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Resa Moon
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Posted - 2016.08.23 02:35:04 -
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Morn Hylund wrote:I don't get it.
It looks like you're taking away one of the Mining lasers with the Hulk (so more active switching by a miner to go do what is already an extremely tedious activity in Eve and reducing mining yield by a 1/3rd) - while boosting it by 25% (1/4) in other areas with perhaps more boosting in the low slots? Which comes out to about even except again - anyone mining with a Hulk has to be switching Asteroids more often??
How is this not just make mining even more a boring less lucrative activity (especially with the planned mineral price nerf changes)?
I mean come on ...
First you have Citadels that are absolutely useless to defend unless you happen to have a fleet on your beck and call (so much for POS equivalency, especially for wormhole manufacturing), now you screw over mining with more ludicrous hand waving - and silly do nothing upgrades ...
No wonder Eve subscriptions are dropping - and people are jumping ship for more entertaining games like Star Citizen, No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous etc.
Wake the F*** Up.
Exactly right regarding the Hulk and highsec asteroids - why in the world do we need even more frequent switching and ore bay emptying? Nullsec, this will be fine, but many of us use Hulks in highsec too and this will not add to the enjoyment, especially multi-boxing.
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Resa Moon
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Posted - 2016.09.14 05:51:05 -
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Vincent Pelletier wrote:Resa Moon wrote:[this will not add to the enjoyment You mean that it won't help you AFK as much.
Multi-boxing miners don't AFK.
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Resa Moon
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Posted - 2016.09.15 05:31:13 -
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Warlord Balrog wrote:Resa Moon wrote:Vincent Pelletier wrote:Resa Moon wrote:[this will not add to the enjoyment You mean that it won't help you AFK as much. Multi-boxing miners don't AFK. Technically we could, just not longer than our cycle time. So for skiffs ice mining we had less than 7 minutes before we had to dump 2 loads into the orca, switch to the Orca pilot and move it to another bay, then do 2 more... all before the 15th cycle ends. Assuming you had to pick a new youtube video, click the next email, or read patch notes for another game. These you could do. Now on the other hand, if you were a ganker, you warp the fleet into the belt, CTRL+Click your hard working victim, hit F1 on each pilot and after about 20 seconds click dock and go AFK for the remainder of your timer until the next vicitim is chosen. Seems to me if you want to be AFK and turn a profit you have to be a ganker or ratter. "EVE - The pirate life isn't yours yet?"
Ice is the slowest - try ore with Hulks, but even with ice good multi-boxers won't AFK not only because of the cycle time and housekeeping required, but because of the competition, the bumping and the gank attempts. Efficient multi-boxing requires attention unless you don't mind losing assets or being inefficient.
Ice mining can be a very competitive activity.
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Resa Moon
New Eden Miners Association
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Posted - 2016.09.17 07:54:48 -
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baltec1 wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:Guys guys guys.
You need to understand the present Risk vs Reward scenario...
Come the November changes, we RISK a 2-3 BILLION ship, on grid....
So that the players favoured by CCP can reap the REWARDS.
It's all about killmails now, nothing else. We get absolutely nothing out of it.
It's blatantly obvious that that's the direction the game is going, I suppose what we need to be thinking about is where it's going next. You say this yet at the same time miners are dead set against any changes to the ships to make them actually able to defend themselves.
Thanks for speaking on behalf of miners.
What miners are concerned about is the reasonable relationship between risk and reward.
Seems that some folks think mining vessels should be PvP ships with a slightly expanded cargo or ore hold.
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Resa Moon
New Eden Miners Association
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Posted - 2016.09.18 04:33:16 -
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baltec1 wrote:Resa Moon wrote:
Thanks for speaking on behalf of miners.
What miners are concerned about is the reasonable relationship between risk and reward.
Seems that some folks think mining vessels should be PvP ships with a slightly expanded cargo or ore hold.
Given you are playing a pvp based game it makes sense for mining barges to be pvp capable. We have miners here bitching about having to put assets in harms way while at the same time arguing their ships should be helpless if caught.
That makes no sense. Miners aren't "bitching" about having it both ways, we're stating that we want the risk reasonable, something more reasonable than fielding a 2-billion ISK squishy target for pseudo-PvP.
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Resa Moon
New Eden Miners Association
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Posted - 2016.09.18 05:38:57 -
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baltec1 wrote:Resa Moon wrote:
That makes no sense. Miners aren't "bitching" about having it both ways, we're stating that we want the risk reasonable, something more reasonable than fielding a 2-billion ISK squishy target for pseudo-PvP.
You just did it again. A Rorqual with a mining fleet that can provide logi and firepower is a lot harder to kill than what we are getting.
As did you. Harder to kill doesn't make the risk reasonable.
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Resa Moon
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Posted - 2016.09.18 10:22:37 -
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baltec1 wrote:Resa Moon wrote:
As did you. Harder to kill doesn't make the risk reasonable.
Of course it does. Being able to go toe to toe with a similar sized cruiser gang is a hell of a lot better than getting slaughtered by a gang a fraction of your numbers. As it stands four of the barges are entirely helpless when caught and the other two holding the mantel of last to die simply because they have an over sized tank.
You either miss the point or are simply trolling.
Because it might be able to go toe-to-toe with a particular gang size and composition doesn't mean the risk becomes reasonable because folks hunting for Rorqs will come with a crew to do the job and the key point is that with the Industrial Core green it will be a sitting duck, regardless of how long it has to sit.
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Resa Moon
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Posted - 2016.09.18 10:59:05 -
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baltec1 wrote:Resa Moon wrote:
You either miss the point or are simply trolling.
Because it might be able to go toe-to-toe with a particular gang size and composition doesn't mean the risk becomes reasonable because folks hunting for Rorqs will come with a crew to do the job and the key point is that with the Industrial Core green it will be a sitting duck, regardless of how long it has to sit.
Seems to me you are not going to be happy until CCP give you an I-win button. Having an even chance of success vs a similar sized gang of cruisers/hac/pirate cruisers is more than enough.
As if you can sit there and await an arranged fight of a particular composition.
An I-win button, no. Miners have always been at risk and that reasonable risk makes it more interesting. Unreasonable risk makes it stupid. You can't field the Rorq and predict what opposing force will appear while you're green. Pointless to posit ideal situations.
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Resa Moon
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Posted - 2016.09.19 08:15:08 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alexis Ford wrote:So ratting titans have no guns to shoot back ?
Even now as you can fit High angel guns against subcap ships ?
And you have to get a Booster on Grid to get more than 40% dps ?
Please stop comparing things that are NOT compareable.
When you go titan hunting you bring the firepower to render it dead in fast order. Its entirely comparable because we have people running around in titan ratting away while you are terrified about putting out a 3 billion isk ship. Alexis Ford wrote:
And sorry .. as a member of PL talking about risking a ratting titan (with 30+ SC ready in the backhand.)
99,9% of eve doesnt have this luxury.
And Titan Doomsday ratting is ******** - with a cooldowntimer 10 times longer than the Anom needs to finish.
thats not a "we risk something" thats "haha i am bored to death" and for showing off.
Wrong again. These things are popping up all over the place.
Because some folks are ratting in a Titan without adequate precautions, it makes putting a Rorq in a belt or anom and going green with the Core a reasonable risk.
Very poor thinking/trolling.
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