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Arahantius Detache Arahantius Detache Corporation 0	Posted - 2016.09.06 04:51:20 - [1] - Quote I keep seeing the term carebear being used which I find odd as it is being used in a derogatory manner obviously. I asked on local about the meaning and got 2 answers: 1. A person who stays in Highsec. 2. A person who avoids PVP. If option 1 applys, why is a person who stays in highsec considered a carebear since its obvious that alone they will be ganked EVERY time they enter low security areas. Is it a hate by social people against those who prefer to work alone? If option 2 applys, why is a person who avoids PVP considered weak since the game mechanics clearly allow a solo player to be overwhelmed by sheer numbers of gangs. Clearly, every PVP encounter will be a loss no matter how well outfitted a solo player is. Is this really a way for social players to be prejudiced against people who like to be alone? I work alone but I'm far from scared of anything. I've fought all my own battles and never needed aid from some group of people. Hardly a weakness.
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 382	Posted - 2016.09.06 05:06:07 - [2] - Quote No, you won't be sploded every time you wander into lowsec. Some systems (Tama) are seriously good places to get killed. A lot of lowsec places are just dead: count the number of jumps in the last hour on one hand, probe scanner full of anomalies and signatures, nobody else in local for several jumps. Once I chased an escalation a few jumps into low. A confessor showed on dscan, and launched core scanners. I asked him if it was a wormhole (or: I mash dscan, you're not going to surprise me). It soon left, returned, and left a couple of times. I finished the site, got out of there, and looked at his killboard. His buddy liked battleships and could drop a carrier on me if he wanted. I was PvE-fit, so taking the fight wouldn't have been a good idea even if he was alone. A signature :o
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2343	Posted - 2016.09.06 05:51:27 - [3] - Quote It is just a way to justify having contempt for other players, do what I do and snigger at it being used. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 935	Posted - 2016.09.06 06:01:45 - [4] - Quote A lot of it is also the PvPers fears of the reality they themselves are carebears as well. Often times the hardcore "I never PvE player" has numerous PvE toons to supply them with isk. But if the illusion that they never PvE is given then the PvP player is never in a 'weak' position to be farmed, hunted, etc in return so dont bother trying to find my alts, etc because I dont have any. When in fact they have many and are just as weak and unguarded, if not more, smug in the assurance that you wont make the connections with their other industrial toons to hurt them in the pocket book. But the psych implications are fascinating to say the least yes. Dracs got a very good idea of what carebearism really is. Its like the Eve idea of racism and segregation all rolled into one really. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Blade Darth Room for Improvement Limited Expectations 55	Posted - 2016.09.06 06:21:47 - [5] - Quote 3. a person that doesn't avoid pvp even though ship fit is pve Why do you bother what others think if you prefer play solo There are more carebears in nullsec than in high, trust me, I'm one. There are even wormhole bears. Solo pvp exists, as long as you consider flying with a link alt "solo". True solo is doable too. Fit makes a big difference and I'm not talking about how much isk you throw at it, I mean the actual module types. 2b s**tfit is gonna perform worse than a proper 100m fit. Engagement choice is also very important, you don't HAVE to take every fight (most of the time). It's actually really, really hard to kill someone who does not want to engage (and has proper fit). Those battles you fought were not in eve, were they? Or using an alt to lurk on forums mr. not scared of anything? ps. autism prince 2012 has good solo tutorials for throwaway t1 frigs (lots of fun for cheap) - https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos
Arahantius Detache Arahantius Detache Corporation 0	Posted - 2016.09.06 06:30:03 - [6] - Quote Blade Darth wrote: Those battles you fought were not in eve, were they? Or using an alt to lurk on forums mr. not scared of anything? ps. autism prince 2012 has good solo tutorials for throwaway t1 frigs (lots of fun for cheap) - https://www.youtube.com/user/eveiseasy/videos Lol , no. All the battles I spoke of were in RL. I'm a fiercely independant Asperger dude and can hold my own regardless of consequence. A violent childhood cures fear Good question though.
