Originally by: Icarus Starkiller

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Ambulation...

What I'd like to know is why CCP is throwing their energy into something I can get at a few dozen other MMOs, whereas content that I cannot find in other MMOs is getting a back seat? Bugs are not being fixed, content not being brought forward in a timely manner ("soon TM" only goes so far), and things that were promised with the first release have *yet* to make it into the game.

So ditch the wasted effort of 'ambulation' and go back to what Eve is all about.

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Originally by: xRazoRx

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Originally by: Yougot Fubarred

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My question is to Vista or not to Vista?
As I said in the "Walking in stations" thread, in YET ANOTHER thread, I posted the dev interview that showed where a guy from CCP said that Vista WOULD be required for Ambulation... BUT anoter forum warrior posted a quote from yet another guy at CCP who said Vista WOULDNT be required for it and the thread kinda stalemated and died lol

so...
To be Vista or not to be Vista?

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The question is somewhat different... dx10 only or dx9?

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Originally by: Yougot Fubarred

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http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q1-2007/031307b.html

says different unless its changed

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Originally by: CCP t0rfiFrans

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Edited by: t0rfiFrans on 16/03/2007 10:22:12
Edited by: t0rfiFrans on 16/03/2007 10:20:40
Hi all

First of all, I'd like to thank you all for the great interest people are showing the Ambulation project. Second, I'd like to mention a few technical things about the trailer people saw:

1. All the graphics are in-game from our upgraded Trinity engine. The animation is motion captured and then blended using our new character animation engine.

2. The video was made on an Alienware Area 51 R4 Quad core SLI machine with two Geforce 8800 cards with 768 MB RAM each. I think the machine has 4 gigs of regular RAM. That's not the required spec for the final product, though, but as the shaders are yet unoptimized, we prefer working with such monster hardware when making trailers and such.

3. The engine runs in DirectX 9, Shader model 3.0 on Windows XP.

4. Everything was captured in Fraps and then edited in After Effects.

5. The trailer as seen on the Ten Ton Hammer website will probably never be released in its current form to the public. It was rushed through before GDC, with what we had running on our desktops at the moment. We feel it doesn't fully convey the richness of the station environments and the details in shading and texturing we intend to use.

6. We plan to release a proper trailer in a few months time. Yes I know, we're secretive bastards, but that's the cold brutal reality of life, I guess.


7. That's it!

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Originally by: Yougot Fubarred

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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ROFL

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YAY at least we got a sense of humor here!

Too many are the posts where ppl just stomp each other to death making their point instead of having some fun in it

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Originally by: Zeonos

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my wow account is now active :( and ive allready power leveled a hunter to 23, going stong on... played 18hours or so, in two days :(

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Originally by: Weeka

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Edited by: Weeka on 21/07/2007 08:05:09
What I'd like to see is fluff stuff, surrounding existing gameplay, not replacing it.

For example
ò full station alerts when the station is under attack, the option to give "leave the station" messages when #number of wardecced players appear in the system
ò a little beeper attached to the avatar informing him when a corpmate is attacked anywhere in the system
ò a terminal to check security status, or regular "attention, concord received information of recent pirate activity in the (close procimity) XYZ-System" messages
ò actually visiting the radio station where nsc give their "docking request accepted"
ò billboard-like screens annoucing current matches of the alliance tournaments
ò inviting your agent to a wine, thus temporarily raising the quality of the next given mission by 1 or suchalike


Well stuff like that ;-)

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Originally by: Asheyla Vareen

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I'll echo some sentiments I read early in the thread. If you add dancing, it should only be allowed in appropriate settings such as dance clubs or bars with music that are FOR DANCING. If I see people dancing in the hangars are war rooms....I'm done with it.

And I'll be severely disappointed if I see running and jumping at all.

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Originally by: Ominus Decre

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Originally by: Asheyla Vareen

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GOOD! I'll do a happy little jig right here at my desk, then. Also, I want to also ask the devs not to make it a click to move type of ambulation. There is nothing more annoying on this planet than click to move functions. I would lobby for the more realistic WASD, or arrow key movement feature.


