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Sabahl Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 20:57:00 - [1] Exploration escalation sites are the business! They are fun to track down and give complex loot. Now anyone who can use a scan probe launcher has a chance of getting their hands on a big lump of lootage. So lets remove the static complexes from the game once and for all. Discuss...
Saskia Elko Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2007.03.12 21:02:00 - [2] translates to "LV can no longer use theirs so noone else should either" snip -please do not use that. -Kaemonn Originally by: Dianabolic That's what I'm saying, yes. If you fly with people that make you look bad, guess what? You look bad.
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.12 21:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Sabahl Exploration escalation sites are the business! They are fun to track down and give complex loot. Now anyone who can use a scan probe launcher has a chance of getting their hands on a big lump of lootage. So lets remove the static complexes from the game once and for all. Someone hasn't been to the drone regions i guess? Originally by: Sabahl Discuss... This is a it like saying, Boot+Posterior=? Or you are being sarcastic?
Rossi46	Posted - 2007.03.12 21:07:00 - [4] Hah, although the OP has a point. I am fed up with all the Empire complex being run by the same people all the time, not giving anyone else a chance. Why should the ability to run from on location to another in time to catch a spawn be rewarded? I have been trying the exploration unknown complexes myself and they are damn good fun, even if the chance of a reward is only 50/50. Ending up in a newbie system and spawning arkanor roids for the hell of it made my day yesterday, and I managed to walk away with some nice Pithi items as well from another. And as for the *****ing going on in the corporation summit forums over RA stealing the complexes from everyone, how can this be a bad idea?
Sabahl Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 21:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Sphynix Originally by: Sabahl Exploration escalation sites are the business! They are fun to track down and give complex loot. Now anyone who can use a scan probe launcher has a chance of getting their hands on a big lump of lootage. So lets remove the static complexes from the game once and for all. Someone hasn't been to the drone regions i guess? You're right. What's going on out there? As for the guy going on about LV losing their 10/10, a single complex hardly means that much matey. Besides, we have others
Ingols	Posted - 2007.03.12 21:21:00 - [6] The time to get rid of static complexes was about 3 years ago.
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.03.12 21:24:00 - [7] Edited by: Dave White on 12/03/2007 21:20:29 Personally I think it's a great idea to remove static complexes. Make them 'move', each downtime. Within the same region though. Having 10/10's in Jita and alot of crap complexes in 0.0 would be silly ofcourse.
Edgars Sults LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.12 21:31:00 - [8] Personally, I thought that static plexes would be removed when the exploration sites were introduced. I was quite surprised that CCP kept them. Wasn't exploration the solution CCP thought up for static plex farming and all that stuff?
Nero Scuro Caldari Jejaikaro Corporation	Posted - 2007.03.12 22:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Ingols The time to get rid of static complexes was about 3 years ago. Remove them a year before they were ever added? Retroactive nerfage! I like the way you think. ___ Nice one CCP
Voerung Gibson Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.12 22:22:00 - [10] I agree with Sabahl. Exploration has opened a whole new way of exploring spare and finding secret sites. Any player can spot a complex as the acceleration gate is shown on the overview. Exploration is fun and sometimes you find a place with a little more resistance than expected. Very interesting subject to discuss.
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.12 22:27:00 - [11] Sounds Fair...let the Complexes rotate 0.0 And yes i have access to them. Originally by: Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Azaries Caldari Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:14:00 - [12] Seems like a good idea to me. It would reinforce the idea of exploration and escalating paths.
jamesw Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:21:00 - [13] Complex camping/farming is pretty lame. I support static complexes being removed for exploration. -- Latest Vid: Domination!
ghosttr Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Sabahl Exploration escalation sites are the business! They are fun to track down and give complex loot. Now anyone who can use a scan probe launcher has a chance of getting their hands on a big lump of lootage. So lets remove the static complexes from the game once and for all. Discuss... Unless of course you happen to reside in the drone regions then you dont get static or exploration complexes. Mebbe they can fix that... HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.13 01:44:00 - [15] Complexes are teh suck. Remove them and missions. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Dillon Arklight Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.13 06:42:00 - [16] It sounds like a resnoable suggestion. It would eliminate the complex farmers and encourage more player interaction and co-operation.
Sebaoth	Posted - 2007.03.13 06:43:00 - [17] Signed. Finding secret military bases should be found on searching not warping to global beacon anyway. Any state that can hide their strategic assets WILL hide them. space just makes it even more easier. So more like why there even is static complexes anymore at least the harder ones. good sides: -makes complexes more interesting -makes farming more interestin bad sides: -makes farming more interesting. -need to code some.