FT Cold R3d Fire Mouth Trumpet Cavalry 81	Posted - 2016.09.06 07:06:13 - [7] - Quote Solo pvp is much harder than it was years ago, but I wouldn't say it's always a loss. You still get wins, and it's still pretty rewarding.
roberts dragon The Scope Gallente Federation 20	Posted - 2016.09.06 07:28:43 - [8] - Quote most hide behind a pc and would not dare say something to you face , do as you wish you pay for it for that pleasure
Arkoth 24 Phayder 294	Posted - 2016.09.06 07:40:22 - [9] - Quote TL;DR: I'm a carebear 'cause there's a Big Scary Wolf at my door. Totally not my fault. You're evil and stupid if you don't understand. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 2668	Posted - 2016.09.06 08:11:36 - [10] - Quote Arahantius Detache wrote: I work alone but I'm far from scared of anything. I've fought all my own battles and never needed aid from some group of people. Hardly a weakness. You are not a carebear, at least as I use the term. Neither are players that fall into your two categories. Many players never or rarely leave highsec but engage in all manner of PvP, while most players try to avoid PvP at some point, usually when they are at a great disadvantage as any rational Eve player would do. A carebear is someone who rejects the premise that they can be interacted with against their will. They don't accept that it is part of the game for another player to attack them against their will and don't think they should have to adjust their game play to account for this possibility. They whine, agitate and propose ideas that would make them 100% safe in a game that has been specifically engineered so that you feel, and actually are, unsafe at all times. A miner who tanks their ship, pays attention, or even ventures into dangerous space to ninja resources is not a carebear despite the fact they try to avoid every fight. A missioner who exclusively flies PvE fits to engage in PvE with the full understanding they are a potential target is not a carebear. These players accept the fact they are content and while they'll might not like getting exploded, understand that is part of the game. They are important and valuable Eve players. A carebear rejects this and feels entitled to complete safety in whatever they do. They use terms like 'blobber', 'ganker', 'unfair' or 'exploit' when they lose a ship (despite that being really the whole point of the game). They moan that they are special and should be allowed to grind or build safe from those nasty "griefers" who just want to ruin their fun. They have no problem interacting with and influencing our shared universe when it is on their terms and they have something to gain, but don't accept that that same shared universe occasionally will come a-calling and interact with them without their permission. In short, carebears are selfish players whose demands, if met, would smother Eve in a blanked of safety and prevent the player-player interaction the game is built on. If they got their way Eve would die a quick death and thus their self-entitled whining should be firmly met with a rational explanation of how Eve Online works out of game, or with blasters/missiles in-game. They need to be reminded to 'HTFU' and play Eve as the competitive, single-shard PvP game it was built as, not some single-player FarmVille-in-space clone. Now all that said, many players just throw the term around as a derogatory slur. Eve players love to call each other all manner of insults so I wouldn't try to infer too much about the definition of word used in such a manner. The 8 Golden Rules of Eve Why Do They Gank?
mrjknyazev MamenkinbI CbInki Space Marines. 7	Posted - 2016.09.06 08:28:06 - [11] - Quote Karen, I'm ~~Daredevil~~ Carebear.
Do Little Virgin Plc Evictus. 375	Posted - 2016.09.06 08:39:34 - [12] - Quote The term carebear is not unique to Eve. It seems to date back to Ultima Online which had separate areas on the servers for PvE and PvP. In Eve you are competing with other players whatever you do - the value of the ore you mine and the loot you collect in missions depends on the action of other players competing in the same market. That is the essential nature of a sandbox. We don't have segregated areas for PvP and PvE. Even in high security space you are subject to wars and gankers. One of the balance points in the game is risk vs reward. Safe activities don't pay very well, mostly because they attract a lot of players which leads to an oversupply on the market and drives the price down. Some people like to make stuff, some like to blow it up. An economy where most items are made by players and nothing wears out or goes obsolete needs both.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 444	Posted - 2016.09.06 09:17:59 - [13] - Quote I only tend to call people carebears, when they tell me to die of cancer or some other ****. When they get so mad, it's pretty obvious they are way too attached to their space pixels. Thus making them a carebear. Also, I'd take being called a carebear any day, compared to the amount of profanities carebears call people that blow up their stuff.
