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ElrondMD The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.03.16 03:44:00 - [61] Please read above, i just clarified the real reality regarding every single point you made.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.03.16 03:50:00 - [62] Originally by: tbow10 Gl wraith i'm sure you'll have some fun with it :). And if you took the time to tell evryone up north they where back to nut you would never get to play :P wish you all best of luck and hope you enjoy yourselves storm armada :) The presence of a BoB poster in this thread speaks for itself. EVE War I - Quick Overview
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:02:00 - [63] Originally by: ElrondMD Smashkill isnt NAP'd by nearly all of the Northern Coalition, its only Vale residents, the command channel you speak of has nothing to do with most of the North as well, hence your access being removed. You've got your wires crossed and now your shooting alot of the parties that supported ESA. There is no way around it. Ok bud check this out. After our near war with PURE over the former CDC portion of Vale, ESA fell apart internally. This was due to betrayal by top officials, and me making decisions on the fly that not all agreed with. ** happens, moving on..... After leaving Vale, because we wouldnt accept PUREs final offer, we tapped TNT on the shoulder, and pointed out a nice quiet system in the new LQ- Region. TNT had a firm grip on the 87 region, and we had mutual respect for eachother. ESA was down to about 4 Corporations, and from 1700 members to just under 400. Our goal was to recover financially while waiting for our time to shine. It was during this time that our names was removed from the Northern Leadership channel MOTD. If you want me to post all of the Alliances represented in there to prove that just about ALL of the North was/is in there then I will do so. Moving on..... When this happened I knew that we werent held in high regard by all of the other entities in the North. I went afk due to RL for about a week. Upon my return I find out that SMASH and ROADKILL NAPPED TNT/PURE, and a few others, possibly D2. ESA was left out. Again, we start feeling the cold shoulder...... 2 weeks later as we are recovering in our small piece of pie Emperor of SMASH and a few of his buds come into our local and demand a weekly payment for staying there or they would remove us. I approach Peoke of SMASH in convo to no avail. Storm Armada being in no position to fight reached out to a few of its supposed friendly entities, and was politely told "Sorry to hear that" Again, no support from those who are supposedly our allies. I order ESA to evacuate the new Regions, and head back to Empire to take a chillpill. Now, I am leaving out quite a bit in this story that would even further prove my point, but I think Ive said enough. Im not here to make excuses for ESA shooting people who thought we were blue. We did, and to standup people like ARROW, RAZOR,MM, TSO, and a few others we apologize. We do not need to do underhanded things to perk up our killboards. Ask anyone who has fought against or with my men and I and Ill be damned if they dont say we are men of honor. Noones perfect of course, and everyone makes mistakes Im not going to sit here and let people like HYDRA call my Corp/Alliance backstabbers when they formed their Alliance literally in the middle of the night when they were supposed to be absorbed into ESA with the whole Vale deal. (When they found out that I wasnt going to let an individual Corporation keep a station, and instead give the Outposts to a Holding Company they dipped out in the middle of the night, claimed Sov in C-F and then smiled in our face the next morning.) If some of you spent as much time ingame in actual combat then you do ***ing, and moaning on these forums then you might be worth something. If you have an issue with me or my boys then you can come find us. Better yet, dont worry about it because Im sure we will find you. Mods, you can lock this thread. Its turned stupid
