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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
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Posted - 2016.09.02 19:41:36 -
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Welcome,
Finally CCP is on the god damn move. I am actually happy about this one. Did they really listen and opened flood gates for other regions of the planet? We are yet to confirm.
Let us see the following.
The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming. People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX. They won't be very much into expensive PLEX but:
This will make a bigger demand for plexes thus rising prices, yet if the real purchase of PLEX from CCP stays the same and the free riders get hands on in game plex mostly, the overall supply will go down driving up the price, as subscription is actually cheaper than PLEX so I speculate that PLEX will indeed rise, the size of rise depends on amount of free subs up for grinding.
We have to consider the fact that if PLEX goes up too much nobody will buy it, even so, if grinding PLEX for free subs is too much they won't buy into PLEX which can actually drive price down. Not considering on other expenses. Of course it will have certain effect on economy but not that big. Surely it depends on how big the flood will be and how viable it will be for players to grind skills and isk for PLEX and game.
Just wait and see the trend. The more people the more exciting. Scam will have new life. Can't wait for that shock of crybabies rushing into forums after feeling EVE in some painful manner. Sadly it won't be as hardcore as it was back in time.
Also many many more things but I will keep it to myself... for business pleasure purposes.
There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...
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Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
671
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Posted - 2016.09.02 19:45:07 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Scam will have new life. I can't wait to see your next one!
"I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given." - Book of Reclaiming 22:13
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Ria Nieyli
45970
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Posted - 2016.09.02 19:53:28 -
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It won't have a major effect on the price of plex tbh. A lot of people will outright stop buying it for some of their farming accounts. The opposing increase would be a trickle, rather than a flood. Most people don't have what it takes to grind up a plex within a month, nevermind the much slower pace alpha accounts will be chugging at.
Given that, and the daily traded volumes of plex, price trends will remain mostly the same.
"slang" is shortened language for "shortened language"
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
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Posted - 2016.09.02 19:57:24 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:It won't have a major effect on the price of plex tbh. A lot of people will outright stop buying it for some of their farming accounts. The opposing increase would be a trickle, rather than a flood. Most people don't have what it takes to grind up a plex within a month, nevermind the much slower pace alpha accounts will be chugging at.
Given that, and the daily traded volumes of plex, price trends will remain mostly the same.
Mil pardon, I meant the long run. You clearly state short run effects. Also grinding corporation that live for small tax of 1 percent will have hordes of those who want to learn how to PLEX.
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.09.02 20:04:51 -
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What I meant was this will have no discernible effect on the price in the long term. A majority of people that can already get by with simply plexing already do. There are lots of corps that teach their players how to do it. I guess you don't speak Russian, so they're mostly invisible to you though.
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
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Posted - 2016.09.02 20:16:54 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:What I meant was this will have no discernible effect on the price in the long term. A majority of people that can already get by with simply plexing already do. There are lots of corps that teach their players how to do it. I guess you don't speak Russian, so they're mostly invisible to you though.
I am in RUST, I know exactly what I am talking about. Also, those who will come cannot do it and long run will be slightly differnet than current run but what you described is short run of few years, yet these are not precise just as mine since we are yet to see the flood size.
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Ria Nieyli
45970
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Posted - 2016.09.02 20:24:36 -
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Here's the thing. There's not going to be a flood of new subscribers just because of this change. Far from it.
Also lol at your garbage reasoning that you 'just' know what you're talking about. I can pull that too.
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Karen Humphrey
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Posted - 2016.09.02 20:41:19 -
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Time for the triple multi boxing cruizer farms!
Karma is going to get you
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
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Posted - 2016.09.02 21:11:29 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Here's the thing. There's not going to be a flood of new subscribers just because of this change. Far from it.
Also lol at your garbage reasoning that you 'just' know what you're talking about. I can pull that too.
My reasoning was before. This is just constatation of fact, beacuse I say not to boast but to reassure that I know what I talk about unless I don't but that should be propely proven which rarely happens here. Everyone makes mistakes, it is important to acknowledge them.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
936
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Posted - 2016.09.02 21:20:18 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Welcome,
The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming. People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.
I am not sure how this is different from now?
Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex
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Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2016.09.02 22:53:08 -
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Rhivre wrote:William Legrand-Marx wrote:Welcome,
The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming. People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.
I am not sure how this is different from now? Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
38
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Posted - 2016.09.02 23:30:47 -
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Rhivre wrote:William Legrand-Marx wrote:Welcome,
The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming. People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.
I am not sure how this is different from now? Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex
That is just too little to be significant.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
948
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Posted - 2016.09.02 23:45:29 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Rhivre wrote:William Legrand-Marx wrote:Welcome,
The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming. People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.
I am not sure how this is different from now? Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex That is just too little to be significant.
What is actually changing that will cause more people to do this?
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Koniforous
The Scope
273
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Posted - 2016.09.03 03:18:29 -
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When I first read the clone changes and even free to play idea, my immediate thought was PLEX price is headed for a crash. There are so many alt accounts that people PLEX just to have ganker, research, or trade alts and once the clone changes hit I'm guessing a lot of those accounts won't need to be PLEXed anymore, decreasing demand and driving down prices.
