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WulfWestphal
Minmatar
Niflhel
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:35:00 -
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but it (the map thingie) would add something to eve. immersion and whatnot.
also:
 Originally by: B1FF
Edited by: B1FF on 23/01/2008 14:12:17
Originally by: MotherMoon
talk face to face
Already done with private convo. Even shows you a picture of the person. No new functionality.
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sit down at a bar
This is identical to #1. No new functionality.
while the first point would add a nice RP aspect game to the game, your second reply fails. where in eve can i sit at a bar right now? sure you can do it with emotes, but again: with ambulation it would be more immersive and many players like immersion. those who dont dont have to use it.
you are out of arguments beside the typical claiming to speak for other ominous players, while stubbornly expressing your own opinions as arguments.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:35:00 -
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For those drooling over the map:
Originally by: Dev Blog
P.S. Some of these functions may be used in the F10 map if they prove to be popular. We think it¦s also very likely that the F10 map and the tactical one may be linked to each other so that you can still use the information or the planned routes. Keep in mind that this is just the design phase and we will hammer out these details a bit later.
CCP admits that ambulation is not needed for the tactical map. If you want the map then demand the map. There is no reason we need ambulation for the map.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:36:00 -
[633]
Originally by: WulfWestphal
while the first point would add a nice RP aspect game to the game, your second reply fails. where in eve can i sit at a bar right now? sure you can do it with emotes, but again: with ambulation it would be more immersive and many players like immersion. those who dont dont have to use it.
you are out of arguments beside the typical claiming to speak for other ominous players, while stubbornly expressing your own opinions as arguments.
What does sitting at a bar get you that you don't have right now?
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WulfWestphal
Minmatar
Niflhel
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:41:00 -
[634]
Edited by: WulfWestphal on 23/01/2008 19:45:46
Edited by: WulfWestphal on 23/01/2008 19:41:40
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: WulfWestphal
while the first point would add a nice RP aspect game to the game, your second reply fails. where in eve can i sit at a bar right now? sure you can do it with emotes, but again: with ambulation it would be more immersive and many players like immersion. those who dont dont have to use it.
you are out of arguments beside the typical claiming to speak for other ominous players, while stubbornly expressing your own opinions as arguments.
What does sitting at a bar get you that you don't have right now?
well, tbh, if you have to ask, you would'nt understand my point. :)
as i said: immersion, probably RP. a nice break from heated spacebattles. something to do if im waiting for someone (now im just spinning my ship in the hangar... you all know how it is :) ). things like this.
edit: and ambulation is not about the map. stop drooling over it. ;)
edit2: you know, if i would sitting at a bar and there are other players, i would interact with them. its not the same as sitting in the hangar, staring at the ship and watching local. you cant see there, who wants to RP or idle talk. a dedicated channel perhaps is empty at the time or you know all the people and want to socialize with unknown players. well, the reason _for_ ambulation, its not something you can lay a finger on, i guess.
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Mica Swanhaven
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Mica Swanhaven
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Mica Swanhaven
but one of your points was that people don't want it.
and it damn well seemed that people want it. as you stated it is one of the arguements for it. Meaning you fail.
I've not used "I don't want it" as an argument. It's not. It's a position. You can't use a position as an argument. That's why I put it on the list.
to quote you
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A lot of people don't want this. A lot of people will not enjoy this. The game is not about YOU
I want it.
this is not my arugemnt for why ambulation is good or bad.
it's my counteragurment to you saying people don't want this.
PEOPLE WANT THIS.
now weither or not it's a good or bad thing is different.
do you see why people are getting ****ed with you yet?
it's really anoning to take a stand on something loike people want it and your counteragruement is that its stupid. WILL STILL WANT IT WETHER OR NOT IT IS STUPID.
So what if you want it? That's not an argument.
Why do people want it? No one has been able to say what it will add other than a 3D chat room. If you look at what CCP has said that's all it can be. We don't need a big chat room.
wow you don't get it do you... I'm arguing that people WANT it.
People WANT it.
as in you said people DON'T want it.
and I'm saying people DO WANT it.
as in I want it
she wants it
your point was people DON'T want it.
measning your saying people don't want it and I disagree with you.
I think people WANJT amubulation.
you think peopl edon't WANT ambulation.
thus a counter argument of "HEY! DON'T SAY PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT! PEOPLE DO!"
is valid in the context.