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:18:00 - [64] To the TSO, please disregard my rantings about Hydra as this was before you decided to join them. Not that Im not dissapointed in your decision, but friendship, and respect stem depper then that in my eyes. GL to you fellas, and Im sure we'll have a blast
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:23:00 - [65] Edited by: Wraithstorm on 16/03/2007 04:21:12 --------------------------------------------------------------- Channel ID: (('solarsystemid2', 30001384),) Channel Name: Local Listener: Wraithstorm Session started: 2007.03.06 23:18:20 --------------------------------------------------------------- [ 2007.03.06 23:46:51 ] EVE System > Channel changed to Obe Local Channel [ 2007.03.06 23:47:39 ] luecius > o/ [ 2007.03.06 23:47:41 ] luecius > brb fitting [ 2007.03.06 23:49:18 ] EVE System > Channel changed to P3EN-E Local Channel [ 2007.03.06 23:49:57 ] brad89 > o/ wraith [ 2007.03.06 23:50:02 ] Monster Khaos > o/ wraith longtime no see [ 2007.03.06 23:50:10 ] sajberk > \o wraith [ 2007.03.06 23:50:25 ] Manjoo > brad89 Friendly [ 2007.03.06 23:50:32 ] Manjoo > so no shooting there storm [ 2007.03.06 23:50:42 ] Monster Khaos > hey what bout me [ 2007.03.06 23:50:52 ] Monster Khaos > :) [ 2007.03.06 23:50:53 ] Manjoo > yeayea your blue to =) [ 2007.03.06 23:51:00 ] Manjoo > thougt you guys where mates when you said that =) [ 2007.03.06 23:51:12 ] Monster Khaos > wraith leader or storm armada wouldnt shoot him anyway [ 2007.03.06 23:51:21 ] Monster Khaos > of [ 2007.03.06 23:52:40 ] Wraithstorm > Fellas. You guys still have ESA at blue so out of respect for you I will tell you to set us to neutral or hostile. However you see fit. I wish you guys the best out here [ 2007.03.06 23:53:04 ] Wraithstorm > We are no longer part of the Northern Coalition and have taken a worldwide NBSI policy because of the BS politics [ 2007.03.06 23:53:23 ] Wraithstorm > Good luck and heres to GFs! [ 2007.03.06 23:53:43 ] Monster Khaos > aww but i dont wana shoot you i had most respect for you while kingsmen were part of storm [ 2007.03.06 23:53:48 ] shoresy > lo writh [ 2007.03.06 23:54:14 ] Wraithstorm > Same here bro, but we got burned bad by some of the bigdogs in the North and treated like garbage so this is nothing personal against you guys [ 2007.03.06 23:54:18 ] Wraithstorm > Hey there Shore [ 2007.03.06 23:54:33 ] shoresy > sorry dude you set to red [ 2007.03.06 23:54:44 ] Wraithstorm > :)) [ 2007.03.06 23:54:46 ] Monster Khaos > i know wraith i was there when you got **** over [ 2007.03.06 23:55:12 ] shoresy > ok am out [ 2007.03.06 23:55:33 ] CosainMuid > need any help guys for a min? [ 2007.03.06 23:55:35 ] brad89 > cos rename ship dude [ 2007.03.06 23:55:40 ] Monster Khaos > still have to say your one of the best speach givers out there [ 2007.03.06 23:55:42 ] sajberk > thanks for the update Wraith, good luck to u! [ 2007.03.06 23:55:50 ] Wraithstorm > o7 guys [ 2007.03.06 23:55:55 ] Monster Khaos > o7 [ 2007.03.06 23:55:55 ] Manjoo > yea gl dude [ 2007.03.06 23:56:00 ] CosainMuid > it has been!!!! you didn't see ship did ya? [ 2007.03.06 23:56:01 ] Manjoo > fly "safe" [ 2007.03.06 23:56:01 ] sajberk > haha o7 [ 2007.03.06 23:56:01 ] brad89 > o7 [ 2007.03.07 00:03:57 ] brad89 > wtf [ 2007.03.07 00:05:34 ] LoveKebab > run :P [ 2007.03.07 00:05:40 ] EVE System > Channel changed to IPAY-2 Local Channel This is just one of many local chats Ive had with pilots out in Vale.
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:28:00 - [66] Man Wraithstorm, its sad to see such a great FC and leader of ESA not getting the due respect... you always did great fighting sadly loyalty always becomes an issue and freaken greed... I very confident that you will find new allignment soon... USN
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:29:00 - [67] Originally by: USN CVN72 Man Wraithstorm, its sad to see such a great FC and leader of ESA not getting the due respect... you always did great fighting sadly loyalty always becomes an issue and freaken greed... I very confident that you will find new allignment soon... USN Thanks for the kind words old man. In this game Ive come to learn that you cant please everyone lol. You still playing with like 14 accounts bro?
