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Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:20:37 -
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So, I left this game about 10 years back or so (with a brief resurgence about 7 years ago) - mostly because of the sheer amount of pointless griefing that was going on.
Then my mate said I should come back and start playing again. I grudgingly agreed to give it another go and see if the game had improved.
So... 3 days in, I've got my mining barge up and running. All good. I hop on over to a *cough* "safe" space Asteroid belt in 0.8 sec. 0.8 sec.... Not some crappy low sec. 0.8....
All is good for a while until suddenly out of nowhere, I notice warning lights and sirens go off.
Within half a secon, my shields and armour are gone and never enough time to hop back to the station.
Boom.
Shortly after that, the police finally decide to turn up and blow the idiot griefer up.
What for? There was really no point for this idiot to do this other than to just cause someone else problems. The fact that he had a 500,000,000 bounty on him says plenty, I guess.
Yep. Turns out Eve hasn't got any better.
Bit of a shame, really.
:-(
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Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:28:00 -
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I don't think you seem to understand what the term griefing means.
But that's ok. You tried. That's what counts... |
Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:55:00 -
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No..... griefing is committing an act for the sole purpose of causing grief.
Ganking is simply attacking someone who wasn't prepared for it.
Maybe you should learn your stuff..
For reference, this could be considered both ganking AND griefing, since the two are in no way exclusive.
Jeez, and I thought Elite players were bad at understanding simple concepts like this...
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Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.18 16:16:35 -
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Hmm, at least (most) of the last few responses have been reasonable with legitimate suggestions to consider.
(Aside from a couple of silly childish attempts at one line retorts from a couple of little kids).
So I appreciate the suggestions made.
It's possible I could have misremembered the sec as stated and that it was indeed 0.5 rather than 0.8.
That said, though, I would still expect even 0.5 to have much better protection than it appears to.
As I mentioned, I've only been back a few days after an almost 10 year hiatus from the game, so not familiar with Mining vessels being "tanks". New concept to me.
I'll also look up what a "Skiff" is, as I don't know that either.
Thanks at least to the couple of you who took the effort and maturity to prompt me to try and figure out how to get past this in a sensible way. That's appreciated.
I'm always grateful for reasoned and considerate advice when it comes.
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Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.18 16:29:42 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:No..... griefing is committing an act for the sole purpose of causing grief.
Ganking is simply attacking someone who wasn't prepared for it.
Maybe you should learn your stuff..
For reference, this could be considered both ganking AND griefing, since the two are in no way exclusive.
Jeez, and I thought Elite players were bad at understanding simple concepts like this...
Run your mouth some more and you'll be griefed again soon.
Sigh... calm down, dear... |
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Posted - 2016.08.18 18:00:22 -
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tainted demon wrote:I was playing Call of Duty the other day and while on my way to a sniping vantage point i got a shotgun in the face. I had a sniper rifle and "was not prepared" for close quarters combat what so ever, the griefing in that game is so bad because everyone runs about shooting at others.
Sc0rpyon is absolutely correct how dare someone create their own content in a player driven sandbox mmo.
It's not like he can mine in a higher sec space where concord have a faster response time, or there are other ships with better tank he can use for mining in less secure space... oh wait
You play Call of Douchebags.
Suddenly everything becomes clear.
Your opinion is invalid. |
Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.18 18:11:55 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Careful OP Gankers have very fragile ego's esp codies. Challenge their philosophy or methods and they meltdown the worst. They even may send you RL threats in the mail. 
Lol! Awww, now thats just pitiful.
Please tell me that the Code in Eve are more problematic than the poor excuse for pilots in Elite that use the name?
I know nothing of what they are like over here, but over in Elite Dangerous, they're a bit of a laughing stock.
I think people feel a bit sorry for them over there. |
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Posted - 2016.08.18 18:23:05 -
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afk phone wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Careful OP Gankers have very fragile ego's esp codies. Challenge their philosophy or methods and they meltdown the worst. They even may send you RL threats in the mail. You don't need to be careful. You can always come wh with my corp. Codies don't go to wh. Speak your mind, that's what forums are for. If they hound you for your forum words - that would be griefing.
Sorry, noob question: WH?
I only heard about Providence yesterday! Lol!
Though some things are frustratingly the same, much has changed in the last 10 years! |
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Posted - 2016.08.18 18:28:07 -
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With regards to speaking your mind, I often find that the ones who vehemently spit visciousness back at you for daring to complain about something that upset you, are often the ones who are most afraid of change or being found out.