I am not talking about if the game NEEDS it.
but that people WANT it.
of which you say peopl eDON'T WANT.
is this getting through at all?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:47:00 -
[636]
Originally by: WulfWestphal
Edited by: WulfWestphal on 23/01/2008 19:45:46
Edited by: WulfWestphal on 23/01/2008 19:41:40
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: WulfWestphal
while the first point would add a nice RP aspect game to the game, your second reply fails. where in eve can i sit at a bar right now? sure you can do it with emotes, but again: with ambulation it would be more immersive and many players like immersion. those who dont dont have to use it.
you are out of arguments beside the typical claiming to speak for other ominous players, while stubbornly expressing your own opinions as arguments.
What does sitting at a bar get you that you don't have right now?
well, tbh, if you have to ask, you would'nt understand my point. :)
as i said: immersion, probably RP. a nice break from heated spacebattles. something to do if im waiting for someone (now im just spinning my ship in the hangar... you all know how it is :) ). things like this.
edit: and ambulation is not about the map. stop drooling over it. ;)
edit2: you know, if i would sitting at a bar and there are other players, i would interact with them. its not the same as sitting in the hangar, staring at the ship and watching local. you cant see there, who wants to RP or idle talk. a dedicated channel perhaps is empty at the time or you know all the people and want to socialize with unknown players. well, the reason _for_ ambulation, its not something you can lay a finger on, i guess.
imerssion!
If I wanted imerssion I would play harvest moon in binary!
he doesn't get it it's ok.
he's never played a space game in his whole life.
so what could we expect.
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: WulfWestphal
well, tbh, if you have to ask, you would'nt understand my point. :)
as i said: immersion, probably RP. a nice break from heated spacebattles. something to do if im waiting for someone (now im just spinning my ship in the hangar... you all know how it is :) ). things like this.
edit: and ambulation is not about the map. stop drooling over it. ;)
No, it's about looking like a ninja, or looking like a waitress at Hooters in anime clothing.
If you're unlucky, 12 year old kids will do the nasty to you just like they do in Call of Duty right now.
CCP has said it is for socialization only. Fine.
But it's going to consume server resources.
If it causes other things to lag, I will be against it.
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WulfWestphal
Minmatar
Niflhel
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
imerssion!
If I wanted imerssion I would play harvest moon in binary!
he doesn't get it it's ok.
he's never played a space game in his whole life.
so what could we expect.
 wut, have i said something wrong?  i played plenty space games, and liked the ones with character development and the whole "getting succked into the world" the most.
well i hope it was irony. :)
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:56:00 -
[639]
Originally by: Agent Li
Originally by: WulfWestphal
well, tbh, if you have to ask, you would'nt understand my point. :)
as i said: immersion, probably RP. a nice break from heated spacebattles. something to do if im waiting for someone (now im just spinning my ship in the hangar... you all know how it is :) ). things like this.
edit: and ambulation is not about the map. stop drooling over it. ;)
No, it's about looking like a ninja, or looking like a waitress at Hooters in anime clothing.
If you're unlucky, 12 year old kids will do the nasty to you just like they do in Call of Duty right now.
CCP has said it is for socialization only. Fine.
But it's going to consume server resources.
If it causes other things to lag, I will be against it.
naw they are promising that people in system but in station will be on new nodes seperate form in space.
SO they are proming less lag, and that it will be on a whole new server.
but that's just what they say.
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James Swindle
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:56:00 -
[640]
Two questions for B1ff:
1 - Why are you SOOOOOOOOOO against ambulation, so what if i does not add any "proper new functions" as you put it. Some people like fluff and "useless" customisation. Get over it and just deal with it like most other people do who dont particularly like ambulation.
2 - Do you relise this is the only the first incarnations of ambulations. Which means it will be developed in to something which has a "proper functionality", which seems to be what you are bangging on about all the time???
Also on a side note i will give you a reason why ambulation will be good (at least in my opinion) Make ambulation > bring in lots of other players from other MMO/people who will not play because they cant get out of there ship > more money for CCP > more devs/hardwere > less bugs/less lag/ quicker expansions (hopefully) > Better game for us all!
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.23 19:57:00 -
[641]
Edited by: MotherMoon on 23/01/2008 19:57:40
Originally by: WulfWestphal
Originally by: MotherMoon
imerssion!
If I wanted imerssion I would play harvest moon in binary!
he doesn't get it it's ok.
he's never played a space game in his whole life.
so what could we expect.
wut, have i said something wrong? i played plenty space games, and liked the ones with character development and the whole "getting succked into the world" the most.
well i hope it was irony. :)
Oh **** I was talking about biff.
as in I was telling you that HE doesn't get it.