EDIT: And character names and corp/alliance tickers floating over their heads = please no.

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"I completely disagree. WASD controls would likely cause me to NEVER use an avatar function in EVE. For one, it's a total distraction from the core play style (point and click) interface that make up the game.

it would be more immersive and intuitive to the standard theme of the game to facilitate a point and click movement for avatars. Being able to click on an object which would then have your character move towards and interact would be move nicer then twitchy WASD controls.

Jumping, running, twitch WASD controls and random innapropriate /emotes will be common sight if these control features were impllemnted.

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Originally by: Izo Azlion

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Originally by: Kayna Eelai

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maybe has been asked, but i don't have time right now for all pages...

OP mentioned of having different servers, so ppl. who do NOT wish the new rendered stuff can play with less lag... but... will those servers still be linked so every1 plays in the same universe or will it be separated like the test server is?

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We'll always be one giant server. Its just the graphics that will differ.

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Originally by: Altemi Calabre

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Personally, I cannot think of a more arbitrary, FOTM, staggeringly impressive waste of development time than this, especially considering that it's essentially just being used as a test bed at Eve customers expense for future WW development.

This feels every bit like Heat. Some 'wouldn't it be really cool if' idea tossed into the mix with no real justification for the play dynamic it adds or it's percentage utility.

I want my time in station to be efficient and expedient. I do not want to run around in station wasting time point to point just so it 'looks prettier'. This is NOT more immersive, as physical locale is _meaningless_ as long as we all have 100% perfect instantaneous telepathic level communication to ANY other location(s) in the game.

You're telling me the graphical skills of these developers couldn't have been better leveraged to making the overview actually work properly or offer better context sensitivity?

Offering better graphical and expedient means to do things like Tag for fleet ops?

Sure, the new ships will be prettier, we all appreciate that, why not invest those same people working on ambulation towards more arcade style control or better camera control options during fleet engagements? This was seriously the BEST invested project for their time?

To those that wanted this for RP purposes, I understand and sympathize. But this will not give you the forum you hope for as long as physical locale is meaningless for communications. Hell, I still can't so much as look out of a STATION to see what ships are in the immediate area without undocking and now to give me this function, you are going to make me use an avatar and run to a window? Give me THIS new functionality, which is just as pretty and impressive, without wasting all of our time and yours while so many other useful features would have been less controversial and more universally welcomed.

Heat was a gigantic waste of dev time from someone that played too much Battletech(tm) without giving it proper thought to its true utility in Eve and ambulation, to me, looks to be more of the same.

That's my two isk from the cheap seats.

Altemi

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Originally by: Renosha Argaron

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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Why do they all look like hookers?

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well personaly i would have said they look sexy rather than hookers....lol..but hey thats just me.....but hookers will do also...lol

Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Wow Renosha. Very nice. :)

Got any male avatar?

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And yeah im working on some male's also;)

Regards

Renosha

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Originally by: Georgia Nimntoria

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Edited by: Georgia Nimntoria on 07/01/2008 00:55:34

Originally by: Neon Genesis

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Originally by: Renosha Argaron

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Edited by: Renosha Argaron on 05/01/2008 16:53:09
Well i posted these before....but this is how i hope some of my chars will look....lol

Amarr Chic 01
Amarr Chic 02
Caldari Chic 01
Caldari Chic 02
Gallente Chic 01
Gallente Chic 02
Sebiestor Chic 01
Hyperion Bar
Amarrian Couple & Minmatar Slave (NEW!)

Regards

Renosha

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Every single one of these looks like a second life character who's about to engage in some kind of orgy.

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How Can I say this without coming off like a ugh.....anyway.....
Why do the females have to be skinny and look anorexic? I hope the Brutor females have big hips, big butts look like Brutors and not like the walking dead! Remember that old book-verse that says, "create them in our image" well close. I hope they don't create the Brutor's in that image from what I seen.

