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B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:40:00 - [601] No need for a long post. I'm not crying like a little girl. Your answers are indicative of the failure that is ambulation. Not a single pro-ambulation person has counted a single one of my points. So far the only arguments raised have been the following. 1. Shut up. 2. I want it. 3. It won't effect you. (This is hilarious because it's one of my points against it) 4. OMG I get to dance and play dress up! PONIEZ! It's window dressing. There are things the time could be better spent on. Time and resources are being spent on ambulation. That time and resources could be spent on other things.
James Swindle Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:42:00 - [602] Originally by: B1FF Originally by: Doomed Predator Edited by: Doomed Predator on 23/01/2008 15:13:48 To my knowledge you train skills by downloading information using pod technology. Will you be able to train skills when outside of the pod then? This is all from a RP point of view (I don't RP but I like that things are logical to some extent). Now if they make the avatars holograms that would make a lot more sense. Training skills would go as normal and you could explain the walking through other people. Just my 0.02 isk Well if you want to get all RP. Cloning also does not work outside your pod. To leave your pod is to become mortal. Have fun with that. Hope you don't trip and ***** your head on something. You say that like CCP can't just add a new chronical explaining a new invention in which they can now clone you and your brainwaves outside of a pod. Again i must
MenanceWhite Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:43:00 - [603] Originally by: B1FF rabble rabble Well I'll tell you something I can do with ambulation and that is to e-*** lonley nerds for free isk/items with my more visible female avatar and ZOMG BOOBIES. People may call that lame, but hey it's as legit and valid as scamming, corp theiving, stealing and shooting other people and looting their stuff. It's the -I S K- and having fun that's important after all. --- Originally by:** Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Claska Amarr XxTiggerxX Corp SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:44:00 - [604] Edited by: Claska on 23/01/2008 15:45:05 Edited by: Claska on 23/01/2008 15:44:26 No offense B1FF, but what what is your problem? can't you just accept that some people WILL like it? To some people, making your avatar look nice, opening up a shop, Talking to another person in a bar like environment is important, weather it is to your or not doesn't matter matter when it comes to some one else. Its not like you have to use it. so shut up and just not use it if it concerns you so much. Any way, to some people making there character look nice is something fun and interesting to do. Also don't forget that the engine there using to power ambulation is going to power World of darkness. Ambulation is something there using to test the engine at the same time as adding new content which just happens to be a new more interesting way to socialise.
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.23 15:53:00 - [605] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: B1FF Name a single piece of socialization that you will be able to do in ambulation that is not possible currently. There's not a one. I'm sorry that your brain can't process /me waves and that you need a visual rep to figure out what words mean. sigh if i must. talk face to face sit down at a bar gamble at a table WALK show off your ship have corp meetings with a big map you can all look at together at the same time. besides most of this is being made by the other 50 people they are hiring for a different game. Shake boobies. You cannot underestimate the necessity of this social function.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:24:00 - [606] Originally by: James Swindle You say that like CCP can't just add a new chronical explaining a new invention in which they can now clone you and your brainwaves outside of a pod. Again i must That's exactly why you never use RP to justify a position.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:37:00 - [607] Originally by: Claska No offense B1FF, but what what is your problem? can't you just accept that some people WILL like it? No offense Claska, but what is your problem? Can't you just accept that some people WON'T like it? You're not making an argument. If it's so great then why can't you defend it instead of just saying "Shut up?" Quote: To some people, making your avatar look nice, opening up a shop, Talking to another person in a bar like environment is important, weather it is to your or not doesn't matter matter when it comes to some one else. Its not like you have to use it. so shut up and just not use it if it concerns you so much. Any way, to some people making there character look nice is something fun and interesting to do. No one's going to use it. It's completely flawed by design. Read what CCP has said about it. For people to socialize in ambulation there needs to be a reason to enter the station. They've already said that there will be no reason other than socialization to enter the station. People can already socialize instantly to anyone anywhere on the server. Why would I fly somewhere to talk to someone when I can just start a convo from where I am? If we happen to be in the same station why would I spent the time walking to their location to talk to them when again I can just start a convo? Ambulation will see activity immediately after the patch and then will become a ghost town. Quote: Also don't forget that the engine there using to power ambulation is going to power World of darkness. Ambulation is something there using to test the engine at the same time as adding new content which just happens to be a new more interesting way to socialise. Resources are not being spent on those people? They're working for free? They're not using office space? They're not using servers or workstations? Resources are being spent on ambulation. Those resources could be spent on other things. Anything would be better.
