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Venkhar Krard
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Posted - 2007.03.16 21:21:00 -
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I know, its already a very good pvp ship..
But its still weaker than the other tier 2s.
The Drake has 7 launchers and almost a command ship class passive tank.
The myrmidon has battleship class dmg, great tank and a lot of mids.
The habringer has more hp's, 7 turrets and room for medium drones. (it lacks a second dmg bonus, but lasers with 1 bonus deal almost as much dmg as ACs with double bonus)
So.. pls give the minmatar pilots a 7th turret slot or a 50m3 drone bay. Thank you ;]
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Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.16 21:36:00 -
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So that you can cram in another dual 180mm II for almost no fitting cost and 5x hammerhead... hm lets see:
-faster then harb
-more dps then harb
-better tank then harb (dual med rep +1600mm + injector +mwd)
-less sig
-better fitting grid and cpu wise after guns
-more cap after guns fire
-same drones
why should i fly my Harb again then?
so... NO
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Venkhar Krard
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Posted - 2007.03.16 21:53:00 -
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1.I said drone bay or 7th slot.
So no more dps then the Habringer.
2. Its not possible to fit 7 turrets, a dual rep tank and a 1600mm plate even with the lowest tier guns.
3. You already have much more cap and room for a cap injector. So no need to fear about cap.
4. Signature isnt relevant on bc level, especially if you fit mwd. And 15m/s more arent anything special if you dont want to fit is as nano-ship.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.16 22:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Venkhar Krard
1.I said drone bay or 7th slot.
So no more dps then the Habringer.
2. Its not possible to fit 7 turrets, a dual rep tank and a 1600mm plate even with the lowest tier guns.
3. You already have much more cap and room for a cap injector. So no need to fear about cap.
4. Signature isnt relevant on bc level, especially if you fit mwd. And 15m/s more arent anything special if you dont want to fit is as nano-ship.
1. It already does as much dps as a harbinger, you want to buff its DPS. X+1 must be greater than X since 1 is greater than 0.
2. And well it should not be. [b]oh wait, the fact that you can fit a MWD, Inj, dual rep, 1600 plated tank on a cruiser sized ship using a full rack right now, is over the freaking top.
3. No actualy the harbinger has 5% more cap and room for a cap injector if he doesnt fit an MWD when using pulses or is running FMP, which make electrons and dual 180mms look like large guns.
4. No its not, it is important for locking time, and that 15m/s and lower mass make a huge difference in how fast you manuver around the battlefield.
Lets make something clear here. The Sliepnir, it outdamages with its guns, the absolution. It has 7 turrets and a double damage bonus.
And you want the Hurricane to do that too? They both have the same drone size right now.
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.03.16 22:56:00 -
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mmm, an extra low or mid slot would be nice.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
RONA Deepspace
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.16 23:14:00 -
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This has got to be a joke. The hurricane is one giant ass gun, how is that bad? Put a large MWD on it, get in close and blow the hell out of anything moving.....
HAHAHAHAHA, this post is a joke!
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2007.03.16 23:15:00 -
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Gimme Hurricane with 7 turret slots. Change bonus to 5% ROF and 10% falloff per level. DPS goes down slightly, not that I'd mind 
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Altrex Stoppel
SniggWaffe
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.03.16 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
This has got to be a joke. The hurricane is one giant ass gun, how is that bad? Put a large MWD on it, get in close and blow the hell out of anything moving.....
HAHAHAHAHA, this post is a joke!
QFT 
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.16 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard
This has got to be a joke. The hurricane is one giant ass gun, how is that bad? Put a large MWD on it, get in close and blow the hell out of anything moving.....
HAHAHAHAHA, this post is a joke!
Generally a very effective tactic, I just got a 325 wrecking hit with my 425mms. I wouldn't mind little bit less mass, but dps is not a problem for this ship. Its also one of the few minmatar ships with plenty of cap.
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Ren Tales
Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.03.17 04:23:00 -
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.... GWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!
I'm all for nerfing the myrmidon, but the Hurricane is GREAT.
Er. I mean... >.>
Yeeees, boost hurricane! 
