Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin

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However, I've gotten 4 successes on 1-run covetor bpcs (max run is 10), resulting in 1-run hulk bpcs. So the job success is not related to the number of runs--if it succeeds, you get 1 run guaranteed. As for the impact of a max run, you may be correct in that it has no appreciable impact...I have a slave...er, alt...whipping up some max runs while I do different testing on SiSi. One would hope that a max run ship BPC nets you at least one additional run, but if you're right then we'll all be better off using single runs for ship invention.

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Originally by: ShadowRat

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Originally by: Khajit Smitty

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hows does the max() function work in the above formulae?

if max(a;b) then does it take the bigger of the two numbers?

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Originally by: Meau

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Concerning runs, i nearly fully agree with qual. I just include a 1/10 factor and use actual maxrun numbers of the BPC type(f.e. 10 for T2 cruisers, not 1).

Runs = max(1;Round.Down( (ActualRunsInputBPC/MaxRunsInputBPC) * (MaxRunsOutputBPC/10) + DecryptorBonusRuns))

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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs

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Just something which i'm not sure if people have investigated, but the more you invent something, the less likely it seems you'll have success it seems.

Case example, i did three successful inventions in a row of an item. All had less and less favourable messages as output. I then successfully predicted the fourth attempt would fail. I waited a day, then sent off another attempt, the 5th was successful, but had the same success message as my 3rd attempt, which was the least favourable of the initial success attempts

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Originally by: Sir Emi

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I can confirm the success rate for modules has been cut in half in the 27 or 28 march downtime, acording to my success data...

Stealth nerf for sure.

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Originally by: Kaven Kantrix

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So Qual, you seem to have perfectly nailed down exactly what the resulting BPC will be IF your job succeeds. Thats awesome.

Have you figured out the change of actual success/failure?

Many other people have put forth success/failure forumla's, but not you.

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Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin

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Well, thanks to the stealth nerf on invention, my previous success rate datasets are worth exactly two things: Jack and ****. And Jack got podded.

Since then on TQ I've attempted about 10 hulk inventions with no success with 4/4/4 skills and a mixture of Test Reports and Stolen Formulas, and with covetors. I'm a bit peeved.

However, I had a few jobs pending on Singularity. Delivered them (4/3/3 skills there, and the jobs were no decryptor but with a covetor) and got 75% success....so maybe the stealth nerf is rolled back some with the new build? Oveur accidentally misplace the decimal point with the current invention success rate perhaps?

Guess we'll see tomorrow.

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Originally by: CampyloBacter

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Has anyone else noticed a decreased chance of success with increasing BPC run size? Or could this just be down to chance?

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Originally by: Phasics

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Edited by: Phasics on 14/04/2007 08:45:53
Has anyone consider that skills may be like skill for earning RP ?

and that getting that final 5th level of the skill give the biggest boost to the RP/Day

could somthing similar be happening here , I've yet to see much data from people with 5/5/5 or even 4/5/5

also has anyone done testing without decryptors ? from the numbers I would be guess the best outcome would be 10run with -4ME -4PE and a 1x success chance.

migth save people some iskies trying without decrptors ?

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Originally by: Pixmo Nostra

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OFC the number of attempts is still to small to make it 100% certain, but I must say that the outcome is very similar, and if adding an item with metalevel 2 to the job gives a higher chance of a succesful job, it sure isn't with much.

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Originally by: Chruker

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Has anybody noticed that the waste factor on the invented blueprints doesn't follow the normal waste factor formula?

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Originally by: Aykido

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Invention Formulae

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Originally by: Vladimir Tinakin

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Best market will be for the +9 run decryptors, I think. The max-run bpcs will just grant +1 to the invention results...potentially not worth it to spend the extra 10-15M on a max run, especially if you're likely to burn through a half dozen+ to get one success.

A series of 1-runs coupled with a +9 should be more profitable in the long run.

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 24/09/2007 11:24:50
I'm not sure whether it'll be quite as slow as that; Racial Battleship V is the likely requirement, but thousands of people have already got it trained so that they can use capital ships. BC V is more of a dead end. Also, those people are likely to be quite wealthy

EDIT: granted, if things like Recon Ships V or Covert Ops V are also needed, there'll be more of a delay...

I've asked Sara Dawn (of http://ineve.net) whether it would be possible to show how many pilots have BS V, including those who don't have carrier/dreadnought skills, but I haven't received a positive response yet.

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Originally by: Jenny Wimbishi

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The difference between 5/5/5 and 4/4/4 is a little less than 1%.
Using the calculator included with eveMEEP, here are the percentages for module/ship invention by skill level assuming the following layout encryp/sci/sci.

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