Every MMO always the same....
Not in posters image

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Originally by: Shilikahn

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ZOMGEVEgoesSLWTF

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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

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Oveur has already stated... there will be NO dancing (notice the caps on the NO )

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Originally by: Talisorn

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Originally by: INTACTized

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Edited by: INTACTized on 09/01/2008 19:38:59

Originally by: MotherMoon

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stuff

I don't understand why people aren't posting the 1 hour video of this on the eve-online site.

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Enlighten me with a link.

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I second the motion! linky linky please!

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Shilikahn

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ZOMGEVEgoesSLWTF

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god no, have you seen SL?

it might seem simlar at 1st to anyone that hasn't seen the horror that is 2nd life.

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Second Life is a very cool concept and technologically rather impressive. The problem is that it is used primarily as a furry sex sim and place for other weird sexual behavior.

I "played" it for a while and I enjoyed building things and scripting, but somehow got involved in drama and quit shortly after.

SL and Eve have a lot of similarites.

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Originally by: Vincenzo Delloro

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Shilikahn

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ZOMGEVEgoesSLWTF

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god no, have you seen SL?

it might seem simlar at 1st to anyone that hasn't seen the horror that is 2nd life.

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Second Life is a very cool concept and technologically rather impressive. The problem is that it is used primarily as a furry sex sim and place for other weird sexual behavior.

I "played" it for a while and I enjoyed building things and scripting, but somehow got involved in drama and quit shortly after.

SL and Eve have a lot of similarites.

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yeah but eve doesn't ask you for 10 bucks to go into a room and have sex with a unicorn so it spawns you your own baby unicorn pet.

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...yet.

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Originally by: SiJira

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i still find the characters too sexually provocative
all the characters seem to resemble a gallente style

if there are people that will be attracted to this game because of some virtual booty then having it covered up wont stop them - the amarr wear more cloaks and loose clothing that hides the body shape - caldari dress classy - you can make gallente even more naked if this is so important - and minmatar have their own style instead of another gallente sexually explicit image in your face

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: Talisorn

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A lot of people want this. A lot of people will enjoy this. The game is not just about YOU.

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A lot of people don't want this. A lot of people will not enjoy this. The game is not about YOU

Quote:

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fail much?
I want it.
my friends at school want it.
my wife wants it.
my art teacher wants it.
my roommate adam wants it.
my other roommate jeff wants it.
dan wants it.
Bel thinks it's cool.
YOU are not the player base and neither is HE neither am I.


so please go away.

Originally by: B1FF

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Name a single piece of socialization that you will be able to do in ambulation that is not possible currently. There's not a one. I'm sorry that your brain can't process /me waves and that you need a visual rep to figure out what words mean.

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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I'm sorry where in eve can I and my corp mates have a meeting with a large map that we can all point at and draw on?
I was unaware that a universal whiteboard exsitied.

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I'm sorry do I somewhere claim that these features already exist in EVE. Please go reread my post.

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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I'm sorry where in eve can I and my corp mates have a meeting with a large map that we can all point at and draw on?
I was unaware that a universal whiteboard exsitied.

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I'm sorry do I somewhere claim that these features already exist in EVE. Please go reread my post.

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yes you do.
it was one of my things on my list. and you said it allready happens.

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That is a flat out lie. Link please.

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Quote:

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Quote:
mothermoon:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
have corp meetings with a big map you can all look at together at the same time.
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you:

People already do this.

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Originally by: WulfWestphal

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Edited by: WulfWestphal on 23/01/2008 19:45:46
Edited by: WulfWestphal on 23/01/2008 19:41:40

Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: WulfWestphal

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while the first point would add a nice RP aspect game to the game, your second reply fails. where in eve can i sit at a bar right now? sure you can do it with emotes, but again: with ambulation it would be more immersive and many players like immersion. those who dont dont have to use it.

you are out of arguments beside the typical claiming to speak for other ominous players, while stubbornly expressing your own opinions as arguments.

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What does sitting at a bar get you that you don't have right now?

