basics of EVE for Example Mining and Industry etc be allowed to purchase Concorde Protection much like we do renting a station but we'd pay a monthly sum to concord that would stop PVP Corps War Deccing those players that are here just to enjoy the game? Obviously there would have to be restrictions (would only work in High Sec) as other Corps would abuse this. I believe alot more players would return to EVE knowing they can enjoy this game without fear of been War Dec'd as alot of Great Corp communitys are ripped apart as a result of War Decs....
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Nofearion
Tr0pa de elite.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2016.09.05 01:42:40 -
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I know this has been done, one indy corp want the belts and station in a system that another indy corp holds. War dec to get the system
Its not only just "PVP" oriented corps, a lot of the times it is indeed Isk related. -1 |
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