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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:21:00 -
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i totally support your intention, but not so much your specific idea.
consider the big picture. if you want gamers to reduce their carbon emissions, push your government for cleaner sources of electricity.
Just getting a few people to shut down their computers for a few hours is only slightly delaying the inevitable. what we need are real solutions, not stopgap measures.
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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.12 18:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Roy Batty68
Al Gore's energy bill is more in one month than most people's are in a year. And that's just one of his houses.
I don't mind the green movement and I'm all for alternative fuels. I just wish some of these people preaching it would lead by example for a change.
the problem is not how much energy we use, its how we get that energy. we could all use 50x the current amount of electricity and everything would be fine if it all came from clean sources like solar and wind. al gore is setting a fine example by pushing for cleaner sources of energy.
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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.12 20:27:00 -
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fact: there is an observed pattern of atmospheric heating and cooling, and even ice ages occour naturally
fact: the rate at which we are currently aproaching an ice age FAR exceeds any previous rate of climate change in the past
so whats the difference between all the other ice ages in the past and this one? we are speeding towards it at an unprecedented rate because of human intervention in the environment.
What i really cant stand is when people (most of the people who have posted in this thread so far) look at things in totally black and white terms. seems like the only viewpoints are "we should do nothing/nothing is wrong" or "ZOMG WERE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!111"
to the person who posted about smog testing for cars, you are basically correct, but there are many other sources of industrial pollution other than cars.
as far as the processing of CO2 (humans breathe out plants breathe in, etc) yes this is basically true but plant and algae life is currently on the decline on a global scale, so our ability to process CO2 is dropping while our CO2 output is rising.
the fact is that we ARE presently headed towards an environmental disaster that will probably kill most of the human race if we dont do anything about it. However, we can do something about it, and that does NOT mean we need to give up technology, stop driving, or play eve less. we just need to be smarter about how we do it.
It also does not mean that every stupid thing we do in the name of the environment is a good idea. recycling is a great example of this. in many places there are really good recycling programs set up, but also in many places the recycling system is just a scam to save municipal costs on garbage disposal. it just depends how its set up and who's running it.
Just saying that al gore is invested in green energy therefore nothing he says matters is total crap. if you beleive in what your preaching, is it wrong to put your money where your mouth is?
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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.13 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Fenderson on 13/03/2007 11:39:35
Originally by: Lieutenant Loco
Co2 is bad for the environment:
What a joke. The kingdom of plants (Biology class kiddies) thrives in high CO2 environments. The photosynthesis of plants requires two simple elements: Co2 and H20. Now, if the sea levels are rising, that means more water right? and more Co2 means more plant life. Also, photosynthesis requires one more important thing: sunlight. So, could you not say that plant life would thrive in a sunlit, C02 swampland? So tree huggers unite! If global warming is occurring, there'll be more plants. (which means more animals, etc. Follow the food chain people.)
This may seem to make "common sense" to you, but in reality plant life and especailly algae life (algae processes alot more CO2 than plants on this planet) are on a major decline on a global scale.
So maybe your "common sense" is telling you that plant life should be booming from all this CO2, but science and empirical observation would strongly disagree.
CO2 is easy to dismiss as "non-harmful" for the obvious reasons. It is NOT a toxic, smog causing chemical like alot of industrial pollutants, and like cars used to give off before we drastically raised emissions standards.
However, CO2 is a greenhouse gas. That means that higher CO2 concentration in the atmosphere means less ability to diffuse heat from the atmosphere into space. We can't see this in a very tangible way because a CO2 contaminated atmosphere LOOKS just like a healthy one to the naked eye, but it causes global temperatures to rise which eventually means devastation to the earth's ecosystems.
We KNOW that C02 levels are on the rise, and we KNOW that global warming is happening. The only real debate is over how much of it is caused by humans, and what the chances are of doing something about it.
Stepping away from science for a moment, i personally prefer to believe that we can do something about, because its a hell of alot better to live life thinking we can do something about it than to just resign our entire race to die.
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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp
Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.03.13 12:00:00 -
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heres a little gem for those of you who dont think humans are having an impact on global C02 levels:
Though natural amounts of CO2 have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million (ppm), today's CO2 levels are around 380 ppm. That's 25% more than the highest natural levels over the past 650,000 years. Increased CO2 levels have contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long record. (Boden, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center)
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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.13 15:40:00 -
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AND ANOTHER THING!!
(sorry couldnt resist that)
I am know from my personal experience growing plants in controlled environments that too much CO2 can be just as harmful to plant life as too little, much in the same way too much oxygen can be toxic to humans.
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Fenderson
OLE Mining Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.13 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Originally by: Fenderson
This may seem to make "common sense" to you, but in reality plant life and especailly algae life (algae processes alot more CO2 than plants on this planet) are on a major decline on a global scale.
That has more to due with water pollution than temperature changes though.
yes it does have alot to do with water pollution. i was not saying that more CO2 causes plant life to decline (altho that is actually true to a certain extent).
my point was simply that atmospheric CO2 levels are rising, while our ability to process CO2 is in decline. We cannot rely on the earth's capacity to sink CO2 if we want to survive.
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