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well, tbh, if you have to ask, you would'nt understand my point. :)
as i said: immersion, probably RP. a nice break from heated spacebattles. something to do if im waiting for someone (now im just spinning my ship in the hangar... you all know how it is :) ). things like this.

edit: and ambulation is not about the map. stop drooling over it. ;)

edit2: you know, if i would sitting at a bar and there are other players, i would interact with them. its not the same as sitting in the hangar, staring at the ship and watching local. you cant see there, who wants to RP or idle talk. a dedicated channel perhaps is empty at the time or you know all the people and want to socialize with unknown players. well, the reason _for_ ambulation, its not something you can lay a finger on, i guess.

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Originally by: Agent Li

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Originally by: WulfWestphal

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well, tbh, if you have to ask, you would'nt understand my point. :)
as i said: immersion, probably RP. a nice break from heated spacebattles. something to do if im waiting for someone (now im just spinning my ship in the hangar... you all know how it is :) ). things like this.

edit: and ambulation is not about the map. stop drooling over it. ;)

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No, it's about looking like a ninja, or looking like a waitress at Hooters in anime clothing.

If you're unlucky, 12 year old kids will do the nasty to you just like they do in Call of Duty right now.

CCP has said it is for socialization only. Fine.

But it's going to consume server resources.

If it causes other things to lag, I will be against it.

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Originally by: WulfWestphal

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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imerssion!
If I wanted imerssion I would play harvest moon in binary!

he doesn't get it it's ok.

he's never played a space game in his whole life.
so what could we expect.

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wut, have i said something wrong? i played plenty space games, and liked the ones with character development and the whole "getting succked into the world" the most.

well i hope it was irony. :)

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Originally by: WulfWestphal

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Edited by: WulfWestphal on 23/01/2008 20:04:53

Originally by: MotherMoon

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WE need to go over 80 miles per hour to go back and time and stop biff form being interested in eve in the 1st place so that he'll never post!

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hehe, okay i understood.
but apart from all the useless doomsaying we need every opinion we get, even the negative ones. perhaps then ambulation will be something proper tested and thoughtout just to proof the "old men, waving sticks, saying: 'why cars? in _my_ youth we used to _walk_! through the snow! naked! while carrying wood! over pointy stones! stop inventing new crap and make better shoes!'" wrong. :)

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: Khalish Mo'Tashi

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*Troll babble*

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And that's what I get for feeding the trolls. I'm not the troll. I'm a dissenting opinion. I've provided lengthy explanations that have yet to be refuted. If you want to debate then debate. if not then *plonk*.

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Originally by: B1FF

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Show's how much I know. Maybe I need to learn that a www.google.ca deffinition[sic] of a word applies at all times. So if it's not in www.google.ca, it's not right, right Khalish Mo'Tashi?

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Originally by: Neu Bastian

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I didn't read through the whole thing because, well, its 24 pages, But please do think about people who can't run the new graphics when you implement this. It would suck if I have to update my graphics cards if I wanna RP with my corp. Just something like it is now, not as shinny, but equally functional.

And there better be dancing! party ****ers. If someone wants to RP dancing then they should be abble to. If someone wants to dance in the hallway, then that someone probably has issues, but he should be able to anyway.

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Originally by: Uzuness

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With how ugly my guy looks.. I'm not to sure I want to see what the rest of him looks like.
But, I am looking foreword to this.

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: Lord Evangelian

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I have realized Lord Evangelian is trolling with epic proportions, he is disguising his trolls as valid argument. An argument is the disagreement of an existing point resulting in the weighing up of the pros and cons for each stimuli until a resolution is found. Lord Evangelian is saying he is arguing the idea that ambulations is warranted and is not a waste of time. Ok, but this is his opinion. He has made his statement, so it is up to other people to argue against it.

This is where I am at annoyed at Lord Evangelian, because he is saying how other people will/will not enjoy the add-on to the game. He is also assuming that his thesis is 100% correct. It cannot be proven correct because it hasn't happened yet, if anything his statements are purely theoretical and hypothetical, so cannot been seen with the amount of credit and authority that he believes them to be valued.

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There I fixed that for you.