Shakka Zulu	Posted - 2007.03.13 07:27:00 - [18] Just change all the local complex to instances. Everybody got a chance to play. After all, this is a game. It is ridiculous that you can't even play a bit of complex in an entire game life. So, c'mon ladies n gentlemen, lets play instance complex run, yeah! Bansai Bansai Bansai
Khyron Kravshera Caldari Clarity of Purpose	Posted - 2007.03.13 07:36:00 - [19] I agree. Static complexes days have passed. They have and will continue to get exploited. Just say 'no' to static complexes.
Celeste Coeval	Posted - 2007.03.13 07:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: Ingols The time to get rid of static complexes was about 3 years ago. Remove them a year before they were ever added? Retroactive nerfage! I like the way you think. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein
Elerie Dana Paxton Industries	Posted - 2007.03.13 07:43:00 - [21] Signed!!!! Let exploration be the avenue to do complexes and Stop Complex Farming.
Freya Runestone Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.03.13 08:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Shakka Zulu Just change all the local complex to instances. Everybody got a chance to play. After all, this is a game. It is ridiculous that you can't even play a bit of complex in an entire game life. So, c'mon ladies n gentlemen, lets play instance complex run, yeah! Bansai Bansai Bansai Yay!! WoW in space! woot __________________________________ need a new sig :(
Phyrr Minmatar The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.13 08:13:00 - [23] Yes pls then I can make a living
Kahor Minmatar Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.13 10:02:00 - [24] Edited by: Kahor on 13/03/2007 10:01:26 Rather, it's time to FIX the non static plex before people like you that haven't tried em yet can make stupid suggestions. Edit : it's not a bad idea, but you guys should be whining about fixing the exploration plexs before you suggest we remplace the statics by them. And no, I don't remember doing any static complex, but I did try exploration. ---------------- An eye for an eye make a whole world blind. snip, do not evade the word filter with your sig. Email [email protected] for more information. -HornFrog
Joebarchuck	Posted - 2007.03.13 10:08:00 - [25] I have never been to hidden complexes even though I know how to scan for cosmic signatures. Do we find them in all systems? Are they in low sec mainly and if so, what type of complex and modules can we find there? Thanks
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 10:38:00 - [26] How will non static complexes reduce farming. other than a slight delay while new and or necessary skills are trained. whats to stop the farmers from going after them like everyone else and exploiting them. if anything wouldnt that lead to farmers using MORE characters to accomplish the same thing.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2007.03.13 10:46:00 - [27] Edited by: Tiny Tove on 13/03/2007 10:43:08 Removing all the known and reliable static complexes, relying instead on random and unknown complexes, increases the opportunities for the Devs and GM's to spawn stuff all their favourite alliances. Sounds good. WTS: T2 Rug BPO. 50% reduction in community memory retention per level trained in "Whitewashing".
Red Desire	Posted - 2007.03.13 11:16:00 - [28] I'm disgusted by the state of the static complexes, farmers there and farmers here. The ideea behind them, that you have to be at a exact hour is silly, the normal player of eve doesn't have a chance to do the complexes. Exploration on the other hand, it could be fun AND it give chance to the real players to taste what eve has to offer. To stop farming on the exploration complexes, you could decrease the chance to find them for the ones that play eve 24/7 and farm them. Come on CCP, the farming thingie has blown out of proportion with T2 printing presses and complexes, take a stand , show us that you care what your game becomes.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 12:06:00 - [29] Kinda funny that LV start saying this now- not that I don't think you believe it, but being free of owning any 'plexes actually frees you up to say what you really think. You're actually impartial! From an alliance member perspective, I like static 'plexes as they're a nice easy steady income. But with my neutral hat on, I'd love to see all static 'plexes turn mobile, shifting around at DT. Not by much (maybe staying within a single constellation), but still shifting. A) Its more realistic. If I was chief in charge of a Serpentis drug making operation, and my base just got slaughtered by elite pod pilots, why exactly would I set it up again in the exact same place? And after the 700th time it gets slaughtered, why haven't I learned my lesson yet?! B) It encourages constellation control over individual system control- in line with the "constellation sovereignty" we're expecting any day now. C) It'll stop people camping the same system 23/7, leaving their equipment there, logging in a POS right next to it, and so forth. D) When anchorable gate guns come in, it'll be too easy to make an individual system practically impenetrable. If a single system has a guaranteed billion isk prize in it, its going to be turret spammed to the eye brows. Have it shift around inside a constellation, and it'll take the emphasis off spamming one system, and put it back on securing the whole area. E) It'd be awesome. --------
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.03.13 13:45:00 - [30] /signed, move all complexes into the exploration system. Doing a complex only to find that it has allready been done is so lame and disheartening. Away with static stuff like this. ----------------------------------------------- My Top 10 List
SasRipper DIE WITH HONOUR	Posted - 2007.03.13 13:55:00 - [31] Quote: OMFG I CANT HOLD A 10/10 & I HAVE MAX EXPLO SKILL BECAUSE I LIEK SUCK @ PVP & LIEK EXPLO SITES SUCK & I DONT LIKE RUSKYS FARMING 10/10 /CRY Think that sums it up tbh \|- My Sig loggedoffskied -\| Save Radar Scanner Man!
