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Egsise
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Posted - 2016.08.31 15:28:23 -
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Many that start Eve from trial or buddy invite end up mining to pay their plex and 90% of those who try Eve quit in a few months because Eve is boring as watching asteroid mining.
Alpha clone players face the same problem, it just makes new players very frustrated and they will still face the fact that they must pay to play.
It's like a neverending trial.
When new players want to make isk and fly the good ships without paying the sub and they ragequit if they can't what next, buff the free account skills? |
Egsise
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Posted - 2016.08.31 16:43:13 -
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What do we have now?
A 30 day trial and with buddy invite which everyone uses it's 30day trial + 60day gametime and you can do ANYTHING.
Nerf that to T1 frigs and modules that lasts for the rest of their lives.
Don't let the noobs do any of the cool stuff unless they pay the sub.
Yes I've given my friends a plex what I got from buddy invite when they paid the sub. |
Egsise
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Posted - 2016.09.02 15:54:57 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:ok guys thing is really simple here:
single scenario:
you have newcommer alpha clone player, he hooks up into the game and at some point decides to.. lets say go for some low sec PvP
so he grabs his t1 desroyer, fit it with t1 fit, maybe if was lucky to receive proper instruction he'll load it with factional ammo [he should have access to that, right?]
so he goes to the lowsec, and is utterly anihilated by the very first assault frig he meets, or even better a tactical destroyer
he looks up the ship that pwned him and realise that looking by numbers, that ship is superior to his - now blown to pieces t1 dessie. also he realises that he cannot use it until he pays real money [or farm for plex]
at this point possibility of two possible outcomes can emerge:
if he started playing game believing EvE has turned f2p, [which is possible for th moment being considering all the press forgetting actuall definitions of stuff and not-so-straight-way-of-CCP-saying-things] he WILL find it extremely p2w [let us remember we talk here about 100% fresh player with decent ability to use his brain]
the other case - if he was for the whole time fully aware that alpha clone is nothing more than trial account wihout time limit slapped ontop of it, he won't get the wrong idea about game being p2w, will move on and is more likely to consider buying the sub on the later date to enjoy those shinier toys.
What is really important now though is for CCP to properly accent the truth about alpha clones, before people will flock to "now-f2p-eve" only to start spewing crosss the internetz how eve is "p2w rubbish"
There is no way a noob can tell the difference between ships or fits.
Not from Eve.
It might be possible to see the difference from third party fitting program.
But even then it's the player skills that have huge impact on how the ship stats are and how the ship is actually flown in combat.
But I agree that it should be named differently to prevent the poor and the noobs crying Eve is P2W. |
Egsise
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Posted - 2016.09.03 13:28:36 -
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Skill extracting and selling the sp easily makes enough in a month to buy a plex so Eve is F2P.
Why would anyone over 5,5 mil sp would settle to play free with alpha clone and reduced skills when he can play for free and without any ship or module restrictions just by selling his sp and buying a plex with it?
(you sell the skills what you get in a month so you don't lose any skills, it's just skill harvesting)
CCP have you really thought this through? |
Egsise
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Posted - 2016.09.03 14:30:08 -
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Daylan Vokan wrote:Egsise wrote:Skill extracting and selling the sp easily makes enough in a month to buy a plex so Eve is F2P.
Why would anyone over 5,5 mil sp would settle to play free with alpha clone and reduced skills when he can play for free and without any ship or module restrictions just by selling his sp and buying a plex with it?
(you sell the skills what you get in a month so you don't lose any skills, it's just skill harvesting)
CCP have you really thought this through? Have you, the alpha needs to be made an omega before any extraction is possible, the max amount per month is 3 plus a good head start for the next extraction but that is with +5's installed. So your looking @ 1bill plus and rising again for a plex then the cost of your 3 extractors 210m to 250m all coming out of a max profit of 1.95 bill a month and a toon that is relatively dead in the water as anything you train on it past its base 5 mill are being harvested every 500k. Its good as a side line but not much use unless its trained from an omega grade from the start or its skill set will be pre determinded.
Did you mean that a player with lets say 20mil sp who returns benefits more playing free with alpha clone and T1 ships, rather than using the full 20mil sp skills and selling skills he trains during the month he is in omega clone to buy plex to keep that character in omega state?
So can you explain what did you just say because I'm not sure if I understood you. |
Egsise
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Posted - 2016.09.03 14:44:57 -
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Daylan Vokan wrote:Egsise wrote:Daylan Vokan wrote:Egsise wrote:Skill extracting and selling the sp easily makes enough in a month to buy a plex so Eve is F2P.
Why would anyone over 5,5 mil sp would settle to play free with alpha clone and reduced skills when he can play for free and without any ship or module restrictions just by selling his sp and buying a plex with it?
