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Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.08.15 11:52:25 -
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I like the discussion here, but there's too much mixed in together, like PVE vs PVP stuff and CONCORD mechanics and lore. I see why they should get discussed together, but it's difficult to win momentum for your voice when other baggages get attached to it.
I would definitely support uprising against CONCORD, be it RP orientated or game mechanic focused. In the EVE fiction before the Templar one (forgot the name...) Minmatar attacks CONCORD directly to achieve their factional goals. I like the idea of players having means to do something about CONCORD. But as things stand, and have been for some time now, avoiding CONCORD consequence is not even a valid game mechanic now, it's considered exploit.
CONCORD is putely an arbitrary game mechanic now, doesn't make much sense and no way to engage/interact with them in a meaningful way. A game mechanic change about CONCORD backed by good lore would be awesome.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.08.15 23:11:28 -
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For now, I do not wish to get deep into ganker vs 'victim' argument, there are many play styles that CCP needs to carter for and it's big can of worms.
But then there is the fact that CONCORD is omni-present and omni-potent in high-sec, defies all other game mechanics that are applied to capsulers and other faction forces, can one-shot anything and cannot be destroyed, and avoiding them (if you find a way) using whatever game mechanic is immediately deemed an exploit and patched.
That may or may not be 'necessary'' for game balance. But the way CONCORD defies all othergame mechanics of EVE is a tad strange for sure...
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Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.08.16 08:11:32 -
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I have not done the quantitative analysis, but logically ganking/newbie stomping can have muliple possible outcomes.
1. Emo rage quit this game sucks...
2. Holy ****! You can do this in this game? I want to do this myself!
3. Ah fock it. Let me read up on how to agoid this
4. I'm gonna PLEX and inject and get super bling to roflstomp thus guy
I can't say which reaction will be most likely, and there r probably more possibilities. But I think we can agree that any in game interaction with other players will not inevitably lead to only one possible reaction (e.g. Emorage quit).
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Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.08.16 09:11:15 -
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Well, as many have pointed out before, one can always play on sisi in complete peace and freedom, and it's a world where you don't have to risk anything.
The reason why both serious pvp AND pve players continue on tranquility though (even after heavy losses/disasters) because what you gain in sisi is meaningless. You can rat in supers and titans and do lvl 5 in low secs and hog all the resources in a quiet space in sisi - but all that isk or achievement on sisi is meaningless, both for pvp and pve players.
Maybe it says something about eve, that maybe we need this risk/loss/hostility/griefing and all that to make what we do meaningful - that you have achieved (whether pve or pvp) DESPITE the risk and hostility.
No risk and no consequence makes any action meaningless. People may discuss what is a good balance between pve and pvp, but the pure fact that majority of people persist on tranquility, or rather unsub than live permanent life on sisi, is a proof that we can exclude any notion of 'zero tisk' and/or '100% safety' as something that will NOT work in favour of player retention or growth.
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