MrLobster Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.13 14:07:00 - [32] Originally by: DrAtomic /signed, move all complexes into the exploration system. Doing a complex only to find that it has allready been done is so lame and disheartening. Away with static stuff like this. Yeah there are a few plexs that people cannot complete due to not destroying the last building, or not doing the last part at all. Some people even do the Hack/Arch plexs without even having the skills to open the cans (thanks to those guys btw :) ______ Catch the Penguin!
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.13 14:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Crumplecorn Complexes are teh suck. Remove them and missions. Take out missions and i'll kick your assmar. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Celeste Coeval	Posted - 2007.03.13 15:42:00 - [34] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 13/03/2007 15:38:11 Originally by: Tiny Tove Edited by: Tiny Tove on 13/03/2007 10:43:08 Removing all the known and reliable static complexes, relying instead on random and unknown complexes, increases the opportunities for the Devs and GM's to spawn stuff all their favourite alliances. Sounds good. you continue to play why exactley? Ah the S&M type are we? "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
Tiny Tove	Posted - 2007.03.13 16:50:00 - [35] Edited by: Tiny Tove on 13/03/2007 16:48:18 Originally by: Celeste Coeval you continue to play why exactley? Ah the S&M type are we? Misdirected sarcasm aside, I still play because my subs havn't run out on my accounts, and when they do, they'll probably get renewed because:- a) I've not heard of any MASSIVE & CCP APPROVED CHEATING in Empire Space yet. That's not to say it can't happen, it just doesn't appear to have happenned yet, blimey, all playing by the same rules... wow imagine that. snip - Do not discuss that CCP representatives cheat on a massive scale under the cover of anonymity, and if you ever mention our beloved macros ever again we'll cancel your account without warning. - Hutch. b) Darkfall isn't out yet. Change a) or b), and I'm gone. And I already know who gets my stuff, kthnxbye. Eve IS utter sht. Unfortunately, for now, it is the very best sht you can buy. WTS: T2 Rug BPO. 50% reduction in community memory retention per level trained in "Whitewashing".
Sabahl Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.13 17:00:00 - [36] !!! Anyway, for a moment can we please put aside whatever corp or alliance everyone is from and look at the underlying principles behind the OP? Please do not attempt to inject real debate or ideas into the General Discussion Area. It confuses the trolls. - Snoopy Poor bard, I must give you a cookie!- Tirg
Hermia HIVE X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.13 17:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Sabahl Exploration escalation sites are the business! They are fun to track down and give complex loot. Now anyone who can use a scan probe launcher has a chance of getting their hands on a big lump of lootage. So lets remove the static complexes from the game once and for all. Discuss... Yes... to removing static complexes. 1) It adds fun 2) Helps with inflation 3) Levels the playing field somewhat 4) discourages isk sellers (although not by much)
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 17:13:00 - [38] Originally by: Paladineguru How will non static complexes reduce farming. other than a slight delay while new and or necessary skills are trained. whats to stop the farmers from going after them like everyone else and exploiting them. if anything wouldnt that lead to farmers using MORE characters to accomplish the same thing. Because it will stop the KNOWN high-value plexes being farmer-camped 23/7 - they'll have to go out and look for them like everyone else. Sure they can find one and exploit the h-ll out of it, but once it's gone it's gone.
OneSock PLuSQuAMPERFEkT iNc	Posted - 2007.03.13 17:49:00 - [39] Id say remove all but the noob plexs. You have to provide 1/10 or 2/10 plexs for the noobs because they won't have the skills for exploration.