They are often the ones engaging in underhanded or inethical practices who worry that bringing those actions to light will in effect cause the spotlight to shine on it or them and then change may happen.
Evolution of mechanics and practices often find these people to be the first left behind in changed circumstance.
And it terrifies them.
So I can understand why they freak out and lash out when anyone challenges the status quo. |
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Posted - 2016.08.18 19:03:36 -
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tainted demon wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:
You play Call of Douchebags.
Suddenly everything becomes clear.
Your opinion is invalid.
I don't really play COD was simply using it as an example to show how dumb your argument is when there is things you could have done to prevent it. like oh i don't know FIT RIGS maybe??? What is clear to me now is common sense is way over your head, so to make it simple for you Sc0rpyon, more tank = less gank tank means more hit points and resists on your ship and LESS gank doesn't mean you can never be ganked you are just less likely to be.
The only thing that is clear from your inane ramblings is the bare-faced arrogance you seem to enjoy throwing about like yesterdays discarded underpants. I can only presume you wouldn't recognise common sense if it stripped naked, painted itself purple and danced the bolero, singing: "Common Sense is here again...!"
Either way you've successfully proved your ineptitude when it comes to adding value to a conversation. Thank you for your unvaluable contribution. It was an important point which needed to be made. But I suggest we leave the rest of this conversation to those members with a brain larger than a grape.
Hmmm. In fact, are you SURE you don't play CoD... the facts imply otherwise... |
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Posted - 2016.08.18 19:12:54 -
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All this venom from a simple vent. Seems highly irrational.
I'm happy to ease back, Netflix and chill....
I pride myself on being polite and appreciative to those who offer a kind / sympathetic word or piece of useful advice.
But rudeness and spite only breeds ill repose and ire.
I apologise to anyone I may have offended, assuming they do the same in return. |
Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.18 19:51:21 -
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Doesn't anybody around here just talk about stuff?
:-( |
Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.18 20:52:45 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:So, I left this game about 10 years back or so (with a brief resurgence about 7 years ago) - mostly because of the sheer amount of pointless griefing that was going on.
Then my mate said I should come back and start playing again. I grudgingly agreed to give it another go and see if the game had improved.
So... 3 days in, I've got my mining barge up and running. All good. I hop on over to a *cough* "safe" space Asteroid belt in 0.8 sec. 0.8 sec.... Not some crappy low sec. 0.8....
All is good for a while until suddenly out of nowhere, I notice warning lights and sirens go off.
Within half a secon, my shields and armour are gone and never enough time to hop back to the station.
Boom.
Shortly after that, the police finally decide to turn up and blow the idiot griefer up.
What for? There was really no point for this idiot to do this other than to just cause someone else problems. The fact that he had a 500,000,000 bounty on him says plenty, I guess.
Yep. Turns out Eve hasn't got any better.
Bit of a shame, really.
:-(
I'm sorry for your loss, Sc0rpyon. This seems like a good time for you to invest in a Mining Permit. They're only 10m Isk and valid for one year. Reach out to me in-game and we'll set you up.
Thanks.
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Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:01:12 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:Hmm, at least (most) of the last few responses have been reasonable with legitimate suggestions to consider.
(Aside from a couple of silly childish attempts at one line retorts from a couple of little kids).
Sc0rpyon wrote:You play Call of Douchebags.
Suddenly everything becomes clear.
Your opinion is invalid.
Just going to leave these here
And now we're on to cherry-picking, like a feminist.
How wonderful! :-)
Can we all join in?
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Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.19 06:47:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:Doesn't anybody around here just talk about stuff?
:-( Looks like you just picked the wrong spot to vent. A quick forum orientation is in order i feel. New citizens Questions and answers : Vets being suspiciously nice to newbies, if there were candy involved the fbi would storm the place (go here for troll free general advice) General discussion : Here be trolls, its grand once you catch the beat and flow of it Warefare and tactics : Faction warefare smacktalk Ships and modules : I has ship, halp! Crime & punishment : the place to talk yourself/someone onto/off the shitlist ... Or just pay mercenaries. Player features and ideas discussion : Where sense goes to die Out of pod experiance : Here be solvent abusers, they giggle a lot and touch your face...
Hmm, thanks - this is good stuff to know.