If I'm a troll then you and all the pro-ambulation people are also trolls.

I repeat yet again. I am not trolling. I see a huge design flaw and am trying to provoke discussion on it. Even though I raise valid points the main response I receive is, "Shut the **** up troll. Ambulation is cool." I feel these responses further prove my point. If Ambulation really was all that then you would be able to dismantle my points.

Instead I get this **** about it being my opinion. Yeah it's my opinion. I wrote it how could it not be? The idea that it's just my opinion and not valid is nonsensical. If everything I say can some how be invalidated by "It's your opinion." then everything you say is "your opinion" and thus equally invalid and meaningless.

I believe you think you will use ambulation. I also beleive you're wrong. The only argument I've seen for ambulation is that people have a hard time talking to others when all they have is a picture and text to relate to. These are the same people who on a daily basis make use of email, myspace, facebook, texting, IRC, and/or IM. In the real world they make extensive use of socialization technologies that have the exact same or less visual rep as what they are complaining about in EvE in their pro-ambulation arguments.

People will not stop playing the game to use full body chat.

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Originally by: B1FF

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I firmly believe immersion doesn't exist.

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Originally by: Adonis 4174

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Originally by: Tunak

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They maybe angry because they just bought the ship.

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No they didn't. A nonexistant character in a game moved some numbers around. Nothing was bought. The isk in your wallet is imaginary as is the ship you are flying. The fact that the imaginary number may have gone down when your imaginary ship got bigger doesn't make that anything more than an imaginary purchase.

Calling that buying is in itself a degree of immersion. To which extent B1FF's statement that there is no reward in Ambulation implies that he is also immersed since he perceives imaginary rewards as being actual rewards.

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Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Adonis 4174

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What I see here is people using the word immersion to mean different things.

It is demonstrable that things in game feel real to people. The number of people who get mad over having their nonexistant internet spaceship blown apart proves this as do the number of people who laugh over the wrecks of others' nonexistant internet spaceships.

This is immersion, not forgetting that you're sitting at a keyboard but rather feeling that the items behind the screen actually exist between frames of animation and that the ship you left in a station is actually in that station even though you have no way of checking what is in that station currently.

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Thought more bout this. Your saying any reaction is immersion. Thats wrong. Reaction and immersion are seperate.

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Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Adonis 4174

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Originally by: Tunak

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Originally by: Adonis 4174

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What I see here is people using the word immersion to mean different things.

It is demonstrable that things in game feel real to people. The number of people who get mad over having their nonexistant internet spaceship blown apart proves this as do the number of people who laugh over the wrecks of others' nonexistant internet spaceships.

This is immersion, not forgetting that you're sitting at a keyboard but rather feeling that the items behind the screen actually exist between frames of animation and that the ship you left in a station is actually in that station even though you have no way of checking what is in that station currently.

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Thought more bout this. Your saying any reaction is immersion. Thats wrong. Reaction and immersion are seperate.

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Can you give an example of what you mean?

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PvP is a game. It has a winner and a looser. If you win your happy. You react happy. If you loose your unhappy. You react unhappy. This is a normal reaction and not immersion. If you win at ping pong and get happy this is not immersion.

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Originally by: Talisorn

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I think we're talking at odds when we're talking immersion in a game. Immersion to me is the ability to switch off for a while and imagine you are somewhere else ... someone else. It comes easy to some people, while others just can't do it at all. While some may disagree, I find that immersion comes easier to those who have a vivid imagination and the ability to roleplay.

I've had enormous fun in WoW roleplaying my Dwarf, communicating in nothing but a broken (phoenetically spelt) scottish "accent" and playing a rough and tumble, hard drinking, tough character. I got more laughs and had more fun. But that kind of role-play comes easy to me .... I'm an old school role-player from at least 30 years back.

Why do you think my avatar is a angry looking wizened old Ammar? He's a hardened old bugger who's been through the wars. He's not some "pretty boy/girl" just out of the academy! "The academy teaches you nothing that experience cannot".