Standard Deviation	Posted - 2007.03.13 18:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Saskia Elko translates to "LV can no longer use theirs so noone else should either" Not an LV fan, but LV members even complained about them when they were farming their own.
Kel Dario Amarr Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.13 18:13:00 - [41] I agree fully, those static complexes are just a relic of old (read: bad) design that needs to go. Exploration for the win :D
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.13 18:41:00 - [42] /me agrees with op If they were to do this though they need to make exploration equally as good in 0.0 Aka a COSMOS Const is way better for exploration then a region with no NPC Stations and no COSMOS Const.
Nimani	Posted - 2007.03.13 18:47:00 - [43] I support this idea. But how would this affect invention? Invention requires you to farm hacking complexes, and having to spend even more time looking for a hacking plex that gives the parts that you need would nerf invention even more then it already is. /Nimani
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.03.13 18:48:00 - [44] Edited by: Kruugore on 13/03/2007 18:44:54 I agree. Static complexes don't make sense. You'd think after being camped for 23/hr 365 days a year, The pirates would learn to move their frickin base! CCP Remove Static Complexes. At least anything 6/10 and above, make them move at least once a week or something. EVE Vault, A Great Community
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.13 19:17:00 - [45] Motion proposed, seconded and approved. Change pencilled in for 2011. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
pigofparadise Minmatar S-44 Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.03.13 19:24:00 - [46] I agree fully with this. In addition, i think they should use the 'Ship Log xxxxxxxx' drops to let people (noobs) do plexes as well. Make them work as bookmarks, rightclick -> add location. Would be a nice change for the current maps to deathtraps in lowsec.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.03.13 19:31:00 - [47] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 13/03/2007 19:28:50 Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Paladineguru How will non static complexes reduce farming. other than a slight delay while new and or necessary skills are trained. whats to stop the farmers from going after them like everyone else and exploiting them. if anything wouldnt that lead to farmers using MORE characters to accomplish the same thing. Because it will stop the KNOWN high-value plexes being farmer-camped 23/7 - they'll have to go out and look for them like everyone else. Sure they can find one and exploit the h-ll out of it, but once it's gone it's gone. If complexes move around, the would-be-farmers have to follow them. This means that they can't perpetually hide, cloaked, in the last pocket of a deadspace, and competing players have many more chances to catch them- either at gates, or by probing the farmers down while they're in a system probing for complexes. I think this is an excellent idea- we'll obviously need far more exploration complexes to replace the static ones... ------ Top speed calculation spreadsheet - feedback welcome :) Army of doom headcount: 26,045
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Barasu Minmatar E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.13 19:56:00 - [49] I agree with some of this and I like it! My favorite TV show is The Red Green Show.
Sgt Napalm Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.03.13 20:00:00 - [50] Yes, remove it --- [Video] Skool of Harpy - Da Blarpy
JonLuc McPew	Posted - 2007.03.13 20:09:00 - [51] Edited by: JonLuc McPew on 13/03/2007 20:08:18 Complexes have to be a huge source of "free" isk, regularly farmed and often by the same people, so inflationary, yes? CCP is intitiating some other supposedly anti-inflationary measures, it would be hard to see why they would miss doing anything here, but ya never know... Remove them entirely, make them drift around, or at least throw them into exploration. Quote: Originally by: Crumplecorn Complexes are teh suck. Remove them and missions. Yes, complexes suck, for reasons others here have described better than you or I. The rest of your comment: Flamebait and usual lack of foresight. Like EVE would survive for one second economically without some PVE content, fortunately CCP disagrees and wants to be successfull.
Macrowarp	Posted - 2007.03.13 20:13:00 - [52] Don't see many RA people chiming in with support in here..
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.13 21:29:00 - [53] Remove the beacons for every complex, and make them move around their region after each run and each downtime. They'd still exist, but you'd find them just like exploration sites. The COSMOS areas could be another story, however those could just shuffle around in the system itself. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Sabahl Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.14 00:11:00 - [54] Personally, I never ran a single complex in all of LV's former territory. As for the guy who was asking about hacking complexes, don't worry, I was only talking bout getting rid of the static complexes. The current run of exploration complexes are fine as they are, IMO. And amazingly, 99% of the people posting on this thread seem to agree with me! :D
JimBob Moving	Posted - 2007.03.14 05:21:00 - [55] /signed fix exploration sites while you are at it. Roll it all into one system. Then we might think that the 10/10's are more than just toys devs put in the game for themselves...