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 04:32:00 - [68] Edited by: USN CVN72 on 16/03/2007 04:28:38 Originally by: Wraithstorm Edited by: Wraithstorm on 16/03/2007 04:26:03 Originally by: USN CVN72 Man Wraithstorm, its sad to see such a great FC and leader of ESA not getting the due respect... you always did great fighting sadly loyalty always becomes an issue and freaken greed... I very confident that you will find new allignment soon... USN Thanks for the kind words old warhorse. In this game Ive come to learn that you cant please everyone lol. You still playing with like 14 accounts bro? Yes - Its been real growing pains living up north bro... its taken me a long time to get back to FCing in my capacity... Northern Politics sucks ass... glad i dont do politics...
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 07:27:00 - [69] I really don't know much about politics, but AFAIK 1) ESA up until this week didn't shoot any member of Northern coalition (not 100% sure as our KB didn't work); 2) TNT (Northern coalition member, aren't they?) was the first to numerously times attack us while we were in New Regions and they did break the NAP with us in a first place, AFAIK. Anyways I don't care much about politics. I feel sorry to those who feel them self back stabbed and I apologize to the ones who were personally attacked by me on this week thinking that we are blue... No honor in this actions. I hope this mistake won't happen in the feature and we all will have plenty of good fair fights. Have fun everyone.
The Squirrell Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 07:58:00 - [70] Edited by: The Squirrell on 16/03/2007 07:56:06 Just adding my two cents here, we were engaged and attacked by TNT and also possible Makhai pilots before we even left the new regions, before we moved to Empire, before we even thought about shooting anyone. The people responsible for this are also the people who betrayed ESA from the inside during the Vale incident. Therefore, if anyone wants to complain about being shot by blue's without prior notice, it should be us. Furthermore, most of the points have been clarified by fellow ESA members, but I will also add this, it's not our problem if people's leadership fails to inform them. I went out and engaged a hauler on the C-F to LS-JEP pipe, however, he thought we were still blue, and as a result I let him go, and sent him an EVE-mail informing him of the situation, to which I got a reply that indicated the leadership of that Alliance (I beleive it was Hydra) already knew we were hostile and simply failed to tell it's rank and file about it, probably in the hopes of looking better. ESA pilots in this case showed honour and let the target go and contact his leadership. Since leadership was contacted and informed as a result of this incident, and since I was the first ESA pilot out there and engaging targets, this Alliance and its immediate surrounding Alliances (this covers Hydra, Makhai and Pure) have absolutely no reason to claim that they thought we were blue, at least one alliances set of leadership knew before the rest of ESA arrived, any losses to those three alliances are purely a result of your leadership utterly failing in its duties. Given the alliance in question, this does not surprise me in its nature, but I'll leave it at that. EDIT: And as for the other northern alliances, the ones we respect, we apologise for the confusion, but again, I ask you, one of your own coalition member alliances knew what the score was. They didn't tell you. So who is the more trustworthy?