I don't foresee a giant flood of new players joining EVE just because it's free now and actually sticking around. And, I imagine there will be a large initial influx that declines very rapidly. However, I do believe there will be a huuuuuge influx of new accounts created by veteran pilots to take advantage of the reasons for having an alt account mentioned above. I for one will be logging into my 2 deactivated accounts regularly after the changes.
PLEX demand will decrease, PLEX prices will crash, recover, and then quickly decline over the long term to a less than now value norm, after it stabilizes it will again begin to increase over the long term and eventually surpass its current prices.
Just my 2 cents...
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
948
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Posted - 2016.09.03 03:21:34 -
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Koniforous wrote:When I first read the clone changes and even free to play idea, my immediate thought was PLEX price is headed for a crash. There are so many alt accounts that people PLEX just to have ganker, research, or trade alts and once the clone changes hit I'm guessing a lot of those accounts won't need to be PLEXed anymore, decreasing demand and driving down prices.
An Alpha Clone account's characters can only benefit from Alpha Clone skills, nothing more than the ~5m SP they're allowed will work.
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2016.09.03 03:23:22 -
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The hole in your assessment is that potential deviations from the current sold/bought amounts of plex that would be brought buy the change ar small. So small, in fact, than when measured against the current daily volume, they might as well not be there.
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Cista2
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2016.09.03 06:08:20 -
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PLEX prices have dropped 5% since the announcement. Clearly those that argue for a future all-time high price level are not acting on their own hyperbole.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
937
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Posted - 2016.09.03 08:04:54 -
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William Legrand-Marx wrote:Rhivre wrote:William Legrand-Marx wrote:Welcome,
The new grinding of skills with SP extractors will exist as a business. Can't wait to see it coming. People that play free will be the ones to grind isk for PLEX.
I am not sure how this is different from now? Huge extractor farms exist, and lots of people play for free by using plex That is just too little to be significant.
4-6k PLEX per day? So, 2-3k assuming equal distribution for traders, that is not really insignificant.
The volume of injectors per day is also far from insignificant when you do the maths on how many characters are needed to supply it.
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
38
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Posted - 2016.09.03 16:10:55 -
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Koniforous wrote:When I first read the clone changes and even free to play idea, my immediate thought was PLEX price is headed for a crash. There are so many alt accounts that people PLEX just to have ganker, research, or trade alts and once the clone changes hit I'm guessing a lot of those accounts won't need to be PLEXed anymore, decreasing demand and driving down prices.
I don't foresee a giant flood of new players joining EVE just because it's free now and actually sticking around. And, I imagine there will be a large initial influx that declines very rapidly. However, I do believe there will be a huuuuuge influx of new accounts created by veteran pilots to take advantage of the reasons for having an alt account mentioned above. I for one will be logging into my 2 deactivated accounts regularly after the changes.
PLEX demand will decrease, PLEX prices will crash, recover, and then quickly decline over the long term to a less than now value norm, after it stabilizes it will again begin to increase over the long term and eventually surpass its current prices.
Just my 2 cents...
Trump supporter spotted. Very good prognosis because in the long run that is the plan. More expensive PLEX also more viable to buy directly from CCP and not ingame. What do you think?
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William Legrand-Marx
Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415
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Posted - 2016.09.03 16:11:55 -
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Cista2 wrote:PLEX prices have dropped 5% since the announcement. Clearly those that argue for a future all-time high price level are not acting on their own hyperbole.
How can you fall for short-term adjustment shocks?
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Koniforous
The Scope
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Posted - 2016.09.03 18:08:54 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Koniforous wrote:When I first read the clone changes and even free to play idea, my immediate thought was PLEX price is headed for a crash. There are so many alt accounts that people PLEX just to have ganker, research, or trade alts and once the clone changes hit I'm guessing a lot of those accounts won't need to be PLEXed anymore, decreasing demand and driving down prices. An Alpha Clone account's characters can only benefit from Alpha Clone skills, nothing more than the ~5m SP they're allowed will work. Here are the lists: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RAXCnpI7nzgZxQh31ak1_Eyn5nRSQ_oessmqEHzl0YM/pubhtml
Yep, looks like mining, salvaging, production, and trade alts will be manageable as alphas. If its free, there is nothing stopping someone now from creating and army of dedicated production only, trade only, or mining only free to play alpha alts. PLEX prices are headed down, whereas actual module, ship and mineral demands will increase. Id imagine those selling skillbooks in trade hubs might also see increased demand.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
952
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Posted - 2016.09.03 18:49:26 -
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Sure, there's nothing stopping anyone from creating the accounts. It's likely that Alpha Clone accounts will have a, albeit easily bypassed, limit of one per computer similar to what we have on current trial accounts. I don't think anyone will use them as miners due to the fact that they'll be more than 50% worse than a reasonably skilled Procurer. You'll be limited to four T1 production slots without the 15% time bonus from Advanced Industry, that'd get tedious real quick.
You can cover your PLEX with SP extracting anyway, and if that ever changes you could just let your subs lapse and continue as an Alpha Clone. I don't think we'll have any problems with Alpha Clones that people aren't already using 51 day accounts for, as the latter are superior in most ways, except the fact you need to create new accounts/characters every two months.
