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Vreena Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.15 03:07:00 - [31] Arctan, it's extremely unpleasent to see you here. Your reponse, given by Mr. Lok'ri on another topic, though I feel it fits well enough. Feel free to correct me Mr. Lok'ri if I am mistaken. Quote: Should a person in an exalted enough position to have the right to criticize an heir come forward with said criticism, it would be our place to act accordingly, but until that time comes we must show patience rather than acting the demagogue. Be patient, Arctan. After the heir has been made emperor, someone will come forward, kill him, be killed himself, then be made a saint. History repeats itself after all. On another note, I think this thread has served it's purpose well enough for my tastes. To those who refrained from speaking before, unlike Mr. Maleficus, feel free to rip it to shreads with meaningless insults now. Lastly, thank you to PIE for responding and clearing a number of things up for me. I'll still be watching to see if any of you respond again, though I don't think it is necessary any longer. Vreena ----- The above does not in any way reflect the views and opinions of my corporation...well it could, but let's not be presumptuous, okay?
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.15 06:44:00 - [32] So, the Amarr admit their guilt to one of the gravest crimes in the universe - making someone pay for the sins of their ancestors. Guilt is not genetic. The Amarr of today are not guilty of the crimes of the past - merely of condoning them, and of committing those same crimes today. The Gallente of today are not guilty of the events which sparked the Caldari secession. __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ. Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
Camperific Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.03.15 11:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 14/03/2007 20:50:16 All slaves are already guilty of capital crimes which could have been punished justly by death. That they are allowed to continue life and have a chance at redeeming themselves is a mercy they have not merited by their own action. And what of those who are born slaves?What is their capital crime,to be born from the union of slaves? Does the Amarrian religion pass down the sins of the father then?
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.15 12:34:00 - [34] Quote: So, the Amarr admit their guilt to one of the gravest crimes in the universe - making someone pay for the sins of their ancestors. Guilt is not genetic. The Amarr of today are not guilty of the crimes of the past - merely of condoning them, and of committing those same crimes today. The Gallente of today are not guilty of the events which sparked the Caldari secession. It is not a "crime" to obey the word and spirit of God. It is however a crime to ignore the word of God and to not pass it on to further generations of your children. So in effect YES the Minmatar children are guilty as they are not born into a house ruled by the law of God and His decrees. A typical Minmatar child born into a typical interbred Minmatar household (or cavehold in their case) grows up without God in his life and never learns his place in His scheme of things. This ignorance is something they are born with as a result of the failings of the Minmatar to embrace God. Even a child born into a slave camp to slave parents is in effect "sinful" and "guilty" by its very nature. Yet they can work toward Enlightenment as all slaves can. The slaves can study scriptures, pray, encourage others to do the same, and can someday become honorable Ammatar citizens who are "free" yet have learned their place in the kingdom of God and obey His laws. As for the original topic of this posting as the SPCS Chairman I can say without doubt the SPCS remains a servant of the Empire and would never question the actions of an heir or holder in dealings with his herd of slaves. While the SPCS recommends humane treatment of slaves in accordance with the edict of Doriam II we merely RECOMMEND and we do not punish those who do not in any way. In the end it is the slave who is guilty and it is the owner of said slave who determines the best way to administer the slaves existence. While some religious oriented persons like myself believe Enlightenment is a primary goal we realize as Amarrians we obey the Empire and its rulers and any personal beliefs we have will always be secondary to the will of the Empire. That subservient obedience to our leaders is why Amarr has become the greatest and largest Empire and why we are chosen by God to bear his banner. Personal opinions and desires have no place in our Empire compared to the overall good and that obedience leads us to live as God would command. Archbishop SPCS Director PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Amira Silvermist The Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.03.15 12:35:00 - [35] Originally by: Nachshon So, the Amarr admit their guilt to one of the gravest crimes in the universe - making someone pay for the sins of their ancestors. Gravest crime in the universe? I might have missed the memo but who "declared" that? Originally by: Camperific Does the Amarrian religion pass down the sins of the father then? Indeed. If my grandfather would have been a heretic I would have to pay up for his sins. If my grandfather would have been declared a saint his shining example would be my inspiration. Its all a matter of having and taking responsibility's for events in the past and the future. Too bad this is rarely understood outside of our glorious empire. Amarr racial trait: Nerfbat damage resistance 0%
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.15 12:49:00 - [36] Quote: Indeed. If my grandfather would have been a heretic I would have to pay up for his sins. If my grandfather would have been declared a saint his shining example would be my inspiration. This is correct. It is well known I am the son of a slave. I was born into slavery in the KorAzor realm yet while still an infant my father was freed an Enlightened and loyal servant of the Empire as many Ni-Kunni were. If I had been born after his emancipation I would have been born "free" as well. People talk about parents leaving a legacy for their children. In this case the Minmatar have left a legacy of their own and it is one of sinful existence and guilt and is one they must repent for and pay the penalty. Yet there is an opportunity to emancipate yourself through God and the goodwill of the owner. If they do not become free it is their own fault. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Sen Goku Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.03.15 13:47:00 - [37] * Sen Goku fumbles for a cigarette * You know you can dress it up however ya want, but lets just be honest here. Beatin the hell out of someone is beatin the hell out of someone, one way or another, but at least when I do it they aren't crawlin around in rags and malnourished. Violence is violence, don't tell me anyone on the receiving end is ever being done a favour. * Sen Goku lights the cigarette *