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Xori Ruscuv
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.17 04:52:00 -
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^_^
Sure, boost the hurricane :D I wouldn't mind at all
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.17 05:02:00 -
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The enemy Im fighting tends to be in Hurricanes...they still die.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.17 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian
The enemy Im fighting tends to be in Hurricanes...they still die.
Do you want a bloody cookie?
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.17 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Thor Xian
The enemy Im fighting tends to be in Hurricanes...they still die.
Do you want a bloody cookie?
I'm trying to find one without blood on it, but sofar no luck, got any?
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.17 14:23:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 17/03/2007 14:26:20
Agreed, Buff the hurricane. I mean the DPS is soo totally weak compared the the thanatos and chimera. It should totally out DPS them and it would be balanced by the fact that they have much better tanks.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.17 14:30:00 -
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btw, i'm hurricane pilot myself. That thing is wicked nasty with battlecruiser IV or V. Picture it this way, give a battlecruiser 6 425mms, 2 heavy launchers, 5 T2 hobgoblins and your DPS is already devestating. add in a 50% damage bonus to the 425mms from Battlecruiser IV (1.2 / 0.8). Throw in enough leftover PG for dual MAR IIs, a damage mod, and a few EANMs...
This thing totally rocks. I managed to kill a nosdomi supported by an armageddon before going down. Don't know what you're smokin.
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DarkElf
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.17 15:02:00 -
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hurricane has no cap for guns over the myrmidon and doesn't rely on drones for decent dmg which can be easily popped. armour tanks well so can have decent tackling gear where as drake can't.
seems still balanced ok to me. all have advantages
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.17 16:16:00 -
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The only thing wrong with the Hurricane is that it is not any faster or lighter than the Cyclone.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.17 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian
The only thing wrong with the Hurricane is that it is not any faster or lighter than the Cyclone.
Cyclone should be faster and lighter to be honest
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.03.17 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
btw, i'm hurricane pilot myself. That thing is wicked nasty with battlecruiser IV or V. Picture it this way, give a battlecruiser 6 425mms, 2 heavy launchers, 5 T2 hobgoblins and your DPS is already devestating. add in a 50% damage bonus to the 425mms from Battlecruiser IV (1.2 / 0.8). Throw in enough leftover PG for dual MAR IIs, a damage mod, and a few EANMs...
This thing totally rocks. I managed to kill a nosdomi supported by an armageddon before going down. Don't know what you're smokin.
in actual fact ROF bonus is better than damage bonus because it works backwards... effectivly giving 33% bonus not 25% bonus.. i think so you get a 58% damage mod^^
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.03.17 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
hurricane has no cap for guns over the myrmidon and doesn't rely on drones for decent dmg which can be easily popped. armour tanks well so can have decent tackling gear where as drake can't.
seems still balanced ok to me. all have advantages
DE
HAH... easily popped he says.. you ever seen max skilled ogre II with BC V on one of those beasts? they have more HP than assault ships.. and they hit like large weapons
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DubanFP
Caldari
Four Rings
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.18 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
in actual fact ROF bonus is better than damage bonus because it works backwards... effectivly giving 33% bonus not 25% bonus.. i think so you get a 58% damage mod^^
Actually my numbers took that into effect. i'ts 1 / (1-.2) or 1 / .8 for RoF bonus, then multiply THAT by 1.2 for your damage bonus and you get 1.5 or 50% bonus damage. That's for BC IV, get BC 5 and it's 1.25 / .75 or a 66.6% bonus to damage. VERY powerful stuff.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.18 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Thor Xian
The only thing wrong with the Hurricane is that it is not any faster or lighter than the Cyclone.
Cyclone should be faster and lighter to be honest
Im going to assume your reasoning is because the Typhoon and Tempest?
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Toolivus
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Posted - 2007.03.18 05:09:00 -
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Because compared to the 'cane it's got **** all else going for it.
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Wrayeth
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.18 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 18/03/2007 05:13:00
The cyclone is probably the most useless battlecruiser out there. It can't even tank well when fitted with autos due to a severe lack of midslots. I would class even the ferox as a more useful ship since it, at least, can field a nice tank (though its damage output, like the cyclone, sucks monkey balls).
EDIT: To clarify, the cyclone can't tank worth a damn when fit with a MWD and a scrambler, which are kind of required.