Appreciated. |
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Posted - 2016.08.19 06:55:16 -
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Lawrence Lawton wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:Saeger1737 wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:No..... griefing is committing an act for the sole purpose of causing grief.
Ganking is simply attacking someone who wasn't prepared for it.
Maybe you should learn your stuff..
For reference, this could be considered both ganking AND griefing, since the two are in no way exclusive.
Jeez, and I thought Elite players were bad at understanding simple concepts like this...
Run your mouth some more and you'll be griefed again soon. Sigh... calm down, dear... Ignorant and condescending. Learn your place, miner. You have just earned yourself a place on the Red Pen List. Your permit costs are now tripled to 30m ISK and you are at increased risk of ganking.
Lawrence,
Your permit offer intrigues me.
I'm in.
Scorpyon |
Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.19 08:39:31 -
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I don't even "like" mining.
But that's what the storygiver dude wanted. 
I blame him...  |
Sc0rpyon
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Posted - 2016.08.19 10:36:34 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:Before you leave this time. And it will probably be for good. Can we have your stuff? If its mining equipment reprocess it and send over the minerals to Nitshe. Shrubbery Noragen will take care of, He's the edward scissor hands of eve. Ralph is a King so anything gold he will surely love. And dont forget to recycle something expensive in Bobs name. May your mining clone be biomass'd in peace. Bobmen. *Motions fingers over face in the form of celtic cross while whispering our saviors blessings. 
No, but I welcome any payments for thread-space purchasing via the use of replies and suchlike.
It all helps. Those mining barges ain't cheap, you know! 
Please send the ISK via escrow at your nearest convenience to my account. I am happy to take any amount in units of 1 million.
Your custom is most appreciated and we hope you enjoy our thread-sapce rental services.
o7 |
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:45:14 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Why, hello there, OP. 
Greetings, random citizen! |
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Posted - 2016.08.19 18:33:17 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I'll just leave this here, it is the current homepage. Another truism from Loyd. Well said young man, go you good thing. If it's obviously true and nothing new or interesting why do I have to constantly explain what the game is to ignorant people?
Because Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately.
You're a good example. |
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Posted - 2016.08.19 18:38:31 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:I'll just leave this here, it is the current homepage. Another truism from Loyd. Well said young man, go you good thing. If it's obviously true and nothing new or interesting why do I have to constantly explain what the game is to ignorant people? Because Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately. You're a good example. That's a cute relpy, however I'm not the one who said it is a truism. It's obviously not if you posted your OP right?
I was paying you a compliment, but as you like... |
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Posted - 2016.08.19 18:44:24 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:I was paying you a compliment, but as you like... Forgive me, maybe you can elaborate.
The Dunning-Krueger effect is where an individual finds a task or an ability easy and therefore assumes that in the same way others should also find this the case. However, they don't which can seem odd to the first individual.
In this respect, there are likely things that you (and others) find simple or straight forward that others don't.
And vice versa, of course.
It doesn't mean one (or the other) is more or less competent, but simply that their brain hardwiring is such that some things come naturally and some require more effort to accomplish. And all are different in their varying levels of this efficiency.
I was commenting that its good (for you) that you find these things easy / straight forward. That's to your benefit. |
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Posted - 2016.08.19 18:49:40 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:I was paying you a compliment, but as you like... I'm used to people just copying and pasting things they don't understand, I made an assumption I shouldn't have. I'm not familiar with what you mentioned. Forgive me, maybe you can elaborate.
Perfectly alright. :-)
The DK effect is something I have studied in depth.
I have a similar thing when it comes to natural musical talent - I have the ability to play any instrument at will, so when others struggle it's hard to work out why. And yet I suck at Art where others find drawing and painting easy. :-) |
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Posted - 2016.08.19 20:55:59 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Quote:Because Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately. Wooooooow, fancy! *picks nose*
*snips crap around the room*It's weird because I'm kind of understanding this differently ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DunningGÇôKruger_effectQuote:The DunningGÇôKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately. I'll translate. Low ability indIviduals (puke) suffer from IAMAWESOME, because they're literally too dumb to know they're dumb. They're so dumb, they're incapable of reflecting on it and it would take serious effort, having him follow a logical train of thought all the way through to the part(s) he doesn't consider he's missing. Logic is funny, because logic is always logical. Logic has no consideration for good or bad, it simply always works with the information at hand. As long as every information gathered fits to the rest logically, no matter how stupid the conclusion might be, it's still logical. The DKEffect is, in simple terms, lack of awareness of the missing parts. Or even simpler: Ignorance about one's own ignorance. A serious mental issue in my world, but vOv. In any case, what you describe as DK is not DK at all. You *were* insulting him.
