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Petranese
The Knowledge. Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.05 20:06:35 -
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Hello
Im pretty new to EVE, and as i was exploring all aspects of EVE i found wormholes and instantly fell in love with them. I instantly liked high-risk high-reward enviroment, semi-randomness of WH connections and non-existent local chat.
Since im new player my SP is VERY limited, so im what you would call "carebear" right now. Basically, i just snuff gas in C4/5/6 and explore sites in C1/2/3 holes, hoping i'll get enough ISKies to inject my way into bigger (possibly PVP-oriented) hulls.
I started as ninja gas miner. Gas mining requires like 2 hours of training to get into, and it was vastly superior to anything else i could do... My Venture got blown up multiple (3) times, and as ISKies rolled in i learned how to not get killed.
So, first lessons learned: - never use MWD against SBs. It just hurts. - cloud decloaks, so sitting in huge cloud makes SBs visible before they can scram - every decent miner hunter has at least 3 points of warp disruption
Because T2 gas harvesters are already like 8x as expensive as Venture hull, i decieded i should get a Prospect. I was thinking it's slightly better than Venture and stuff... and i was wrong. It's GODLIKE. I already harvested gas worth of ~5 bil and my Prospect was never blown up by another player (i lost one when afk slowboating with cloak into cloud when there were sleepers on the grid). I've encountered dozens of bombers, several T3 cruisers, Astero gankers, combat ventures with 3x scram and Recons. Every encounter made me rethink my tactics, i think i got pretty hard to catch. My current fit & tactics:
4x Warp core stab
2x Small Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender 1x 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
2x Gas Harvester 1x Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
1x Small Ancillary Current Router II 1x Small Low Friction Nozzle Joints II
I warp in to Gas site at 100, bookmark centre of the better cloud (C320, C72, C50, C32), warp to closest celestial and warp to my bookmark. I throw down a can, set orbit to 10km and turn AB and Harvesters on. Sometimes i check Dscan for probes or ships, but that's it. This goes on until i mine out gas/players/NPCs show up. If i see probes on Dscan i just pay more attention for a while.
Thing is, people can't really gank you as they would need 5 points to lock you down. That means either 3 scrams or at least 1 faction scram. SB's can't afford to fit 3 scrams, and if they do fourth module needs to be prop. That means no web -> 10mn AB doing wonders. Also, torps hit like wet noodle when fired at 30m sig ship moving 2km/s...
Sig/speed tanking also immensely helps against Svipuls. Multiple Svipuls tried to alpha me only to find out their arty can't really hit me. Most of the time im long gone before they target me anyways. For anything bigger than T3Ds is lock time on 30m sig pretty long, allowing me to warp before they can lock me.
I know im not invulnerable, so im asking. Is there anything more i can do (while soloing) to prevent getting killed? Any tips/advices?
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Darth Bex
Boundless Exploration
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:27:54 -
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Only thing I can think of is to warp to a tactical if your exit is out of D-Scan range. If someone works out where you're going when you've finished huffing there's a good chance you'll be warping into a bubble with tackle on the edge of it.
Disciple of Bob
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Jonn Duune
Imminent Collapse.
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Posted - 2016.09.05 21:49:07 -
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only think i can think of suggesting is having a mobile depot & probe launcher refit in your cargo.
My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.
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Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
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Posted - 2016.09.06 00:54:21 -
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Drop something in the middle of the cloud (bring some t1 ammo or something) and orbit it. Easy cloaky protection.
I would also forgo an extender and put on a web. You've not encountered it yet but what will really kill you is interdictors. No amount of warp core stabs is going to save you from a bubble.
However doing the above two precautions means:
1. They will land well out of scram range of you 2. Even if they do get close and bubble up, you web and overheat your afterburner and get out of their range and second bubble |

Petranese
The Knowledge. Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.06 03:08:40 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Drop something in the middle of the cloud (bring some t1 ammo or something) and orbit it. Easy cloaky protection.
I would also forgo an extender and put on a web. You've not encountered it yet but what will really kill you is interdictors. No amount of warp core stabs is going to save you from a bubble.
However doing the above two precautions means:
1. They will land well out of scram range of you 2. Even if they do get close and bubble up, you web and overheat your afterburner and get out of their range and second bubble
Yeah, web/damp wouldbe nice, however remember im using 4 warp core stabs so my targeting range is basically non-existent. Is there any non-targeted EWAR other than ECM burst that could be useful? As for dictors, yeah, they are a bit problematic, i've ran from Flycatchers before. However they can't warp on top of me as i am constantly orbiting a can (no need for jettisoning ammo, jettison bookmark instead) so im probably up to 30km away from point where he lands on grid
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Jack Miton
Un.Reasonable
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Posted - 2016.09.06 04:41:02 -
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Getting killed in a venture indicates a distinct lack of paying attention. Nano fit your venture, orbit cloud at 500m, watch dscan, warp off if anything lands. virtually impossible to lose it.
There is no Bob.
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Ray Mitar
Ganksters Inc Drake Ashigaru
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Posted - 2016.09.06 05:15:51 -
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Seems to me you have made some good choices. Anoikis mining is dangerous but profitable, a lot of pilots should follow your lead. There is a lot of fun to be had in this game if you are not trying to do it afk.
I am going to point new pilots to this thread to show it doesn't have to be years and years before you can be very good at something that is dangerous fun and profitable. |