(you sell the skills what you get in a month so you don't lose any skills, it's just skill harvesting)
CCP have you really thought this through? Have you, the alpha needs to be made an omega before any extraction is possible, the max amount per month is 3 plus a good head start for the next extraction but that is with +5's installed. So your looking @ 1bill plus and rising again for a plex then the cost of your 3 extractors 210m to 250m all coming out of a max profit of 1.95 bill a month and a toon that is relatively dead in the water as anything you train on it past its base 5 mill are being harvested every 500k. Its good as a side line but not much use unless its trained from an omega grade from the start or its skill set will be pre determinded. Did you mean that a player with lets say 20mil sp who returns benefits more playing free with alpha clone and T1 ships, rather than using the full 20mil sp skills and selling skills he trains during the month he is in omega clone to buy plex to keep that character in omega state? So can you explain what did you just say because I'm not sure if I understood you. No, i was using your anyone with over "5.5m skillpoints" meaning that its never going to accrue anymore skillpoints than the bare minimum allowed for extraction purposes. Obviously if someone is happy at a certain level and feels they no longer need there monthly earned skillpoints they could freely harvest away playing free but being static in progression.
YES, compared to alpha clone that is also limited to 5mil sp but with no T2 skills.
Returning player who has good skills doesn't need the alpha clone as he can just sell his skills to play on what level he is at that point.
So what CCP suggests is that they introduce a new F2P feature that is already in use because of the skill extractors and plex.
trololololol |
Egsise
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Posted - 2016.09.03 15:08:23 -
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That 20mil sp character is free to play right now(no pve, no grinding, no need to make any isk)
Alpha clone is free to play but limited to 5mil sp and T1.
Think about it which is more fun to play. |
Egsise
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Posted - 2016.09.03 15:44:44 -
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Daylan Vokan wrote:Egsise wrote:That 20mil sp character is free to play right now(no pve, no grinding, no need to make any isk)
Alpha clone is free to play but limited to 5mil sp and T1.
Think about it which is more fun to play. That Alpha is completely free, cost the owner nothing at all, If the alpha changed to omega trained the extact same skills as your 20 mill toon then did the same and started recycling, his will of been even cheaper to create as he get 5 mill free. Just because you have it now means what exactly, everyone starts from scratch unless you plexed your toon from the bazaar, which guess what, you can do the exact same thing now too and have a 20m toon. At the end of the day you trained your 20 mill from scratch, they only have to train from 5 to 20 but if you find it amusing so be it.
For a old player that returns the alpha clone has no value as you can just play with omega clone for free by selling sp. |
Egsise
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Posted - 2016.09.03 17:47:05 -
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Daylan Vokan wrote:Egsise wrote:Daylan Vokan wrote:Egsise wrote:That 20mil sp character is free to play right now(no pve, no grinding, no need to make any isk)
Alpha clone is free to play but limited to 5mil sp and T1.
Think about it which is more fun to play. That Alpha is completely free, cost the owner nothing at all, If the alpha changed to omega trained the extact same skills as your 20 mill toon then did the same and started recycling, his will of been even cheaper to create as he get 5 mill free. Just because you have it now means what exactly, everyone starts from scratch unless you plexed your toon from the bazaar, which guess what, you can do the exact same thing now too and have a 20m toon. At the end of the day you trained your 20 mill from scratch, they only have to train from 5 to 20 but if you find it amusing so be it. For a old player that returns the alpha clone has no value as you can just play with omega clone for free by selling sp. So by repeating the same thing 5 times does it make it seem like your getting an even better deal, Alpha's are designed for new players and to be honest why a 20 mill player on returning would just want to recycle his assets if there is new kit to be used is beyond me unless they're used to walking like a duck.
Yes, but no recycling. |
Egsise
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Posted - 2016.09.09 14:11:01 -
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I remember when I started Eve I knew it takes years to train the skills.
That was actually the biggest reason I started Eve, I wanted to play a game that isn't over in six months like majority of games today.
When I ask why someone doesn't play Eve is that they worry that it takes 25 years to train everything to max level,
and they could never catch those who have started earlier.
Most new players don't understand that the reason why they can't do mission X or win that pvp fight is that they
don't have corpmates who fly with them, not the lack of skills.
I'm not sure if this is covered so here's my opinion about multiboxing.
I think you should not be allowed to log in more than one alpha clone at the time.
The alpha clone is targeted to new players and they need to learn that if they need more than one ship, well they need friends then not multiple accounts what they use to solo for six months and then quit Eve because it's boring.
If an old player with multiple accounts wants to look what Eve is now,
well he doesn't need more than one account at the time for that or to sell assets to plex or just to chat with old corpmates.
You shouldn't be allowed to log in an alpha clone with omega clone(s).
You are not allowed to do it with trial accounts either. |
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