No... just no. |
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Posted - 2016.08.19 22:47:51 -
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Solecist Project wrote:"Because Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately." This part is fine. They're clueless about being clueless. (and will argue against it when pointed out) They lack awareness about the fact that they could lack awareness about some facts. Oh god i love these wordgames! :D According to your own post, Mr. Loyd here is a great example of being inept (like: incapable) of recognizing his own ineptitude due to his low ability. "The DunningGÇôKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Dunning and Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive inability of those of low ability to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their ability accurately." Sc0rpyon wrote:No... just no. Fine with me! Go and change the article on wikipedia and get away with it.
You're citing... Wikipedia... as a source...?
Hang on - let me find that Onion article I read the other day. It's probably right up your street. |
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Posted - 2016.08.19 23:30:12 -
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Elyham wrote:
How can you be unprepared for an attack? You [left your house], which was your consent to be [attacked]...
Why does this sound so familiar....
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Posted - 2016.08.20 07:59:13 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Sc0rpyon wrote:Elyham wrote:
How can you be unprepared for an attack? You [left your house], which was your consent to be [attacked]...
Why does this sound so familiar.... And now we have officially blurred the line between game and real life. I give it a page or 2 until lock. Anybody wanna start a betting pool?
You're talking about a game which is actively encouraged to affect real life money, health, personal property and emotional wellbeing. And this somehow surprises you...?
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Posted - 2016.08.20 08:32:47 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Scorpyon, you had the wood on Loyd n Sol, stay out of the rough on RL themes. Listen to author of your guide here. 
I like the golf analogies :-) |
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Posted - 2016.08.20 09:29:07 -
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Sure I get what you're saying there, but I'm referring to the many documented cases where this game has affected people in their real lives and not only that, has been seemingly encouraged in the process. It is a shame to see a game have this effect on the real world in the way it does, but I suppose it is what it is.
And I think that in itself ties in with the very concept of griefing as an action. You invest real world time and money into this gane, so essentially you place a real world value on everythibg you do, whether consciously or not. And thats any sort of seemingly pointless loss can be upsetting to the one who loses it.
And therein lies the inefficacy. You are powerless to effect change to your circumstance.
Its a conundrum, for sure. |
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Posted - 2016.08.20 09:54:29 -
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Elite Harvester wrote:It's not griefing, just business. The business of saving Highsec. Maybe you should buy a mining permit for 10,000,000 ISK. 
A mining permit you say?
Intriguing.
I'm in...!
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:35:49 -
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Nitshe Razvedka wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:You lost one Retriever in a 0.5 System and all your other losses happened in Low Sec. And then you whine at the forums about grieving. Seriously, dude? Please tell us more about how that loss in High Sec did hurt your delicate feelings. Says the Minecraft legend who looses a tanked Hulk to Blood Raiders???!!!! ( cpu loose power?) Still see you have the Codie tramp stamp in your bio Jack. Nothin original to place up top??!! (Still on topic, griefing codies)
*milksnort* hehehehehe
Just going to leave this here:
http://www.chelwest.nhs.uk/services/surgery/burns-service |
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Posted - 2016.08.20 16:41:39 -
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Careful, he might accuse us of griefing.
Oh wait....
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Posted - 2016.08.20 19:35:28 -
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Jagd Wilde wrote:this has got to be an ag fluff piece, it's that full of fail. OP, why are you High Sec mining in a PVP game? And no, I don't for one second believe that High Sec miners do anything meaningful in this game other than provide tears after losing incorrectly flown ships. Play EVE correctly and you won't be so salty. or go back to ED? where all you have to do is play in offline mode, completely safe, like a carebear should be.
That was an important point, sir, and One that needed to be made.
Well done.
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Posted - 2016.08.20 20:14:28 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:Nitshe Razvedka wrote:
Jacqueline, what was the trigger word precious?
It was Nithse, definitely.  Nithse, maybe i should become a ganker too. I think that must be some serious fun, given all the salt and the tears, that other little brat is delievering. What do ya think Nithse, should i apply to join CODE?
Hey kid. A word of advice about begging for work. It helps if you spell the guy's name right.
Twice.
Lol. |
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