And here in comes the crux of the problem I see with playing a character without any representation of your character. In EVE you play a ship. You don't play a character. I find that too impersonal and stretches the imagination. Ambulation will put the humanity back into the game that has been lacking for so long.

Now will this appeal to everybody? NO! Many people approach EVE on purely a number crunching strategic/tactical level. To them their ship is nothing but a group of numbers and percentages that when faced with an opponent becomes odd of success or failure. These people do not play EVE because they are playing a character. Type A personalitys will get nothing out of ambulation. That's not a bad thing, but it's just not their game. (I suspect B1FF is one of these types).

Those of us however who prefer to socialise, relax, not necessarily drive to achieve but instead flow with the the game will be happy with Ambulation.

But that's my opinion. Roleplayers rejoice! Ambulation is coming.

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Originally by: Kurt Laundry

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: Kurt Laundry

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By reading your posts, i understand why YOU dont want this. YOU want instant gradification. All YOU care about is combat and the ability to do what you want RIGHT NOW. You pointed out THAT WE MUST WALK (not run) and that there is no instant travel and everything will just take longer.

My response, thank god. I like things to be slow.

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You don't know what I want. I have never stated that I want any of these things you attribute to me. Do not speak for me.

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Its called deductive logic.

Your entire point is that we don't need it and thus won't use it, and thus it is a waste.

My response: You're wrong

I do need it, I wont resub without it.
I will use it.
It is not a waste.

I will enter each and every station every time I go there. Some times I'll stay for 5 minutes, other times I'll stay for 5 days...its a sandbox.

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Originally by: Devanesc

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Although full ambulation will help with game immersion i personally am only looking forward to one aspect. Poker. If i can win isk, in game.... ooh how perfect would that be? Nothing like some good honest card playing to solve alliance stalemates, arguments and bank problems.

Dev

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Originally by: Fayte Seraph

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*drools*

cant wait.

Im just preying my computer will be able to handle it lmao

I hope agents also are in the station, like you can talk to them etc.
It'd be awesome to see a sansha agent with like implants hanging out of their head n ****.
And blood raider agent drinking red 'wine' :P

It will be intense.

I liked the reply about looking out the window and seeing the gank squad etc.
thatd be interesting, but since they'll be on different servers it might prove difficult.

Buying/Changing clothes change your ingame avatar?

Running is essential, what if your late for a very important date? :)

Faction clothes would be interesting.

I dunno, it all looks good. GJ

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Originally by: Cpt's Accountant

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Edited by: Cpt''s Accountant on 02/04/2008 18:47:32

Originally by: Rook Highwind

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Originally by: Mike Rowlings

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I wouldn't go as far as saying that but I certainly don't understand how CCP can put in so much effort into making us all walk in space stations and do all sorts of emoticons when there are so many bugs to be sorted out (ie. UI, lag.)

In addition, IMHO it would make much more sense to finally get us all into*****pits and really be pilots of our ships. That is what EVE needs, I think, not Ambulation.

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For the last time, they hired an extra, separate team to work on Ambulation. It's development is not, repeat, not cutting into bug fixing time or development of other "more important" features.

Nothing else would get done faster if work on ambulation was canceled.

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Exactly! CCP just happened get a bunch of money in a mail signed "free ambulationmoney" one day.

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Originally by: Gladius Maximuss

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any new updates on ambulation?

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Originally by: Mike Rowlings

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Gladius Maximuss

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any new updates on ambulation?

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still most resent
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1274008831?bclid=1302124741&bctid=1302124567

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Funny, in that video the guy giving the talk says at the beginning, as a reason to support the effort put into Ambulation (and its very existence), that "your character is a human."

To that I would say, yes my character is human but it is supposed to be a pilot too. So, where is my coc.kpit?

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Originally by: Omertra

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I just hope they put in-station PvP . That would be cool, it would be like a shooter. But then again I go to stations to be safe from people shooting at me.

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Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Originally by: Cpt's Accountant

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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no one day they bought out another company called whitewolf and then they got a big check in the mail labeled "world of darkness mmo"

so they hired 100 people in Atlanta.

and the CCP artists were bored.