WE need to go over 80 miles per hour to go back and time and stop biff form being interested in eve in the 1st place so that he'll never post!
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Agent Li
Caldari
Galactic Defence Consortium
BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.23 20:04:00 -
[642]
It's kind of like the underwear gnomes in South Park, except that the business plan is:
1. Implement ambulation.
2. ...
3. Profit!
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WulfWestphal
Minmatar
Niflhel
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.01.23 20:04:00 -
[643]
Edited by: WulfWestphal on 23/01/2008 20:04:53
Originally by: MotherMoon
WE need to go over 80 miles per hour to go back and time and stop biff form being interested in eve in the 1st place so that he'll never post!
hehe, okay i understood.
but apart from all the useless doomsaying we need every opinion we get, even the negative ones. perhaps then ambulation will be something proper tested and thoughtout just to proof the "old men, waving sticks, saying: 'why cars? in _my_ youth we used to _walk_! through the snow! naked! while carrying wood! over pointy stones! stop inventing new crap and make better shoes!'" wrong. :)
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.23 20:07:00 -
[644]
Originally by: WulfWestphal
Edited by: WulfWestphal on 23/01/2008 20:04:53
Originally by: MotherMoon
WE need to go over 80 miles per hour to go back and time and stop biff form being interested in eve in the 1st place so that he'll never post!
hehe, okay i understood.
but apart from all the useless doomsaying we need every opinion we get, even the negative ones. perhaps then ambulation will be something proper tested and thoughtout just to proof the "old men, waving sticks, saying: 'why cars? in _my_ youth we used to _walk_! through the snow! naked! while carrying wood! over pointy stones! stop inventing new crap and make better shoes!'" wrong. :)
hahaha I can jsut see it now.
all of the people that LOVE the 1st version of ambulation will hate it when there is stuff to do and complain about how ambulation should just be a chat room.
rofl.
hmmm 4 years untill then :P
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Talisorn
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Posted - 2008.01.24 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: B1FF
<snip>
Don't add a useless feature to this game.
Ok ... let me put it this way (as you won't be convinced it'll benefit you):
They're doing it. Get over it.
'nuff said. 
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.01.24 13:55:00 -
[646]
Originally by: WulfWestphal
hehe, okay i understood.
but apart from all the useless doomsaying we need every opinion we get, even the negative ones. perhaps then ambulation will be something proper tested and thoughtout just to proof the "old men, waving sticks, saying: 'why cars? in _my_ youth we used to _walk_! through the snow! naked! while carrying wood! over pointy stones! stop inventing new crap and make better shoes!'" wrong. :)
Your analogy is incorrect. You're merely attacking me because you cannot defend your position. It's highly indicative that all pro ambulation people are doing this. It shows that the system has no merits.
Cars have uses over walking. Ambulation is a broken design. It is simply a way to take longer to do the exact same actions as currently. There's no reason to enter a station. Here's what no one can answer.
Why would someone travel a number of jumps to talk to someone when then can talk to them from any where? Talking is all you can do in ambulation. Thus there's no reason to ever use ambulation. It's broken by design.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.01.24 13:58:00 -
[647]
Originally by: Talisorn
Originally by: B1FF
<snip>
Don't add a useless feature to this game.
Ok ... let me put it this way (as you won't be convinced it'll benefit you):
They're doing it. Get over it.
'nuff said.
Ok let me put it this way. I'm going to share my view. The pro-ambulation people are going to insult me while failing to address any points I raise. Get over it.
Why do you feel that pro-ambulation people can share their position but I'm not allowed to?
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2008.01.24 14:19:00 -
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We are going to do Ambulation because we feel a lot of people will find it enjoyable.
If you are opposed to this type of fun, then you will not have to enjoy it. We think enough people will find it enjoyable that it warrants an investment of our time and effort. If you disagree that it doesn¦t..well that¦s up to you be we are taking the ¦risk¦ of it.
We won¦t drag people kicking and screaming into Ambulation, you can just stay in your space ship and still enjoy EVE in your own way, we just want to explore other directions as well knowing full well it won¦t cater to everyone who plays now, but it might convince others to start playing and we want to welcome them too.
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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Yuri VanKaer
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Posted - 2008.01.24 14:34:00 -
[649]
Originally by: B1FF
Ok let me put it this way. I'm going to share my view. The pro-ambulation people are going to insult me while failing to address any points I raise. Get over it.
Why do you feel that pro-ambulation people can share their position but I'm not allowed to?