Petranese
The Knowledge. Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.06 07:32:11 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Getting killed in a venture indicates a distinct lack of paying attention. Nano fit your venture, orbit cloud at 500m, watch dscan, warp off if anything lands. virtually impossible to lose it.
Venture has just 1 low slot and 1 nano isn't going to do much. Hunters often gank pre-scanned sites, usually in bombers with light missiles and dual scram or combat Asteros. You're as good as dead if you use Venture, especially when being outside cloud. If you sit in large cloud they have to MWD into scram range, giving you time.
Regardless, while your tactic works it requires constant attention and theres little room for error. If you see Svipul warping in you have 3-5 seconds to GTFO, while my fit/tactics net you more than 10 seconds or more as he won't be able to alpha you and his scrams won't pin you down. |

Petranese
The Knowledge. Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.06 07:37:51 -
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Ray Mitar wrote:Seems to me you have made some good choices. Anoikis mining is dangerous but profitable, a lot of pilots should follow your lead. There is a lot of fun to be had in this game if you are not trying to do it afk.  I am going to point new pilots to this thread to show it doesn't have to be years and years before you can be very good at something that is dangerous fun and profitable. 
Thanks I think it's perfect for new players as they learn vital things such as using dscan, bookmarks etc. while earning more 10-20x more than while mining ore |

Tsukino Stareine
Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found
1733
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Posted - 2016.09.06 07:59:17 -
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If you're not using a 10mn ab already I would give that a go as well |
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Duchess Amarrian
Tesla Aerospace Industries
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:22:08 -
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tk tk tk tk tk. Let me help you out.
Most miners rarely think of ECM when gas farming. I 've lost count on how many times i've warped out using ECM to save my backside. Knowing and understanding the use of it in conjunction with the gas cloud is important. I never orbit at 10km, I use to orbit right up the ass of the gas cloud. Put the ECM on the prospect and your easily waving bye bye.
Impotantly as well, there are many different wh's with different signals. Using the correct ECM will only make you harder to target. I would advise you testing it on sisi. I can't recal if i used ECM implants (hint). But then again the prospect is a small marginal loss compared to the combat ships and all your doing is sucking in gas to get high.
enjoy
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Lorno Death
Sternenbastarde
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Posted - 2016.09.06 11:56:16 -
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Nice to see that somebody started in the same way I did when I started playing, Let me tell you, you will never get sad about WHs. These mystic places will have your attention in your whole EVE life. Good to see that you figured out a good tactic and that you have a lot of fun and benift of it! |

Petranese
The Knowledge. Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.06 16:25:30 -
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Duchess Amarrian wrote:tk tk tk tk tk. Let me help you out.
Most miners rarely think of ECM when gas farming. I 've lost count on how many times i've warped out using ECM to save my backside. Knowing and understanding the use of it in conjunction with the gas cloud is important. I never orbit at 10km, I use to orbit right up the ass of the gas cloud. Put the ECM on the prospect and your easily waving bye bye.
Impotantly as well, there are many different wh's with different signals. Using the correct ECM will only make you harder to target. I would advise you testing it on sisi. I can't recal if i used ECM implants (hint). But then again the prospect is a small marginal loss compared to the combat ships and all your doing is sucking in gas to get high.
enjoy
Have fun
Well... i use 4x warp stabs, so my targeting range is like 2m anyways. Even if i didn't, ECM would be mediocre as you never know which ship is going to gank you and Prospect has 3 mids so you can't use more than 2 ECM modules. Without bonused hull it's probably going to suck anyways.
It's small chance to escape+4 low slots VS huge chance to be able to warp out+2 mid slots.
Please correct me if i am wrong |

Amak Boma
Dragon Factory Peoples United Republic Empire
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Posted - 2016.09.07 07:36:49 -
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when was stealing gas from c4 wh i used recon cruiser trick. alt with curse (lasesis works too) one bomber tried to take down my prospect but sensor dampened bomber and sent drones along firing my missiles from curse first he attacked prospect anyway but when he hit structure he put his tail under legs and warped out . prospect was down to 6% shields. |

