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Baun
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Posted - 2007.03.12 16:37:00 -
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gotta say, its somewhat odd to put 2-3+billion isk of mods on a sitting duck, especially when those mods simply will not save you in these case.
Nice victory for the good guys to be sure.
On a side note its very cool to see that people are using boosters now. One of the bob dreads had a "cap booster" booster in his cargo.
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Xeliya
Edited by: Xeliya on 12/03/2007 16:38:39
I can say nice attack, well thought out trap. And nice to see RA/AAA have the balls to jump their dreads in on people unlike the Northerners  This is why BoB went after RA as they will put up a fight and one tough fight.
And please for the love of God stop posting facts if you weren't there and you don't have the details. I can tell you it was 9 Dreads lost for BoB and 1 AAA and 1 RA dread lost also BoB dreads were not officer fit but had Core hardeners cause well thats what drops in their 10/10 plexs and I wasn't even there . . .
So let me get this straight. BoB gets credit for "going after good fights" and losing 9 dreads but the north doesn't get credit for attacking BoB when they lose dreads? Extract your head from their collective ass.
The dreads were officer fitted. At least one had an officer cap recharger and everyone I have looked at had deadspace hardeners (although one strangely had deadspace passives ...). Every EVOL dread even had boosters in it.
Last time I checked there were no officer modded capital guns, siege modules, capital armor reps or drones so I am not exactly sure what an officer modded dread would have on it other than armor hardeners and *maybe* an officer sensor booster and cap mods.
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker
Before the "coalition" breaks their collectve arm patting themselves on the back. I look at the killmails and see a bunch of AAA cap ships. I thought AAA wern't part of the coalition? Or is this once again people with no teeth (IAC, KOS, etc) taking credit for the work of other alliances? KOS I hope you can defend your space when RA and -A- arnt there to do it for you. Or are you just their pets/slaves/random derogatory term you use to describe bob allys.
Er, good luck with your train and such. Let us know how it goes with the other 10 towers that are reinforced out there.
Don't confuse people being happy with people taking credit lest you find yourself having to chastise Xelas, FIX, RISE, MWD, executive outcomes, MC etc everytime they post in a thread about a BoB win in which they were either completely uninvolved or very minimally involved.
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Xeliya
Edited by: Xeliya on 12/03/2007 17:21:27
Edited by: Xeliya on 12/03/2007 17:19:39
Originally by: Baun
Originally by: Xeliya
Edited by: Xeliya on 12/03/2007 16:38:39
I can say nice attack, well thought out trap. And nice to see RA/AAA have the balls to jump their dreads in on people unlike the Northerners This is why BoB went after RA as they will put up a fight and one tough fight.
And please for the love of God stop posting facts if you weren't there and you don't have the details. I can tell you it was 9 Dreads lost for BoB and 1 AAA and 1 RA dread lost also BoB dreads were not officer fit but had Core hardeners cause well thats what drops in their 10/10 plexs and I wasn't even there . . .
So let me get this straight. BoB gets credit for "going after good fights" and losing 9 dreads but the north doesn't get credit for attacking BoB when they lose dreads? Extract your head from their collective ass.
The dreads were officer fitted. At least one had an officer cap recharger and everyone I have looked at had deadspace hardeners (although one strangely had deadspace passives ...). Every EVOL dread even had boosters in it.
Last time I checked there were no officer modded capital guns, siege modules, capital armor reps or drones so I am not exactly sure what an officer modded dread would have on it other than armor hardeners and *maybe* an officer sensor booster and cap mods.
Did you not read what I sad below or you need glasses? The odd very odd mod was officer but that does not mean their fleet was officer fit as some said and did I not say most of them were Core fitted which is dead space . . . And no the North doesn't get cred because you guys only attack when BoB isn't home and when BoB shows up you guys pull your caps back, when you stay and fight then you get cred.
So a uniform fitting of deadspace modules that are collectively worth a great many unfitted dreads is not significant?
You are giving BoB credit for doing exactly what the northern alliances that lost dreads did and for which you refuse to even acknowledge them; they got outnumbered in capital ships and losts a bunch of their own. Your distinction is non-existant. BoB would have pulled out if they had known what was ready to hit them. They lost them attacking someone else's space just like the people you refuse to acknowledge.
In any case, whether or not you choose to be even handed does not concern me. It only concerns me that everyone notivce how obviously non-sensical the sorts of posts that try to differentiatevirtually identical losses and explain away the presence of many billions of isk of modules as if they were simply not there.
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 12/03/2007 17:41:46
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Baun, just take it for what it is.
9 Dreads killed.
No point debating if the mods make it "close to 30 in value" or what each dread had fitted.
I am taking it for what it is. Just like the northern dread losses havent killed the north, these losses won't kill BoB.
What they had fitted does matter, but its not a humongous deal. If you look at my first post, Focht, I brought it up because I was honestly a bit dumbfounded that BoB would fit modules worth 50-100% (or more in some cases) of the ships cost that only make them ~10% more effective and will virtually never save you on ships that cannot move. I could go on for a long time about why I think this is stupid and I am sure some people disagree, but the general wisdom of the fitting was my point (or attempted point), not its value.
They could have all had the absolute best gear on and this result would have been either identical or nearly identical. Furthermore, had they not been jumped in on the POS they were shooting would be just as dead had they fitted t2 gear. That was my point, not that this was the end of BoB because they were using 64% hardeners.
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Give it a rest already.
The people you should be telling to give it a rest, Focht, are the people who post non sensical garbage about how BoB valiantly looked for a good fight by attacking a virtually empty system and then courageously died after getting quite outnumbered and yet how other alliances that did exactly the same thing were cowardly and crap.
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.03.12 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Xeliya
And how are they doing what North did, they declared war on an Enemy who was at home and attacking them head on. I doubt they will quit and pull back like some over a few dread losses. Only reason they will pull back is if you guys start to spam POS's again.
Erm, they went on the "offensive" to reclaim a system that their enemies had sovreignty in. The system was virtually empty, they deployed dreads, sieged and then got mauled by a larger force that cynoed on top of them.
That would E X A C T L Y what happened when D2 lost dreads to BoB and when the northern coalition lost dreads to BoB.
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And they didn't jump the dreads out they could, they stayed in siege mode
What are you talking about? Are you saying that the dreads were not warp scrambled (remember that the attacking fleet had carriers too) and that the BoB FC decided to just stay in and die because he felt like it? If BoB could have gotten out and lost even two fewer dreads they would have done it and they would have been right to do it (probably one fewer if you want to compare isk value of what they killed to one of their own dreads).
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Originally by: Gamesguy
There is this module called siege module, it activates something called siege mode, and once activated your dreads can no longer move.
You might want to look it up.
Ya I know what it is and they all stayed for the fight as some could have got out of siege in that time, unlike Razor/Iron who left MM dreads to die in Querious when you guys were jumped.
Yep I am sure that BoB voluntary left dreads on grid that had no hope of surviving just because they could. This would clearly be the sort of tactical acumen that has made BoB powerful.
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 12/03/2007 18:27:43
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No point having a repetitive argument. I've said what i have needed to.
Can any of the BoB pilots using the boosters describe how they changed their fighting experience? This is definitely strategic information so I understand if not ;p
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Baun
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: primary tighter
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I am virtually certain that your comment about D2 is simply factually incorrect.
D2 lost their dreads putting the y-2ano POSs into reinforced.
D2 later put all of the Y-2 POSs into reinforced with about as large a dread fleet as they had previously fielded, unveiled a second titan and then killed 3 large BoB towers.
To say that D2 hasn't deployed capitals since they lost theirs would be to ignore reality.
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