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NightmareX
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.18 05:17:00 -
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No this is not needed, Hurricane is perfect as it is now. And i know that, because i'm using a Hurricane as my main ship atm, and i know how good the ship is.
And trust me, if the Hurricane get the 7th gun slot, then it will be 8456874 posts on this forum about 'OMG Hurricane is overpowered1111oneoneeleven! Nerf Nerf Nerf'
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.18 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 18/03/2007 05:13:00
The cyclone is probably the most useless battlecruiser out there. It can't even tank well when fitted with autos due to a severe lack of midslots. I would class even the ferox as a more useful ship since it, at least, can field a nice tank (though its damage output, like the cyclone, sucks monkey balls).
EDIT: To clarify, the cyclone can't tank worth a damn when fit with a MWD and a scrambler, which are kind of required.
What if the Cyclone lost 2 hi slots (and gained a 6th turret) and gained 2 mids?
Might be a bit more viable then.
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Mr Peanut
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.03.18 06:08:00 -
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I've eaten enough hurricane shrapnel to know that it isn't by any means a bad ship. You can fit a MWD and and sine i-stabs to have awesome speed, or you can go for an insane tank complemented by the great DPS that the bonuses bring. How could you ask for more?
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6Bagheera9
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.18 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Edited by: Wrayeth on 18/03/2007 05:13:00
The cyclone is probably the most useless battlecruiser out there. It can't even tank well when fitted with autos due to a severe lack of midslots. I would class even the ferox as a more useful ship since it, at least, can field a nice tank (though its damage output, like the cyclone, sucks monkey balls).
EDIT: To clarify, the cyclone can't tank worth a damn when fit with a MWD and a scrambler, which are kind of required.
The Cyclone is not a solo ship, its designed provide support for highly mobile frig/cruiser gangs which can't afford to have a BS slowing them down. Its also quite effective at protecting BSs from heavier tacklers. Thus it is natural that you're going to have problems when you try to fit it with a MWD and tackling gear. Personally I'd like to see it get a 6th turret hardpoint and the grid and cpu to support it, but it is by no means a crumby ship.
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Ryo Jang
Central Defiance
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Posted - 2007.03.18 07:24:00 -
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let me get this strait.. hurricanes can fit a full rack of the biggest closerange weapons, dual MAR's, and people still want it boosted?
WTB: harbinger that can do the same!
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.18 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Thor Xian
The only thing wrong with the Hurricane is that it is not any faster or lighter than the Cyclone.
Cyclone should be faster and lighter to be honest
Im going to assume your reasoning is because the Typhoon and Tempest?
No, because except on the BC class, the lower teir ships are faster and lighter. As well, with less DPS and more tank, it needs to be more mobile as a gang platform than the Hurricane
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KnifeyMcShanker
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.18 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian
The only thing wrong with the Hurricane is that it is not any faster or lighter than the Cyclone.
That's because the cyclone has sails on the front, helps it get more speed.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.18 11:18:00 -
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I usualy dotn read stuff around here just coz of posts like this . Hurricane is god damn awesome and anyone who thinks it is under powered realy lacks the common sense to properly fit one or even use it period !
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.18 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tista
Originally by: DarkElf
hurricane has no cap for guns over the myrmidon and doesn't rely on drones for decent dmg which can be easily popped. armour tanks well so can have decent tackling gear where as drake can't.
seems still balanced ok to me. all have advantages
DE
HAH... easily popped he says.. you ever seen max skilled ogre II with BC V on one of those beasts? they have more HP than assault ships.. and they hit like large weapons
er yes that would me how i fly it but it still easy for them to get popped by 5 mediums if someone webs them. and before u say just recall and re deploy, just remind ur self how reliable that is.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
MASS HOMICIDE
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Posted - 2007.03.18 11:37:00 -
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People must keep in mind that peopel have different skill levels. The hurricane is quite inferior to othe Tier 2 BC whn at BC level 2 but match them when reachign BC level 5 ( same thing that happens when you compare tempest with other BS).
Only thing I would ask is a slighty improved lockign range, so I can properly use it as a ati platform and about 25 more PG so I can fit my 720 mm guns.
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