Phoenicia Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 09:04:00 - [71] Originally by: The Squirrell The people responsible for this are also the people who betrayed ESA from the inside during the Vale incident. One could argue that if a group is separated into two separate factions due to opposing opinions, that only the smaller of those two factions can be labelled the traitors. 1700 members - 400 current = 1300 Maybe someone wasn't thinking about decisions long enough before announcing them as law. Your Signature exceed the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
gaaksel The Legion.	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:04:00 - [72] You can say what you want about wraith and ESA , one thing is for sure it is never boring when wraith wears the helmet :) GL wraith and may the targets be plenty :)
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:33:00 - [73] Edited by: Wraithstorm on 16/03/2007 10:39:14 Edited by: Wraithstorm on 16/03/2007 10:37:08 Originally by: Phoenicia Originally by: The Squirrell The people responsible for this are also the people who betrayed ESA from the inside during the Vale incident. One could argue that if a group is separated into two separate factions due to opposing opinions, that only the smaller of those two factions can be labelled the traitors. 1700 members - 400 current = 1300 Maybe someone wasn't thinking about decisions long enough before announcing them as law. Nice try. When you are the 2nd in Command of an Alliance, and you go behind its back to secure a NAP with an entity that your Alliance is about to go to war with so you can move your assets out of the field of battle is betrayal full, and simple. Funny though, they are the leaders of YOUR Corporation so I would expect you to come on here and try to pull some BS like that. The same leaders who tried to negotiate a deal with CRUEL/FE when they were residents of IPS living under TNT. The same leaders I was warned about beforehand by my would be enemies. Trust me bro, we arent buying it. In hindsight, Forsaken Empire, Cruel Intentions I have to admit you fellas were right. You know what Im talkin about. Furthermore, your logic is flawed because ESA didnt lose its 1600 pilots in one fell swoop. It was a gradual thing, and Corporations left for many different reasons, not just because of decisions made. Anyways fellas, I think alot of points have been made, and flames given, and taken. Lets do less talking on the forums, and more on the battlefield. Now that you supposedly know that we arent your friend when you see us in local, we'll see how it affects our supposed "perked" up killboards
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:46:00 - [74] Originally by: Phoenicia One could argue that if a group is separated into two separate factions due to opposing opinions, that only the smaller of those two factions can be labelled the traitors. Interesting point of view. Originally by: Phoenicia 1700 members - 400 current = 1300 Thats right. When we had 1700 members we hardly could bring together a 50 man fleets when we were under attack by CI and F-E in the IPS. The question is - how many players out of those 1700 were active... Anyways I don't know what exactly happened between ESA and M.V, but from my point of view it looked like TNT has aggressed us. I don't want to prove anything here and it doesn't really matter now. What is done is done.
CLEISTHENES2 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:48:00 - [75] GL wraith and boys, good to see you back in game and doing well old friend ;)
Phoenicia Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:52:00 - [76] Originally by: Wraithstorm Nice try. When you are the last authority-figure with credibility in an Alliance, and you go behind its back to secure a NAP with an entity that your Alliance-leader decided to go to war with, against the pleas of half the alliance so you can move your assets out of the field of battle is the only option left, and simple. Funny though, they are the leaders of YOUR Corporation so I would expect you to come on here and try to pull some reality-check like that. Random plea for assistance to people who got lots of kills off us. Random plea for tinfoil-hattage. You know what Im sayin'. Furthermore, your logic is flawed because ESA didnt lose its 1600 pilots in one fell swoop. It was a gradual thing, and Corporations left for one reason, because of me. Anyways fellas, I fail at flamewars just like I fail at leading an alliance anywhere but back to empire, so please stop posting in a thread that's flamebait to everyone who's been on the inside track. Corrected a few things there for ya. You're welcome. Your Signature exceed the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Wraithstorm Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:05:00 - [77] Edited by: Wraithstorm on 16/03/2007 11:02:41 Edited by: Wraithstorm on 16/03/2007 11:02:34 Really bro. You couldnt come back with a factual post so you pull something like that. Your not worth my time. Mods, you can lock this thread now. Its becoming stupid