Harry Flowerpot
Three-Headed Monkeys
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Posted - 2016.09.07 19:52:53 -
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The crazy Russian guy in Thera is harvesting C5/6 sites dry by speedtanking the Sleepers which are spawning after ~15 min. He says they are acting like bodyguards since they will shoot any ganker who will get near him. I can't find his video but here is a basic write up from another guy. |

Raker Plaude
Australian Belt Strippers Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2016.09.08 02:41:00 -
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Petranese wrote:Since im new player my SP is VERY limited, so im what you would call "carebear" right now. Basically, i just snuff gas in C4/5/6 and explore sites in C1/2/3 holes, hoping i'll get enough ISKies to inject my way into bigger (possibly PVP-oriented) hulls.
Thanks for the info, I've been kitting out a Prospect similair to give it a try. Can I ask though, how do you find the gas sites? And I'm assuming, since you don't have a probe launcher, that you don't mean exploring in the traditional EVE activity sense?
Thanks! |

Marox Calendale
Human League Eleven Signs Network
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Posted - 2016.09.08 07:58:40 -
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Petranese wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Getting killed in a venture indicates a distinct lack of paying attention. Nano fit your venture, orbit cloud at 500m, watch dscan, warp off if anything lands. virtually impossible to lose it. Venture has just 1 low slot and 1 nano isn't going to do much. Hunters often gank pre-scanned sites, usually in bombers with light missiles and dual scram or combat Asteros. You're as good as dead if you use Venture, especially when being outside cloud. If you sit in large cloud they have to MWD into scram range, giving you time. Regardless, while your tactic works it requires constant attention and theres little room for error. If you see Svipul warping in you have 3-5 seconds to GTFO, while my fit/tactics net you more than 10 seconds or more as he won't be able to alpha you and his scrams won't pin you down. Try Low Friction Nozzle Joint Rigs + Nano in low. With some Navigation Skills at 4 you can get in 2 - 3 Seconds into warp in your venture. |

Petranese
The Knowledge. Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.08 13:18:26 -
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Harry Flowerpot wrote:The crazy Russian guy in Thera is harvesting C5/6 sites dry by speedtanking the Sleepers which are spawning after ~15 min. He says they are acting like bodyguards since they will shoot any ganker who will get near him. I can't find his video but here is a basic write up from another guy.
Yeah, i've seen this. Im certainly going to try this, it seems very good but my balls aren't big enough to try it. Yet. Also, i lack proper shield/navigation skills. It's possible it requires either HALO or NOMAD implants, but it should be much better than just ninja snuffing. If there's anyone who did this please write down how/what is required.
Raker Plaude wrote:Petranese wrote:Since im new player my SP is VERY limited, so im what you would call "carebear" right now. Basically, i just snuff gas in C4/5/6 and explore sites in C1/2/3 holes, hoping i'll get enough ISKies to inject my way into bigger (possibly PVP-oriented) hulls. Thanks for the info, I've been kitting out a Prospect similair to give it a try. Can I ask though, how do you find the gas sites? And I'm assuming, since you don't have a probe launcher, that you don't mean exploring in the traditional EVE activity sense? Thanks!
If you are starting from Kspace, you need: Mobile depot Probe Launcher (fit instead one of harvesters) MWD (fit instead of 10mn AB, optional) Scanning upgrades (fit instead of extenders, optional)
MWD is for moving between holes, it's much better at escaping dictors/bubbles with MWD+bubble trick. Scanning upgrades can cut down the time required to scan down the sites.
So, if you are starting from HS you need to: 1. Find quiet HS system, definitely not anything within 10 jumps of Jita or 5 jumps of any other trade hub 2. Scan down holes. You will usually find C1/2/3, feel free to jump in. DON'T enter EOL holes or else you'll have to scan your way out. Frigate sized holes are very good. 3. If you want to mine low-yield gasses, scan down whole system and switch your fit. 4. If you want to mine high-yield gasses (320 & 540) move into C4/5/6 WHs.
Tips:
-Mining in hole that has direct HS connection that isn't frig-sized is unadvised, you will find tons of dictors and campers there. -WHs with 2 HS connections tend to be very active, avoid them -Check your Dscan often -if going out with full cargo of gas, warp to celestial closest to hole and Dscan it for camps -never leave out your Mobile depot, it can be scanned down and possibly trapped if you try to return to it. -choose between mining low-yield gasses and high-yield gasses. C320 is twice as profitable as C50, but finding Vital or Instrumental site takes alot more time. -bigger clouds are much safer, as you can move in them at maximal velocity while being far from the edge. Clouds decloak so you are much, much safer from stealthy gankers.
Recognizing threats from Dscan: -Combat probes = trouble, if there are 4+ probes at <5AU get out of the cloud and cloak -Core probes = possible danger, 4+ probes at <2 AU mean you should be very cautious -T1 BS and HICs mean someone is probably rolling holes, which might be dangerous if you want to get out -T3, dictors and recons mean trouble. Bombers can be ignorable with proper fit/tactics. -Marauders, Dreads and anything used to run sites are usually bad. They can't threaten you but they run support ships and scouts who can.
List of sites:
Barren Perimeter: Good. always go for C50 Token Perimeter: Bad, low yield Minor Perimeter: Average. C72 is great but it's slightly dangerous as it is small cloud Ordinary Perimeter: Terrible.NEVER go there, you will die. Not worth it. Sizeable Perimeter: Average, go for C50... however it's small cloud Bountiful Frontier: Good. Go for C28. It's much safer and probably as much profitable as C32 Vast Frontier: Good. Same as Bountiful but reversed, so go for C32 Vital Core: Very good. Go for C540 if you want safety, C320 for 30% more ISK Instrumental Core: The best. C320 all the way. Rats in this site have scrams, caution advised |