Wow...I thought my ChromeDomeÖ was supposed to protect me from thoughtstealing... <rummages for box of foil>
Seriously though, I agree 100% with all your posts so far. There are 1000's of 'walkies' available, and really only one (good) spaceship game. Those who want ambulation, go play one of those for your fix. Please. There is nothing wrong with having ONE game where you don't. I still see absolutely no benefits. I'm here to play internet spaceships, not a sharded FPS or SecondLife.
Remember, the more ppl who stay docked, the less targets/allies.
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Dismus
Gallente
Sigma Shipwright and Exploration
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Posted - 2008.01.24 15:08:00 -
[650]
Edited by: Dismus on 24/01/2008 15:11:07
Originally by: B1FF
It's highly indicative that all pro ambulation people are doing this. It shows that the system has no merits.
This point has been raised before and you have chosen to simply let it slide by claiming that no valid "merits" have been given.
CCP, in its partnership with White Wolf, will be releasing a new MMO that will not be based in space. Since CCP - from what I have been able to gather - has no experience in third person MMO's from the perspective of an actual person, they must begin to develop this technology.
As has also been previously stated, many MMO's have failed due largely to the fact that their graphical programming appeared functional in small scale testing, yet was proven to be broken upon movement into a large-scale production environment.
CCP's use of ambulation in EVE will allow unparalleled testing of this graphical technology before its insertion into a new game. It's a brilliant idea... a testing sandbox of nearly 40,000 active users.
If CCP places the ambulation components in seperate nodes, as seems likely from hints given by CCP, this will allow them to control the scale at which this new code is being "tested."
In reality, despite any claims that Ambulation will be "useless" or "broken," it's quite likely that this will end up being of little concern to CCP as the end effect - adequate and full testing of the code modules for the White Wolf partnership game - will come about regardless.
I think in the end, whether players such as you or I enjoy ambulation is going to be of little concern. An opportunity to stress test that sort of code in this sort of way is an opportunity no developer would pass up.
I don't expect you to understand that, as it has been made apparent from your posts that you may, in actuality, know little about software development or testing. I don't mean this as any sort of personal attack as not everyone is a programmer. I'm merely stating a rather important point: You're talking about the "ueslessness" of something that, in essence, is just CCP taking advantage of a very special situation that allows them to test code in a way conventionally not available in the IT industry.
It will without a doubt be painful, and doubtlessly many users such as yourself will feel no desire to take part in this "testing" situation. As you can see from the above Dev post however, it will happen regardless.
The least you can do is try to enjoy it, instead of trolling this thread looking to cause discord. Peoples oppinions don't mesh with your own... that's life. With a game that has such a diverse playerbase, such a diverse set of options available to everyone who plays, can it really be such a surprise that something like ambulation appeals to some of the player base?
Now, go ahead and pick my post apart as you have the talent of doing whenever someone disagrees with you, because as it actually stands... well, I could care less how you decide to pick apart what I'm saying. :) I typed my wordy part, and now I'm finished.
Originally by: Draeca
Domi isn't ugly, it actually looks quite symphatic.
I mean, a crossbreed of a whale and a potato.. Now how cute is that?
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WulfWestphal
Minmatar
Niflhel
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.01.24 15:17:00 -
[651]
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: WulfWestphal
hehe, okay i understood.
but apart from all the useless doomsaying we need every opinion we get, even the negative ones. perhaps then ambulation will be something proper tested and thoughtout just to proof the "old men, waving sticks, saying: 'why cars? in _my_ youth we used to _walk_! through the snow! naked! while carrying wood! over pointy stones! stop inventing new crap and make better shoes!'" wrong. :)
Your analogy is incorrect. You're merely attacking me because you cannot defend your position. It's highly indicative that all pro ambulation people are doing this. It shows that the system has no merits.
Cars have uses over walking. Ambulation is a broken design. It is simply a way to take longer to do the exact same actions as currently. There's no reason to enter a station. Here's what no one can answer.
Why would someone travel a number of jumps to talk to someone when then can talk to them from any where? Talking is all you can do in ambulation. Thus there's no reason to ever use ambulation. It's broken by design.
ah get over yourself. not everytime someone says something its an attack against you. i understood what your point is and that its useless to try to convince you. its rather sad, that you seem to overread arguments apart from yours. there are some pro - points raised and your contra - points discussed. if you dont want to see it, its not my problem. live your live as you wish.
calling ambulation "broken" before its even on the horizon... well, i for one hold a judgement when it hits the testserver. :) perhaps you will like it, who knows. its a long time till it comes.
last point: you could at least _try_ to understand _why_ some people like the idea of "ambulation". i think most of the people here posting understood why _you_ dont like it.
im out, have fun here. :)
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.01.24 16:43:00 -
[652]
Originally by: WulfWestphal
ah get over yourself. not everytime someone says something its an attack against you.