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Don't know if you're trying at all or if you're plain ignorrant. CCP have used resources, quite substansial ones judging from the scale of this project, to implement ambulation.

Whether any other project have been put on hold and/or other projects have been given less resources due to this is not up for discussion.

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Originally by: Xparky

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Originally by: Xaa

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Originally by: Ereshkygal

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violent shootouts in losec and 0.0 stations please?

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No pod, no respawn.
That would be very sweet indeed.

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Wrong. No pod, skill points lost since left pod. Wake up in new clone.

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Originally by: I SoStoned

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If I recall correctly, Torfi stated in the Fanfest presentation that a /dance emote was not in the plans for the Ambulation project. As for rooms such as bars, I believe those are being planned.

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*phegh* Why not just port people over to Second Life whenever they dock, convert ISK to L$, and go from there. Whooo, weee, furry & over-endowed avatars everywhere! /rant

Ambulation is a good experiment for WoD, but it should never become Eve. Station camping is boring enough as it is.

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Originally by: Face Lifter

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in-station PvP should be something station owner can decide on. In other words, it would only be possible on player owned stations.

Since player owned stations let only friendlies dock, it would make it very hard to greif people by killing them in station. Maybe some low sec empire stations could also allow pvp, but when player chooses to "go out" he could get warning that pvp is allowed. Nobody has to leave the ship

So, there's definitely room for in-station pvp without it becoming too abused. A little abuse is ok.

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Originally by: Neth'Rae

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Originally by: Kyra Felann

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Originally by: Confuzer

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- Upload content for ISK (pictures on wall for instance, or a picture of my computer setup for on my rooms door :D

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No. We don't need immersion breaking crap like this.

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Agreed.
I also hope people won't be able to run around naked.
That's just as bad as a dancing emote..

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Do people actually think that the only part of the patch will be ambulation and nothing else? It will be just like Trinity, the main focus was the graphics upgrade, and then there were a whole bunch of other patches/additions/etc. Ambulation will be just like that. The main focus will be walking in stations, but there will be other things.


Now, on to part b. Are there people out there who honestly don't understand how stupid, horrible, and absolutely not beneficial, custom paint jobs would be?

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I fail to see the point of a feature that removes you from the game.

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Do people actually think that the only part of the patch will be ambulation and nothing else? It will be just like Trinity, the main focus was the graphics upgrade, and then there were a whole bunch of other patches/additions/etc. Ambulation will be just like that. The main focus will be walking in stations, but there will be other things.


Now, on to part b. Are there people out there who honestly don't understand how stupid, horrible, and absolutely not beneficial, custom paint jobs would be?

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while custom would be stupid do you see any reason to not let us use the skins NPCs allready have? Like blood raider skins. If you buy a tech 1 frigate BPO with the blood raiders it should have the same paint job the blood raider tech 1 frigte have no?

wouldn't this be a good middle ground?


I think lots of people see the point in a feature that remove you from the game

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Well yea, but as far as I am aware, if you buy a Blood Raider ship BPC, you get a blood raider ship out of it.

But I am assuming you mean that you don't get an Apoc with the falling apart looking skin, or something. I have only flown the different modeled faction ships (like Daredevil/Dramiel), so I don't know.

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Yes, they are, actually. It doesn't have to make sense for them to do so, they'll do it anyway. Why?

It's called Roleplaying.

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That's just not true. People can roleplay right now but they don't. Look at the people you talk with now and then check how many of them are docked in the same place you are. That is if you are docked.

You are describing an exception case.

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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now if you were to run for CSM and prove other people agree then maybe you could change something but even then CCP would jsut step on you and your 1% of the playerbase support. as would the rest of the CSM because we see it as a great expansion in what is eve.

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The CSM has no mandate. They were elected by 5% of the player base. Thus it's grossly inaccurate to describe them as representing the player base.