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Morgan Agrivar
TriStar Market Solutions
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Posted - 2016.09.04 23:12:33 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Sure, there's nothing stopping anyone from creating the accounts. It's likely that Alpha Clone accounts will have a, albeit easily bypassed, limit of one per computer similar to what we have on current trial accounts. I don't think anyone will use them as miners due to the fact that they'll be more than 50% worse than a reasonably skilled Procurer. You'll be limited to four T1 production slots without the 15% time bonus from Advanced Industry, that'd get tedious real quick.
You can cover your PLEX and profit with SP extraction anyway, and if that ever changes you could just let your subs lapse and continue as an Alpha Clone. I don't think we'll have any problems with Alpha Clones that people aren't already using 51 day accounts for, as the latter are superior in most ways, except the fact you need to create new accounts/characters every two months. If there is no limits on how many alpha chars I can have logged on, then I would make a couple of them myself to suppliment what I do. If there is a limit like trial accounts, then I won't even bother with it.
This would cure me of the fear...
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VonZeppelin
Manson Family Advent of Fate
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Posted - 2016.09.05 02:10:01 -
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Good morning William Legrand Marx,
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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2016.09.05 05:41:20 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote: You'll be limited to four T1 production slots without the 15% time bonus from Advanced Industry, that'd get tedious real quick. That doesn't seem like much of a limitation to me.
I'd happily add 12 of these to my production team to get 48 additional production slots for 30 day jobs and use the number of slots available to compensate for the missing 15% time bonus and the lack of a full 4% industrial implant. Since the launcher makes logging in various characters and accounts much smoother than it used to be, the only real downside will be having to switch off that terrible docking animation on all those accounts. Also, what will happen to the other 7 jobs on a character when it moves from Omega to Alpha?
I'd also be interested to know how pre-existing market orders behave when a clone changes from Omega to Alpha. Because if I unsub a character with 305 active orders at the moment, those orders remain on the market. |
Lee Mealone
Radzone
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Posted - 2016.09.05 12:20:41 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Sure, there's nothing stopping anyone from creating the accounts. It's likely that Alpha Clone accounts will have a, albeit easily bypassed, limit of one online per computer similar to what we have on current trial accounts. I don't think anyone will use them as miners due to the fact that they'll be more than 50% worse than a reasonably skilled Procurer. You'll be limited to four T1 production slots without the 15% time bonus from Advanced Industry, that'd get tedious real quick.
You can cover your PLEX and profit with SP extraction anyway, and if that ever changes you could just let your subs lapse and continue as an Alpha Clone. I don't think we'll have any problems with Alpha Clones that people aren't already using 51 day accounts for, as the latter are superior in most ways, except the fact you need to create new accounts/characters every two months.
So how would bypassing this limit be easily be done? If CCP think it can be limited, but players know otherwise, surely this is an exploit waiting to happen? |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
953
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:04:43 -
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I guess 12 production + 3 research slots per account isn't that bad, but it's still inferior to profitable SP farming accounts with 10 of each, full time bonus skills, and the ability to build/invent T2 items while only logging in once to install jobs.
I'm not going to tell you how to bypass the limit, but it is trivial and easily searched for. CCP know about it and a dev even stated in one of the Alpha Clone threads that it's would be difficult to prevent all methods of bypassing the limit. Bypassing the limit only really has one use at the moment due to the trial skill and feature limits, but I guess that could change with Alpha Clones.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:24:11 -
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Lee Mealone wrote:
So how would bypassing this limit be easily be done? If CCP think it can be limited, but players know otherwise, surely this is an exploit waiting to happen?
Well, for example, more than 1 PC
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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.09.05 14:39:38 -
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Koniforous wrote:When I first read the clone changes and even free to play idea, my immediate thought was PLEX price is headed for a crash. There are so many alt accounts that people PLEX just to have ganker, research, or trade alts and once the clone changes hit I'm guessing a lot of those accounts won't need to be PLEXed anymore, decreasing demand and driving down prices.
I don't foresee a giant flood of new players joining EVE just because it's free now and actually sticking around. And, I imagine there will be a large initial influx that declines very rapidly. However, I do believe there will be a huuuuuge influx of new accounts created by veteran pilots to take advantage of the reasons for having an alt account mentioned above. I for one will be logging into my 2 deactivated accounts regularly after the changes.
PLEX demand will decrease, PLEX prices will crash, recover, and then quickly decline over the long term to a less than now value norm, after it stabilizes it will again begin to increase over the long term and eventually surpass its current prices.
Just my 2 cents...
I think the 'influx' will more be lapsed subscribers coming back.
We were chatting about these new accounts in the New Order's more public channel lately. Noone really thinks they will be useful for us - it's better just to PLEX an account, strip away the SP you earn in the month, and resell the injectors. I think most people will draw the same conclusions, unless injectors crash quite hard against PLEX.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:39:11 -
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VonZeppelin wrote:Good morning William Legrand Marx,
thank you for your meaningful forum post.
Bit sad that you created an alt just to thank yourself, William.
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