"you are out of arguments beside the typical claiming to speak for other ominous players, while stubbornly expressing your own opinions as arguments."
This is an attack. It addresses me not my arguments. It's also wrong. I've provided valid arguments that have consistently gone unadressed.
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calling ambulation "broken" before its even on the horizon... well, i for one hold a judgement when it hits the testserver. :) perhaps you will like it, who knows. its a long time till it comes.
I'm going from the same info you have. It's quite obviously broken. It's impossible for me to like it because there's nothing to do. If CCP wants to give some more info then maybe I'll change my mind but as it stands there's simply nothing to do.
Quote:
last point: you could at least _try_ to understand _why_ some people like the idea of "ambulation". i think most of the people here posting understood why _you_ dont like it.
I understand why they like the idea of it but based on the information given no one is going to use it except for maybe trade hub 0.1 order campers. There might also be a sub culture of cyber that develops.
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Tchell Dahhn
Amarr
The Space BorderLine
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Posted - 2008.01.24 16:56:00 -
[653]
Please do not feed the troll.
This can be achieved by not responding to his questions, nor providing any response to his obvious flames. Your responses to his posts is exactly what he is looking for, and we need to be proactive about this, going forward.
Numerous opinions have been provided from numerous sources, and it is obvious that the only thing the troll would like, is to continue arguing his points, while discounting others' opinions.
Let us continue the conversation as if he is not even there. I, for one, am excited about ambulation, and am looking forward to the options that it will, undoubtedly, unlock.
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Rurouni40
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Posted - 2008.01.24 17:10:00 -
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We all want new stuff, CCP does just that, the whole time, new stuff means latest technologies, programming techniques, testing methods and do stuff that's not done before. We should not compare too much, yes we should comment on things but not kill it before you've seen it and used it. Let the new stuff come, if it's not good, you still can whine about it.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.01.24 17:14:00 -
[655]
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
We are going to do Ambulation because we feel a lot of people will find it enjoyable.
If you are opposed to this type of fun, then you will not have to enjoy it. We think enough people will find it enjoyable that it warrants an investment of our time and effort. If you disagree that it doesn¦t..well that¦s up to you be we are taking the ¦risk¦ of it.
We won¦t drag people kicking and screaming into Ambulation, you can just stay in your space ship and still enjoy EVE in your own way, we just want to explore other directions as well knowing full well it won¦t cater to everyone who plays now, but it might convince others to start playing and we want to welcome them too.
Maybe it will bring people but no one will use it. It seems like a lot of effort to simply put a bullet point on the side of the "box".
I'm going from data CCP is released. As it stands Ambulation will allow you to walk around and buy clothing. By walk around I mean literally you have to spend time walking to the store. CCP is on record stating there will be no instant transport and no running. CCP is also on record stating that there will be no fighting.
Why are people going to use it? There's no game. There's no design. You're creating a 3D chat tech demo. One that is more limited and more time consuming than the existing chat system.
It's broken design. If you add anything to ambulation that can't be done outside it then it's basically a huge nerf due to the time spent walking. It's pointless and frankly mean to make people have to spend time walking to the store. If you take out the walking then ambulation looses all meaning and you might as well just create a new window for the features.
The only valid feature mentioned is the map and for that to be viable it has to work outside ambulation since you have to leave the station to go fight. If you can't take the map with you then what's the point of the map?
For ambulation to be useful you will have to create a whole ambulation sub game. One that is completely separate from the existing game. Remember moving existing features to ambulation only will be viewed as a huge nerf by the population due to the added walking/loading time.
People may join for ambulation but they'll just be churn if that's the main reason they joined. Ambulation will be a ghost town shortly after launch. As it stands all it's just a time consuming way for me to shake my boobies at someone.
I'm pro-CCP. I like EvE. I want to see it continue to succeed but you're making a mistake with ambulation. I don't think it will hurt the game in the long run but it's most definitely a waste of time and resources.
If CCP can offer some more info on what ambulation is supposed to be then maybe I can see the appeal but with the info we have now it's broken. It has no hope of being used because there is no reason to use it. Quite simply why would you travel to a system, then spend time loading, then spend time walking to a location to talk to someone? Why no just open a convo window?