Artem Plovix Dynamic Industrial Group	Posted - 2008.01.23 16:48:00 - [608] Edited by: Artem Plovix on 23/01/2008 16:49:27 Biff could be the biggest whiner I've seen yet on these boards. Additionally, you apparently have absolutely no idea how game development works, do you? Do you think the entire dev team is 5 guys in a room who can only work on one thing at a time? Do you understand the concept of different teams, working on more than one project at a time, or anything along those lines? Just because they're working on ambulation doesn't mean there isn't a team working on the server code, and the "super computer", and patching things, and doing the 50 other jobs that are required to continue moving Eve forward. You look like an idiot. Shut up, and quit digging your hole deeper. Try being more open minded, and seeing the future possibilities this opens up for Eve. I don't want to run around and play "dress up" as you so ignorantly put it, but I WOULD like to be able to have a shared white space to plan attacks with corp mates, or use a gambling system that won't get you ripped off like the player run ones, or in the future walk around on planets or POS's, etc. Ambulation is almost certainly the first step in adding an "outside the ship" piece to the Eve universe. It's a piece that's going to broaden and expand what you can do, where you can go, and what you can see when you're in the world of Eve. There are so many exciting possibilities that open up with this, and you're too buried in whining to stop and ponder them for a minute.
Kyra Felann Gallente Elite Storm Enterprises	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:07:00 - [609] Originally by: B1FF A lot of people don't want this. A lot of people will not enjoy this. The game is not about *YOU* Those people don't have to ambulate.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:15:00 - [610] Originally by: Artem Plovix Edited by: Artem Plovix on 23/01/2008 16:49:27 Biff could be the biggest whiner I've seen yet on these boards. Those that cannot defend their position instead attack their opponents. Quote: Additionally, you apparently have absolutely no idea how game development works, do you? Do you think the entire dev team is 5 guys in a room who can only work on one thing at a time? Do you understand the concept of different teams, working on more than one project at a time, or anything along those lines? Just because they're working on ambulation doesn't mean there isn't a team working on the server code, and the "super computer", and patching things, and doing the 50 other jobs that are required to continue moving Eve forward. I repeat. So those people working on ambulation are working for free? They're not using office space? Their not using a single resource? Those resources that they are using could not be used for anything else? What I don't understand is this delusion that the resources going toward ambulation can only be directed toward ambulation. This is patently false. Quote: You look like an idiot. Shut up, and quit digging your hole deeper. Try being more open minded, and seeing the future possibilities this opens up for Eve. I don't want to run around and play "dress up" as you so ignorantly put it, but I WOULD like to be able to have a shared white space to plan attacks with corp mates, or use a gambling system that won't get you ripped off like the player run ones, or in the future walk around on planets or POS's, etc. First off dress up is the only use of ambulation. Second a white board and gambling do not require ambulation. Rather then spend resources on ambulation spend it on useful things like a white board and gambling.
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:18:00 - [611] Originally by: B1FF Originally by: Claska Read what CCP has said about it. For people to socialize in ambulation there needs to be a reason to enter the station. They've already said that there will be no reason other than socialization to enter the station. People can already socialize instantly to anyone anywhere on the server. Why would I fly somewhere to talk to someone when I can just start a convo from where I am? If we happen to be in the same station why would I spent the time walking to their location to talk to them when again I can just start a convo? I think the only reason they add socializing through ambulation is to attract people who play Second Life. Unless we can have weapons, and occasionally blast people and take their stuff in station, or make isk by some game mechanic in station (I don't even care if it's exotic dancing for isk), then I won't BE in station. That, and look at our character pics. Truly, most of us are hideous beyond belief. I hardly want to walk in stations and have to see that all the time. ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
James Swindle Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:20:00 - [612] B1ff, for reasons i can't even be bothered to go into now you just fail horribly. As i said before, why are you whining about something you don't even have to use?! And for the third time...