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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actully it was 20% the 5% was the 5% rule on voting. And over 30% of the playebased voted on issues in the assemble hall.

and as CCP said anything done by the CSM and finished into the game will be noted in the patch notes as CSM. Thus players will get more into it every election.

Also by your logic seeing as only 25% of people usally vote for goverment leaders the real world system is broken too, but that is whole differen OOP thread.

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That is a blatant lie. Please read the CSM Devblog

Total turn out: 11,8%
Total votes cast: 222.422
Votes cast for the CSM winners: 12.678
% of votes cast for CSM winners: 5,6%

The existing CSM was voted for by 5,6% of the player base. Describing them as representing the player base is grossly inaccurate.

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Originally by: Canock

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Originally by: An Anarchyyt

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Do people actually think that the only part of the patch will be ambulation and nothing else? It will be just like Trinity, the main focus was the graphics upgrade, and then there were a whole bunch of other patches/additions/etc. Ambulation will be just like that. The main focus will be walking in stations, but there will be other things.


Now, on to part b. Are there people out there who honestly don't understand how stupid, horrible, and absolutely not beneficial, custom paint jobs would be?

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Hopefully they'll fix lag issues too.

/me dreams.

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Originally by: Xelios Xarxes

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Edited by: Xelios Xarxes on 29/06/2008 05:22:35
Are you kidding? Every MMO I've ever played improved upon any latency problems that were either experienced server wide or by everyone in a specific area. In these cases it's not client side and has nothing to do with your ISP. Takes "magic" to optimize? Where have you been?


Anyway, looking forward to the ambulation. =)

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Originally by: Todd Jaeger

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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well it's going to be playable at fanfest so they better release it :P

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You really think thats what they mean, and there not going to have it running on some different engine? I was kind of let down when I heard that it still wouldnt be released until after fanfest

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: Mia Archer

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you talk about respecting other peoples opinoins but you have NO respect for anyone elses

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I don't have to respect anyones opinion if I don't want to. I don't know where the nonsensical idea that I have to came from. I'm allowed to criticize any opinion I want. Do you have something to say that's relevant to the thread or are you just here to attack me?

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Originally by: Ruze

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And anybody else notice that most games seem to build up from a social atmosphere? Why does it feel like EvE is going 'backwards'? Or is that just me?

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Originally by: Dapanman1

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Terrible idea, you're an idiot

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Originally by: B1FF

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Originally by: Ruze

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Me, personally? I don't like using EvE as an instant messenger. Getting out and talking with someone, digitally face-to-face, isn't going to be a hassle. I even prefer it to sending tells or talking in an open channel in other games.

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The face is fake and the words are real. You're putting more value into the impersonal.

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Originally by: Dapanman1

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Terrible idea, you're an idiot

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Originally by: Dapanman1

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Terrible idea, you're an idiot

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Originally by: Strel Samodelkin

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Will you be allowed to have your own residence, that you can customize?

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Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia

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Originally by: MisterBubbles

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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there will only be about 1 station per system you'll be able to out of ship in.

makes sense to me.. sort of :P

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Please document this claim.

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He can¦t, there is no document to support his claim. If there is whoever said this will be taken into a dark alley and re instructed.

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Originally by: Dkorg

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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there will only be about 1 station per system you'll be able to out of ship in.

makes sense to me.. sort of :P

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Link or STFU

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Originally by: Dkorg

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Edited by: Dkorg on 21/01/2009 15:31:36

Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Dkorg

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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there will only be about 1 station per system you'll be able to out of ship in.

makes sense to me.. sort of :P

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Link or STFU

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read the rest of the posts.

It was an interview from a site you can look up the quote I posted on eve-search.

And the dev already disbanded any fears.

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here is your complete post. There is no quote and no link.

there will only be about 1 station per system you'll be able to out of ship in.

makes sense to me.. sort of :P

Please cite your source or STFU.

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Because of just how much area we are talking about, there might be only a fraction of the total stations open to players, and then expand from there. We're still deciding on the exact number

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Originally by: Jalif

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Ambulation... ****ing wonderfull... a space game where more and more people stay docked. We already have to many people staying docked ffs!

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