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.01.24 17:21:00 -
[656]
Originally by: Dismus
This point has been raised before and you have chosen to simply let it slide by claiming that no valid "merits" have been given.
The only 2 points raised have been waving and the map.
The map has to exist outside ambulation or it is useless.
The waving point is as follows:
Currently: I can type /me waves and my conversation partner can see it instantly, no matter where they are, and know I am waving to them.
Ambulation: I travel to a remote location where my friend is at. I then spent time walking to their location within the station. I type /me waves and my conversation partner sees me wave.
Currently: Quick and communicative
Ambulation: Orders of magnitude longer to do with the same end result.
How can taking longer to do the same thing cause someone to use a system? It can't. That's why it's broken.
Those are the only 2 points that have been raised. I've addressed them both. If you feel there are others please share them and I will respond.
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.01.24 17:24:00 -
[657]
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Please do not feed the troll.
This can be achieved by not responding to his questions, nor providing any response to his obvious flames. Your responses to his posts is exactly what he is looking for, and we need to be proactive about this, going forward.
Numerous opinions have been provided from numerous sources, and it is obvious that the only thing the troll would like, is to continue arguing his points, while discounting others' opinions.
Let us continue the conversation as if he is not even there. I, for one, am excited about ambulation, and am looking forward to the options that it will, undoubtedly, unlock.
And again we attack the person and not the argument.
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Whiskey Smokes
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Posted - 2008.01.24 17:48:00 -
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LOL @ B1FF
I find your arguments to be valid and extremely funny at the same time. Not bad! However, it's also based on lack of "hope" and trust in CCP. Let's hope they have brains too, just like you obviously do, and do indeed find many usefull features based on ambulation.
On a personal note, I'd LOVE to be able to walk around stations and actually get a feel for the players. Ships are metal and non-human forms that I find it hard to relate to. I like big ship, and EVE ships in general, but adding ambulation will give it that "human touch". EVE is a very technical game, like Wall Street in space, however it is also a mmoRPG, and ambulation will add to the roleplaying of our beloved universe.
I can see it already: corp getting together on saturday evening in our local space-bar, enjoying convo and drinking real life beers while (hopefully) dancing and secretively checking the latest market updates. Much more social!
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Dismus
Gallente
Sigma Shipwright and Exploration
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Posted - 2008.01.24 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Dismus on 24/01/2008 18:04:23
Edited by: Dismus on 24/01/2008 18:03:11
Originally by: B1FF
Originally by: Dismus
This point has been raised before and you have chosen to simply let it slide by claiming that no valid "merits" have been given.
The only 2 points raised have been waving and the map.
Troll, try reading the rest of the post. What you are talking about has nothing whatsoever to do with the contents of my post.
My post covered the logic of CCP instituting ambulation as a wide spread test of a third person graphical engine for their upcoming partnership with White Wolf, which is likely to be a leading contribution in the drive to release Ambulation.
Please bother to read someone's post before picking it apart.
The point neither dealt with a map, nor a "waving" emote. You stray very far from the contents of my post. Try again, reading comprehention is key to education.
If you have points on why the wide spread testing would be a bad idea, I would be glad to hear it. Unfortunately, there is nothing that can possibly validate that the opportunity for CCP to institute such a wide spread test would be bad for CCP.
To even perform a test like that with paid testers would cost far far too much money to yield far, far too little of a result for the company. It's much more efficient to have people test it for you for free, which is what they're doing. They do it in EVE and it will not make the game they create with White Wolf appear "buggy" right off the shelf.
Again, where does a map, or waving come in to any of that? I mentioned neither except when informing you that the post you are talking about, in fact, does not even contain those WORDS, or synonyms thereof.
As I have already shared them, please enlighten me with your response. I always have a good laugh listening to people who know nothing of the IT industry tell me what's really happening with it.
Originally by: Draeca
Domi isn't ugly, it actually looks quite symphatic.
I mean, a crossbreed of a whale and a potato.. Now how cute is that?
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B1FF
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Posted - 2008.01.24 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dismus
As I have already shared them, please enlighten me with your response. I always have a good laugh listening to people who know nothing of the IT industry tell me what's really happening with it.
Attacking the poster again rather than addressing the arguments I put forward.
I don't care about about CCP's other projects. I play EvE. If they want to test they can have a beta. That's the norm in the industry.
Why do you feel people will use ambulation? What is there to do in ambulation that will bring people there to test it? Why would they use this system over the existing, easier, and quicker system?
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