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:25:00 - [613] Originally by: B1FF No need for a long post. I'm not crying like a little girl. Your answers are indicative of the failure that is ambulation. Not a single pro-ambulation person has counted a single one of my points. So far the only arguments raised have been the following. 1. Shut up. 2. I want it. 3. It won't effect you. (This is hilarious because it's one of my points against it) 4. OMG I get to dance and play dress up! PONIEZ! It's window dressing. Quote: but one of your points was that people don't want it. and it damn well seemed that people want it. as you stated it is one of the arguements for it. Meaning you fail.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:26:00 - [614] Originally by: B1FF No need for a long post. I'm not crying like a little girl. Your answers are indicative of the failure that is ambulation. Not a single pro-ambulation person has counted a single one of my points. So far the only arguments raised have been the following. 1. Shut up. 2. I want it. 3. It won't effect you. (This is hilarious because it's one of my points against it) 4. OMG I get to dance and play dress up! PONIEZ! It's window dressing. There are things the time could be better spent on. Time and resources are being spent on ambulation. That time and resources could be spent on other things. You want a spoiler? CCP ain't making ambulation for your sake... neither for my sake or anybody else who plays EVE's sake. They are doing it for their own. IF you paid a bit attention you would realize that ambulation is just a test project aimed at the World of Darkness MMO CCP will be designing sooner or later with White Wolf. Being clever (unlike others) they figured that they might as well learn about and test the technology using EVE as a playground. Far too many MMO's has fallen because technology that worked fine on a small test server couldn't cope with a "live server". Personally I am happy that developers, who otherwise would be working on a project not related to EVE, are providing some fluff to the game. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:27:00 - [615] I'm sorry where in eve can I and my corp mates have a meeting with a large map that we can all point at and draw on? I was unaware that a universal whiteboard exsitied.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:39:00 - [616] Why would I fly somewhere to talk to someone when I can just start a convo from where I am? If we happen to be in the same station why would I spent the time walking to their location to talk to them when again I can just start a convo? so biff i take you'd also be in favour of removing graphics from the game since they are wasteful of resources that could be better used on "anything" else?
B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:52:00 - [617] Originally by: MotherMoon I'm sorry where in eve can I and my corp mates have a meeting with a large map that we can all point at and draw on? I was unaware that a universal whiteboard exsitied. I'm sorry do I somewhere claim that these features already exist in EVE. Please go reread my post.
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:59:00 - [618] Originally by: MotherMoon I'm sorry where in eve can I and my corp mates have a meeting with a large map that we can all point at and draw on? I was unaware that a universal whiteboard exsitied. It's here. http://www.campfirenow.com/ Upload your map image, and you can all talk about it. ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 17:59:00 - [619] Originally by: Ehranavaar so biff i take you'd also be in favour of removing graphics from the game since they are wasteful of resources that could be better used on "anything" else? No that would be a straw man argument. Please stop putting words in my mouth.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:01:00 - [620] Originally by: Mica Swanhaven but one of your points was that people don't want it. and it damn well seemed that people want it. as you stated it is one of the arguements for it. Meaning you fail. I've not used "I don't want it" as an argument. It's not. It's a position. You can't use a position as an argument. That's why I put it on the list.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:23:00 - [621] I for one am excited about the prospects of ambulation. Opening up a station service buisness, a more immersive player iteraction experience, and the map has me tingly (sure i guess you could dl a copy of the map and upload it somewhere but i think it will be tons of fun to do that right in eve and play around with stats+tools for tactical briefings)
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.23 18:45:00 - [622] Can't really believe people are against it, it's free, it won't cost u a dime and u don't HAVE to use it. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:08:00 - [623] Originally by: B1FF Originally by: MotherMoon I'm sorry where in eve can I and my corp mates have a meeting with a large map that we can all point at and draw on? I was unaware that a universal whiteboard exsitied. I'm sorry do I somewhere claim that these features already exist in EVE. Please go reread my post. yes you do. it was one of my things on my list. and you said it allready happens.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:16:00 - [624] Originally by: B1FF Originally by: Mica Swanhaven but one of your points was that people don't want it. and it damn well seemed that people want it. as you stated it is one of the arguements for it. Meaning you fail. I've not used "I don't want it" as an argument. It's not. It's a position. You can't use a position as an argument. That's why I put it on the list. to quote you Quote: A lot of people don't want this. A lot of people will not enjoy this. The game is not about YOU I want it. this is not my arugemnt for why ambulation is good or bad. it's my counteragurment to you saying people don't want this. PEOPLE WANT THIS. now weither or not it's a good or bad thing is different. do you see why people are getting ****ed with you yet? it's really anoning to take a stand on something loike people want it and your counteragruement is that its stupid. WILL STILL WANT IT WETHER OR NOT IT IS STUPID.