Phoenicia Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:08:00 - [78] Originally by: Wraithstorm Mods, you can lock this thread now. Its becoming stupid QFT Your Signature exceed the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:19:00 - [79] Originally by: Wraithstorm Edited by: Wraithstorm on 16/03/2007 04:21:12 [ 2007.03.07 00:05:34 ] LoveKebab > run :P [ 2007.03.07 00:05:40 ] EVE System > Channel changed to IPAY-2 Local Channel This is just one of many local chats Ive had with pilots out in Vale. the last 2 lines in your local chat made me giggle. and yes ESA=Hydra in pvp quality. you all suck. especially the wcs frigates and cruisers that runs at first sight of anything capable of putting up a fight. Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
Fark Gallente Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:29:00 - [80] Originally by: Wraithstorm Really bro. You couldnt come back with a factual post so you pull something like that. Your not worth my time. Actually Wraith, by correcting your statement Phoe has given a very good picture of how everyone had had enough of your leadership techniques at the time. (I don't know if they are the same now). But you lost the trust of alot of members long before everyone split, thats why some leaders had to go and take measures to stop their own bloodbath. - - - - - - - - - All comments and posts are my own and not of Macabre Votum
Fark Gallente Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:30:00 - [81] Originally by: Fark Originally by: Wraithstorm Really bro. You couldnt come back with a factual post so you pull something like that. Your not worth my time. Actually Wraith, by correcting your statement Phoe has given a very good picture of how everyone had had enough of your leadership techniques at the time. (I don't know if they are the same now). But you lost the trust of alot of members long before everyone split, thats why some leaders had to go and take measures to stop their own bloodbath. Why is all my text italic? - - - - - - - - - All comments and posts are my own and not of Macabre Votum
Phoenicia Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:33:00 - [82] Originally by: Fark Why is all my text italic? Are you italian mayhaps? [/i] Testing? Your Signature exceed the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
DTee The Huns Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:57:00 - [83] Edited by: DTee on 16/03/2007 11:56:04 Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Wraithstorm Edited by: Wraithstorm on 16/03/2007 04:21:12 [ 2007.03.07 00:05:34 ] LoveKebab > run :P [ 2007.03.07 00:05:40 ] EVE System > Channel changed to IPAY-2 Local Channel This is just one of many local chats Ive had with pilots out in Vale. the last 2 lines in your local chat made me giggle. and yes ESA=Hydra in pvp quality. you all suck. especially the wcs frigates and cruisers that runs at first sight of anything capable of putting up a fight. The irony was killing me so I thought i'd post here. Especially since incestual *pocalypse are the ones who run at the first sign of a fight. They dont need warp core stabs because they have npc stations and logging off down to a fine art. Your a great guy wraith, I've always liked you. Although do you rememebr the time when you made a deal with celest to get your ** out? (ironically they are the ones smacking the crap out of you right now) Disclaimer: These are my personal views, they do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
The Squirrell Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 13:15:00 - [84] Originally by: Fark Actually Wraith, by correcting your statement Phoe has given a very good picture of how everyone had had enough of your leadership techniques at the time. (I don't know if they are the same now). But you lost the trust of alot of members long before everyone split, thats why some leaders had to go and take measures to stop their own bloodbath. If by everyone you mean a person hardly anyone outside his corp trusted and a pair of corps with their own interests ahead of their honour, you'd be correct. The traitors were by far the minority. However, being traitors they cut a better deal than those left in ESA who had some honour left, and as such a lot of corps that were neutral went for the area with the better deal.
Phoenicia Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 14:02:00 - [85] Originally by: The Squirrell If by everyone you mean a person hardly anyone outside his corp trusted and a pair of corps with their own interests ahead of their honour, you'd be correct. The traitors were by far the minority. However, being traitors they cut a better deal than those left in ESA who had some honour left, and as such a lot of corps that were neutral went for the area with the better deal. You've gone delusional. Like all really bad dictators, you now try to claim that the voices of reason were "few, without honour, and looking for a coward's way out", when we were really many, doing what had to be done, looking to break free from certain doom. Cowards and dishonourable pilots get chased off to empire, where honourable pilots get to prosper, surrounded by friends. Where does ESE live again? How many people are still blue to you? Your Signature exceed the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
MaxSkywalker Gallente Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 14:07:00 - [86] Edited by: MaxSkywalker on 16/03/2007 14:04:20 GL out there ESA.. Lets say a corp wants to find you on the battlefield for a fair game.. Where do you live these days? - *Who is this Bob guy anyway?*