Tragizz Fil	Posted - 2007.03.14 07:18:00 - [56] CCP introduces invention which is highly gimped compared to normal T2 BPOs. CCP introduces exploration complexes which are highly gimped compared to normal 10/10 complexes. Seems like CCP should make the new dynamic stuff they've introduced more worthwhile before they remove the older static stuff.* *I haven't invented or run an exploration complex but I've heard horror stories about both. As an aside, whats wrong with limited resources that people fight over? is it just that you're losing? Should CCP remove finite asteroids and rats and make space not worth fighting over?
Edgars Sults LFC Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.14 08:01:00 - [57] Originally by: Tragizz Fil CCP introduces exploration complexes which are highly gimped compared to normal 10/10 complexes. *I haven't invented or run an exploration complex but I've heard horror stories about both. Well, if you haven't done any exploration plexes, how can you know if they're worth it ir not? Heard someone whining? They're good. I've done a couple. Good money in those. And yes, I support removal of static plexes. Make the farmers work for their ISK!
Brixer Dai Dai Hai	Posted - 2007.03.14 11:23:00 - [58] /signed Get the static plexes into exploration, or just 'DELETE from static_plexes WHERE ded_lvl > 2' from the database. CCP has more or less confirmed more content will be moved into exploration, but with Revelations we saw quite a few new 3/10 warehouse plexes pop up in some constellations. How did that happen ?
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.03.14 11:42:00 - [59] Didn't CCP just add a bunch of new 10/10 complexes a few months ago? I doubt they have any plans to remove them any time soon. I like that the complexes are static, they can be a large reliable revenue stream for a corp or alliance provided they fight for it. Controlling a high level complex is just as important as holding a conquerable station system, and fought over just as much. The complexes also provide more variety between regions. The amount, type and difficulty of complexes in each region are big factors in what makes that region unique or valuable. I don't think that complexes need to be removed, but there are some tweaks that need to be made. They should definitely be harder to farm than they currently are. - Remove 2/10+ complexes from highsec. The amount of drama that I have seen caused from people running the more valuable complexes in highsec is amazing. Key-farming, using alts to steal other peoples keys, popping someone elses wreck and getting concorded to prevent them from getting a key, etc. People should be allowed to fight over complexes, instead of racing each other under concord protection. - Stagger spawns. Right now the complex spawn timers reset at downtime, meaning an overseer with a 17 hour respawn timer would respawn at 12:00 and 05:00 every day. Change this so the spawn times would be 12:00, 05:00, 23:00, 16:00, 09:00 etc preventing the same 5 people from simply logging on at the same time twice a day to farm like clockwork. - Disallow the overseer respawn while someone is on grid. Prevents farming, nuff said. - Disallow cloaking in overseer grids. Would prevent someone from greifing a complex by leaving a cloaked ship on an overseer grid preventing its respawn if previous rule was applied.
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.03.14 11:48:00 - [60] I think 0.0 space should be populated with more static content to fight over be it complexes, 0.0 Cosmos, purchasable Agents for Conquerable stations/outposts, Gas Clouds or something completely new. There should be more to identify a region to make them unique other than the type of rats and trusec/layout of systems.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.14 13:40:00 - [61] Originally by: Fubear I think 0.0 space should be populated with more static content to fight over be it complexes, 0.0 Cosmos, purchasable Agents for Conquerable stations/outposts, Gas Clouds or something completely new. There should be more to identify a region to make them unique other than the type of rats and trusec/layout of systems. Asteroid distribution and size -- not static plexes for isk-farming. Get rid of static plexes. They distort the game.
Blitzkrieg Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.14 14:13:00 - [62] What a fantabulous idea /signed
Sabahl Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.16 17:33:00 - [63] Now if only we had a dev pop along to give us some indication as to whether this is on the roadmap at all.....
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.03.17 15:15:00 - [64] Edited by: Kruugore on 17/03/2007 15:11:26 They should be removed. Take the Carebear out of 0.0 0.0 is for effort. Not easy mode ++Isk :) EVE Vault, A Great Community
Yarpen	Posted - 2007.03.20 12:56:00 - [65] Sounds like a good idea as long as complexes rotate within the same region and there are no chances of good complexes to move to empire space ;-) It would prevent the same people camping them every &%ú*&^% day...
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.03.20 13:09:00 - [66] Originally by: Ingols The time to get rid of static complexes was about 3 years ago. Also Known As
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2007.03.20 13:11:00 - [67] WHAT?!?!?! And loose all those RA accounts??? A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..

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