Persephone Alleile
Nocx Initiative Moist.
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Posted - 2016.09.08 15:48:21 -
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Harry Flowerpot wrote:The crazy Russian guy in Thera is harvesting C5/6 sites dry by speedtanking the Sleepers which are spawning after ~15 min. He says they are acting like bodyguards since they will shoot any ganker who will get near him. I can't find his video but here is a basic write up from another guy.
FYI this only works with Instrumental Core Reservoirs which only spawn sleeper battleships, other gas sites have smaller ships that can take out yer prospect easy. |

Jonn Duune
Imminent Collapse.
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Posted - 2016.09.08 23:53:02 -
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Persephone Alleile wrote:Harry Flowerpot wrote:The crazy Russian guy in Thera is harvesting C5/6 sites dry by speedtanking the Sleepers which are spawning after ~15 min. He says they are acting like bodyguards since they will shoot any ganker who will get near him. I can't find his video but here is a basic write up from another guy. FYI this only works with Instrumental Core Reservoirs which only spawn sleeper battleships, other gas sites have smaller ships that can take out yer prospect easy.
yes this is easily my most favourite troll thing to do in WH space... get a bunch of prospects, and find an occupied WH with an instrumental, and trigger the battleships, then run the gas site.
My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.
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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights Sacred Empire of Ellyssium
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Posted - 2016.09.14 14:58:47 -
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As much as I hate to admit it, I'd have to agree with Jack on this one.
If you're regularly losing ventures you aren't paying attention. Also, if you have an empty pod or plus 2s.... it's like a 10mil loss which you can make up in a 1/2 hour at the most. My point is.. why avoid the gank? |

Petranese
The Knowledge. Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2016.09.14 16:54:56 -
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Noxisia Arkana wrote:As much as I hate to admit it, I'd have to agree with Jack on this one.
If you're regularly losing ventures you aren't paying attention. Also, if you have an empty pod or plus 2s.... it's like a 10mil loss which you can make up in a 1/2 hour at the most. My point is.. why avoid the gank?
I lost few Ventures due to my lack of experience. For example https://zkillboard.com/kill/55371980/
I had shitfit (useless tank, large sig). Bomber that ganked me had pre-scanned site and double scram, no way a venture can escape from that. Extra sig made large difference in damage taken per torpedo.
Venture is also 100% dead when you enter a hole camped by dictor or any sort of bubbles really.
Prospect would laugh at both of these and escape easily. Torpedoes hitting 30m sig moving at 2km/s do like 30 damage, and that's only if he manages to actually scram you, which is much harder due to 4 stabs. With that kind of speed you will outrange him long before he kills you. Also, bubbles and camps are just silly setbacks instead of 100% death
Add double ore hold and higher difficulty to get scanned down...
Now, from economical standpoint:
2x harvester costs 7m+ prototype cloak costs like 1m Full ore hold of C50 gas (which is very common) costs 26m
So, fully fit gas Venture costs at least 7-8m while carrying up to 45m isk (C320). Full fit Prospect costs ~27m, while carrying gas worth up to 90m
Your argument would be good if you applied it to something else, such as Exhumers. Using 200m ship for mining 10m/h vs using 28m ship for mining 50m/h is huge difference.
And why avoid gank? To maximize profits, to not get frustrated because you died to first person who saw you on dscan. I fing actively avoiding ganks much more fun than undocking venture after venture just to die
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Raker Plaude
Australian Belt Strippers Apocalypse Now.
6
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Posted - 2016.09.14 22:55:03 -
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Petranese wrote:Awesome tips
Thanks for the information, that was some useful tips!
I started a couple of days ago but was unlucky enough to not find any gas sites in the two holes that I had time to duck into and scan out. I found plenty other wormholes, but wasn't too keen on going through chains just yet!
Thanks again :)
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Yodik
Dwarfed ORE
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Posted - 2016.09.15 03:42:52 -
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All genius is simple
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