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:21:00 - [625] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Can't really believe people are against it, it's free, it won't cost u a dime and u don't HAVE to use it. If it increases lag for other parts of the game, I'm against it. ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:21:00 - [626] Edited by: B1FF on 23/01/2008 19:24:14 Edited by: B1FF on 23/01/2008 19:23:56 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: B1FF Originally by: MotherMoon I'm sorry where in eve can I and my corp mates have a meeting with a large map that we can all point at and draw on? I was unaware that a universal whiteboard exsitied. I'm sorry do I somewhere claim that these features already exist in EVE. Please go reread my post. yes you do. it was one of my things on my list. and you said it allready happens. That is a flat out lie. Link please.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:24:00 - [627] Originally by: B1FF Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: B1FF Originally by: MotherMoon I'm sorry where in eve can I and my corp mates have a meeting with a large map that we can all point at and draw on? I was unaware that a universal whiteboard exsitied. I'm sorry do I somewhere claim that these features already exist in EVE. Please go reread my post. yes you do. it was one of my things on my list. and you said it allready happens. That is a flat out lie. Link please. yes it's a lie Quote: Quote: mothermoon:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- have corp meetings with a big map you can all look at together at the same time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- you: People already do this. why are you so defensive! it's a single page back!
MITSUK0	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:25:00 - [628] ITT: we post our assumptions and then flame people who try to reason with us.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:27:00 - [629] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: B1FF Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: B1FF Originally by: MotherMoon I'm sorry where in eve can I and my corp mates have a meeting with a large map that we can all point at and draw on? I was unaware that a universal whiteboard exsitied. I'm sorry do I somewhere claim that these features already exist in EVE. Please go reread my post. yes you do. it was one of my things on my list. and you said it allready happens. That is a flat out lie. Link please. yes it's a lie Quote: Quote: mothermoon:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- have corp meetings with a big map you can all look at together at the same time. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- you: People already do this. why are you so defensive! it's a single page back! I said people already do it. I never said it was a feature in Eve. Adding it as a feature does not require ambulation.
B1FF	Posted - 2008.01.23 19:31:00 - [630] Originally by: Mica Swanhaven Originally by: B1FF Originally by: Mica Swanhaven but one of your points was that people don't want it. and it damn well seemed that people want it. as you stated it is one of the arguements for it. Meaning you fail. I've not used "I don't want it" as an argument. It's not. It's a position. You can't use a position as an argument. That's why I put it on the list. to quote you Quote: A lot of people don't want this. A lot of people will not enjoy this. The game is not about YOU I want it. this is not my arugemnt for why ambulation is good or bad. it's my counteragurment to you saying people don't want this. PEOPLE WANT THIS. now weither or not it's a good or bad thing is different. do you see why people are getting ****ed with you yet? it's really anoning to take a stand on something loike people want it and your counteragruement is that its stupid. WILL STILL WANT IT WETHER OR NOT IT IS STUPID. So what if you want it? That's not an argument. Why do people want it? No one has been able to say what it will add other than a 3D chat room. If you look at what CCP has said that's all it can be. We don't need a big chat room.

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