Falcione Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.03.15 19:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Merdaneth Edited by: Merdaneth on 14/03/2007 23:55:19 Originally by: Falcione And so... what are your thoughts on killing a random slave just to spite another person with an offering of his garments? My thoughts about that are quite private, as Holder Keraci's should have been. I certainly would not offer 1 ISK for such a person's head, if that is what you mean. Actually... that's not what I meant. I fail to see how the "Midular Incident" has a bearing on the discussion. Feel free to enlighten me though, I always enjoy getting a different perspective. Anyway...I can only assume that your silence means that you want to hide something. One could assume (in the absence of clarification) that you agree with the immorality of such an act. However, whether you condone or condemn it is anyone's guess. If the act was indeed immoral however, could one truly stand by such a flagrant display of disrespect? My Bio in Progress Prologue / CH.1
Vreena Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.15 21:09:00 - [39] Edited by: Vreena on 15/03/2007 21:05:42 Originally by: Falcione If the act was indeed immoral however, could one truly stand by such a flagrant display of disrespect? Just to rehash so you can have an answer. Artan wrote: Originally by: Arctan So, assuming this is worthy of investigation and possible prosecution in the Amarr empire, who is going to call for justice? Who is going to risk receiving the same kind of public scorn that Keraci caused for himself and the other holders? And maybe Keraci was right when he spoke out against that Lord, maybe he was on to something, and maybe that Lord simply showed the galaxy that Keraci was right. But, hey, justice isn't worth 1 ISK in Amarrian space. No one responded to this, but Mr. LokÆri on another thread posted this: Originally by: Gaven LokÆri Should a person in an exalted enough position to have the right to criticize an heir come forward with said criticism, it would be our place to act accordingly, but until that time comes we must show patience rather than acting the demagogue. It fits will enough. Vreena ----- The above does not in any way reflect the views and opinions of my corporation...well it could, but let's not be presumptuous, okay?
Kaleigh Doyle Renua Foundation	Posted - 2007.03.15 23:19:00 - [40] Mm, one need not look far to find the face of cruelty in humanity. The justifications for such acts rarely achieve what even the devout Amarr profess to desire. How does a bludgeoned slave find God if their brains are splatted about the walls? How does exploitation and subjugation encourage salvation if they aren't allowed the opportunity to fail, or even try?! We are gifted with the power of reason and thought, and if such a deity exists one would expect them to be pleased with one willing participant over ten unwilling slaves who will flee given the first opportunity to do so. I would urge the faithful Amarr to reconsider such barbarism, if not for the strengthening of their own faith with those eager to serve a higher purpose. xoxo

Lord Murkon Amarr SPCS	Posted - 2007.03.16 13:28:00 - [41] Edited by: Lord Murkon on 16/03/2007 13:24:47 Quote: Mm, one need not look far to find the face of cruelty in humanity. The justifications for such acts rarely achieve what even the devout Amarr profess to desire. How does a bludgeoned slave find God if their brains are splatted about the walls? How does exploitation and subjugation encourage salvation if they aren't allowed the opportunity to fail, or even try?! Have you not considered in this case that this slave could in fact save the lives of thousands? Let me explain. Imagine these property owners who dare question the heir and defy his directives see this action and are encouraged to reconsider their position and accept the heirs lawful rule. Now imagine these property owners all own slaves (which I'm sure most do) and imagine they now have time to provide for their slaves basic needs as they're not distracted by disobedience. Disobedience kills. A property owner who is distracted and disobedient to his heir certainly isn't beyond being disobedient to his obligations toward his slaves. By bringing them conformity and direction the owners will ensure they do not shirk their responsibility. Thus it is entirely possible and plausible this action will SAVE the lives of countless slaves who now will have the full attention of their owners. Lord Murkon SPCS Manager SPCS - Serving the pathetic Minmatar and lessor races by the grace of God
Wren Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.16 13:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Lord Murkon ...By bringing them conformity and direction the owners will ensure they do not shirk their responsibility. Thus it is entirely possible and plausible this action will SAVE the lives of countless slaves who now will have the full attention of their owners. Lord Murkon SPCS Manager How is beating random slaves conformity? Either ensure no slaves are beaten to death on the whims of their holders or beat them all to death, that would be conformity. However, since you depend on your slaves for the foundations of your empire, you will never do either, they are a commodity and a tool be used, broken, or thrown away as you choose, not some sort of sheltered and needful people aching for the wisdom that you seem to think is found at the end of needles, the sting of lashes, or in this case, the bloody ends of sticks. All your talk is cheap. All your talk is poison. All your talk is lies directed to calm the stirrings of what the rest of us call a conscience. ----------------------------------- Wren says: "Chirpy Chirp Chirp.... DAMNIT!"
Vreena Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Lord Murkon Have you not considered in this case that this slave could in fact save the lives of thousands? Mr. Murkon, again, there was one slave killed/beaten for each holder on the planet. How many holders is that? Certainly more than one. Quote: Disobedience kills. A property owner who is distracted and disobedient to his heir certainly isn't beyond being disobedient to his obligations toward his slaves. This is only true in Amarrian society for such a minor infraction as speaking out of turn. In the rest of the galaxy we'd be respected at best, and fired at worst. Quote: Thus it is entirely possible and plausible this action will SAVE the lives of countless slaves who now will have the full attention of their owners. It was possible yes, until (based on the news report) the holders decided not to obey their heir and wear bloody, brain spattered robes. Now there is just more fighting, which will probably get more slaves killed. It was a good try, but Aritcio only made things worse, by my reckoning. Vreena ----- The above does not in any way reflect the views and opinions of my corporation...well it could, but let's not be presumptuous, okay?


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