Seems CODE players kept sending me eve mails suggesting I comment on this, so here we have a simple golden rule that will replace all that guff.

When you sign up to play Eve understand that you are signing up to play a game where you are to be farmed, it is how you react to that simple fact which defines whether Eve is for you.

Seems CODE players kept sending me eve mails suggesting I comment on this, so here we have a simple golden rule that will replace all that guff.

When you sign up to play Eve understand that you are signing up to play a game where you are to be farmed, it is how you react to that simple fact which defines whether Eve is for you.

Love it , this post will see a lot of linkadge

Read it, and you're wrong; mechanically CONCORD have one job and that is to punish people who do one of the following:
Aggressing a player who is not a legal target in highsec.
Remote repairing NPC Ships
Remote repairing Criminal Players
Attacking CONCORD vessels
Having a criminal flag and jumping into Hi-Sec Space
Having low security status and jumping into a Hi-Sec System in the Sanctum Constellation.

Lorewise they exist A: to prevent us, the immortal and obscenely rich capsuleers, from taking over completely and B: to prevent large-scale open warfare between the four empire factions, settling any disputes before the Empires return to their old ways and start murdering each other.

If they were in the protection game they would be encouraging people to check that they've tanked their ships, running regular patrols down the trade routes, breaking up "space gangs" like CODE., taking down scammers etc.


Then don't act or look like one, the mechanics are already there, it's your choice whether or not you choose to use them.

Get ganked, offer a GF in local (it won't feel like a good fight and it's often the last thing you want to say but it goes a long way) and ask some questions; most are more than willing to tell you what they did and how you could have avoided it.

Get wardecced, contact the wardec corp, they want fights at the end of the day and I'd say most would be amenable to down shipping and bringing a similar number of players in order to get a fun fight. If your corp is full of newbies they may well be willing to do a talk afterwards and go through what people did right and what they didn't as well as provide decent fits for people to play with; they love newbies, especially bloodthirsty ones that are willing to learn.

CONCORD is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea.

* You are not safe in 1.0 security space. CONCORD is there to punish, not to protect. Get used to the idea.


The first statement is true. And the second statement is false... Concord is there to protect!!! Before you all lose your minds, please take a moment to read. This is not meant to change the fundamental message...that is, you should not get the impression Concord will in any way be able to protect you if you do not plan for the inevitable confrontation, it is just meant to push back against the notion that it is always the victim's fault. Concord is there for protection but, in much the same way Police work, they often arrive way too late to impact the outcome. That means that even though you may take appropriate precautions such as fitting a strong tank, not carrying too much value in the cargo bay, and even with boosters and/or friends, a smart ganker can plan for and overcome all of these safeguards including the protection of Concord to blow you up. On the other side of that coin though, the smart industrialist/minor/carebear (that last term, carebear is another way of saying people with a conscience but, it is often used as an insult by the same folks that insist it is always the victims fault) can also outthink the smart ganker and use the Concord forces for an effective layer of defense or at the very least make that ganker pay way more isk than your loss is worth. Bottom line, always protect yourself but, don't buy into the myth that when you get blown up, it's somehow your fault! Using a game to justify a persons bad behavior is a reflection of themselves, not you!!!!! Have a wonderful day everyone!

its a farm or be farmed world

Eve is FarmVille?

Good way to sell the game Drac:

Eve - Just like FarmVille, but in space

Awesome slogan.

protection = usually happens before an incident to prevent something happening
punishment = happens after the incident has occurred

concord arrive after an offence has been committed not before. however im sure you are right and that ccp guy is just being silly

Speaking of looking silly, what was the name of those police officers that arrived at your house to protect you after the criminal had already taken you hostage?? Or what was the name of the helicopter pilot from the coast guard that arrived after your boat sank to save you? How about the name of the 911 dispatcher that took your call after your car was stolen? Last time I checked, the police, coast guard, and other civil services exist for our protection or are they just there for punishment?

Again, to repeat, the fundamental message that you should always protect yourself and use the game mechanics to your advantage and that you should not depend on Concord to save you is all very good advice and you should follow it. All I'm saying is the line of reasoning that concord is there to punish only feeds into the notion that somehow it is always the fault of the person on the receiving end of aggression....that is completely false....it is no less repugnant than a defense layer claiming that his rapist client is not at fault because the victim dressed provocatively thus, encouraging the attack. It's is a complete fallacy and you cannot use a game to justify bad behavior. It does not change the underlying message of what the original post was about but it does force you to remember your conscience, if the person in question has one.

However, I'm sure you are correct and the person at CCP you were referring to can say whatever they want and it is, of course, always true because, logic, reason, common sense...they all take a back seat to the word of CCP, right?? Would you like a monocle with that?

Speaking of looking silly, what was the name of those police officers that arrived at your house to protect you after the criminal had already taken you hostage?? Or what was the name of the helicopter pilot from the coast guard that arrived after your boat sank to save you? How about the name of the 911 dispatcher that took your call after your car was stolen? Last time I checked, the police, coast guard, and other civil services exist for our protection or are they just there for punishment?

How this happened that EVE Online De-evoled to the way it's played today it shocks me. Shocks me to see so many players back-stab & grab anything another player has. All for what .... That style of playing will only end up with this great game ending up being renamed to "Paranoia In Space Online".

Given where we are I'll go easy on you but it should be needless to say that comparing being told to HTFU and be responsible for your own safety in a game explicitly about conflict and emergent players behavior
to real world traumatic experiences
is disingenuous and frankly insultingly malicious*, not mention utterly ridiculous.

Go tell anyone from your family that being told to be responsible for your own safety in any competitive multiplayer player game is in anyway compilable to what you are insinuating and I guarantee you they will tell you to take a step back from the internet for a couple of days.

Step back, calm down, go have a walk, hug your wife/kid's/dog or whatever it is makes you feel better.

This is a video game on the internet, nothing worth getting so wound up about.
*Malicious in the legal sense

Miner, calm down.

You clearly need to calm down because that wall of text with multiple question marks, ellipses and no paragraphs could only have been written by someone too enraged to take an extra few seconds to do it right.

So yeah, back to Ralph's suggestion. Maybe step away from the keyboard for a bit.


Also, on the part earlier, there is no comparison between a fat middle aged man sitting at his computer playing a video game while downing a bottle of coke and a bag of crisps and the traumatic experience of non-consensual sex against someone.

If you want to talk about blame, Ralph is also right there too. Some more realistic perspective is needed. Go ask your family if they equate some video game pixels exploding to the same thing as being the victim of ****.

Well, now. It seems that this thread has gone straight to Hell in a handbasket. Certainly not the type of thread that I'd be very enthusiastic about sending a new player to any more.

CONCORD are reactive, not proactive. Everyone in the game knows and understands this, even if they feel it should be the other way around. Arguing over the definition of "protect" and bringing real-world examples into a game is sad and pathetic for everyone involved (myself included, now).