Boliknar The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 14:15:00 - [87] Originally by: The Squirrell Originally by: Fark Actually Wraith, by correcting your statement Phoe has given a very good picture of how everyone had had enough of your leadership techniques at the time. (I don't know if they are the same now). But you lost the trust of alot of members long before everyone split, thats why some leaders had to go and take measures to stop their own bloodbath. If by everyone you mean a person hardly anyone outside his corp trusted and a pair of corps with their own interests ahead of their honour, you'd be correct. The traitors were by far the minority. However, being traitors they cut a better deal than those left in ESA who had some honour left, and as such a lot of corps that were neutral went for the area with the better deal. I feel the need to clear up a few things here. Hydra was formed by several corporations from CDC including Penumbra. Penumbra along with Dline and Verhmillo(sp) were supposed to join into ESA there-by giving ESA control of three stations(LS-Jep,ZLZ,C-F.) PURE then decided they deserved to be given LS-JEP if CDC was disbanding. Wraithstorm then told the controlling corporations of the two remaining stations that they would have to give up control of the stations to ESE. This was apparantly the last staw for the Penumbra leardership in what had been intense and many times heated discussions (including a Penumbra diplomat being called out on ESA TS for a pledge of loyality in front of 150 ESA pilots). Penumbra elects not to join ESA and starts HYDRA instead. ESA is offered ZLZ but with no sov claims...This decision makes not only ESA mad but also the controlling corp of ZLZ...Much drama insues. Wraith chooses not to accept the offer form the north concerning zlz and tells its pilots to move its stuff to empire. This was the time alot of corps left ESA...AVA and others form The Makhai and take the offer of ZLZ. TSO decides it wants to stay in 0.0 and joins some old friends (and enemies) in the HYDRA Alliance. What people need to remember is at the time this was all happening Wraith was going through some serious RL issues (hope your son is doin ok BTW) and the people he left in charge were not looking out for the best intrests of the alliance but were more dedicated to their ind. corps. Alot of mistakes were made on both sides. To start throwing flames around now as to who stabbed who first is pointless. We are all in a better situation now anyway. ESA is out of politics and shooting people. Thats what they want anyway-- right?
Indiano Arko Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.03.16 14:19:00 - [88] Originally by: Xendie Originally by: Wraithstorm Edited by: Wraithstorm on 16/03/2007 04:21:12 [ 2007.03.07 00:05:34 ] LoveKebab > run :P [ 2007.03.07 00:05:40 ] EVE System > Channel changed to IPAY-2 Local Channel This is just one of many local chats Ive had with pilots out in Vale. the last 2 lines in your local chat made me giggle. and yes ESA=Hydra in pvp quality. you all suck. especially the wcs frigates and cruisers that runs at first sight of anything capable of putting up a fight. After this week I had a respect to your alliance - you guys showed that you can PvP and work as a team. But after reading this post I'm starting to slowly change my mind... If you think that it's a big achievement - to make few T1 cruisers run when you bring T2 fitted command ships, HACs and BSs, then I have only one word to say here: lol. P.S. I really liked your partly faction fitted badger.
Yoshizuki Iori SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.16 14:20:00 - [89] Best of luck Wraithstorm. I left suddenly around the end of last year and have enjoyed flying with Shamis and the gang thus far - I needed a change of scenery though otherwise I might have ended up throwing in the EVE towel and calling it quits. You provided a helluva foundation though with ESA and I wish you guys the best. For the rest of the trash talkers though - Wraith has always been such a helluva stand up guy and his word has always been good - those who bs around with him on TS will easily come to know that. I can't help but laugh at some of the comments being thrown out. Good luck guys - looking forward to seeing you out there. A little pew pew does great things for the soul. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature. - Elm
Shka M'Beki Macabre Votum Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.16 14:43:00 - [90] I must admit, I really like the fact, that there is no blue between TNT and ESA any more. I disliked joining ESA back in the days due to the way wraith acted as dictator, and even though joining because of a corpinternal democratic vote i felt soon my feelings had been correct. Leaving ESA was a relief, and actually now seeing that standing reflect the way i think about it makes it an even greater relief. Calling our guys traitors just shows what kind of twisted reality you guys seem to experience. If a considerably big group of people disagree within a dictatorial system, most people would rather call it revolution. I dont care, if u use different vocabulary though, I know how it was/happened, and it was good that it happened that way. Looking forward to seeing you ... hopefully you have found alternative ways of combat, except to "Let's get all to the 5-10 pos, and wait this one out!!" _____

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