Infinity Ziona Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 2443	Posted - 2016.09.06 10:06:23 - [14] - Quote Arahantius Detache wrote: I keep seeing the term carebear being used which I find odd as it is being used in a derogatory manner obviously. I asked on local about the meaning and got 2 answers: 1. A person who stays in Highsec. 2. A person who avoids PVP. If option 1 applys, why is a person who stays in highsec considered a carebear since its obvious that alone they will be ganked EVERY time they enter low security areas. Is it a hate by social people against those who prefer to work alone? If option 2 applys, why is a person who avoids PVP considered weak since the game mechanics clearly allow a solo player to be overwhelmed by sheer numbers of gangs. Clearly, every PVP encounter will be a loss no matter how well outfitted a solo player is. Is this really a way for social players to be prejudiced against people who like to be alone? I work alone but I'm far from scared of anything. I've fought all my own battles and never needed aid from some group of people. Hardly a weakness. BTW this is a psychological phenomena called othering used by primitive humans: https://therearenoothers.wordpress.com/2011/12/28/othering-101-what-is-othering/ Just for those interested in human behaviour The truth is everyone has a bit of carebear in them. Take a look at your F10 key, set it to show pirate ships killed in last 24 hours and look out at nullsec. You'll see a bunch of gleaming stars, go to one of those systems and you'll usually find from 5 to sometimes 50 bubbles on the gate, once you get past those you'll find a whole bunch of people, actually you won't, you'll see a whole bunch of people in local but they're all docked up hiding, you'll find a cynosaural inhibitor as well. If you hang around for a while you'll see that nobody will come out to fight you unless they first gather a small sized navy flottilla for your one ship and then they'll all kill you with as much prejudice as possible, jams, scrams, nuets, webs, anything and everything they could possible throw at you. They're as much carebear as anyone else, this applies to 99% of the EvE population imo, I rarely ever find someone confident enough to undock alone or even in duo. CCP Fozzie GÇ£We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGÇª in null sec anomalies. GÇ£* Kaalrus pwned..... :)
The Golden Serpent The Abrahadabra Institute 168	Posted - 2016.09.06 10:15:58 - [15] - Quote I don't think null is all that bad solo. I do it all the time. I play this game two ways: fleets or boring missions for pirates in nullsec (because they are more dangerous and it is the most difficult rep to grind) and right now I have no corp. I would not enjoy staying in highsec. Those that do are carebears. I do not think about them much I don't think they affect me or my play enjoyment. But some people project onto these people and resent them because their lives are bad or their Eve playtime has gone sour. Sometimes people are just being playful and joking that they hate carebears or whatever. It's nothing to lose sleep over. If your playstyle is fun that is all that matters. PS I don't agree that anyone roaming null without looking for PvP is a carebear. If you are good at surviving, you are a viable animal, not a bear. Bears are also terrible creatures irl have you ever looked at them? Really ugly, dumb as a walnut and they have beady eyes. There is an ecosystem to Eve and even if you are mining in a cloaky ship in null to me that is not a carebear that is someone willing to play the game of survival.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 15537	Posted - 2016.09.06 10:30:18 - [16] - Quote King of Carebears reporting in! /c GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Solecist Project 33020	Posted - 2016.09.06 10:39:20 - [17] - Quote Chribba wrote: King of Carebears reporting in! /c You're not a carebear. A carebear is a self-righteous psychopath who can't deal with having his escapist realitybubble popped. A poor sob who flees from reality to ide tify with a videogame character that is - as they perceive it - a hero/important/someone who has a say, while at the same time having nothing to back it up besides words. This thread is ridiculous. That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Dibz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 121	Posted - 2016.09.06 10:40:56 - [18] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: A carebear is someone who rejects the premise that they can be interacted with against their will. I like this.
Major Trant Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1524	Posted - 2016.09.06 10:41:07 - [19] - Quote Using the word Carebear in a derogotory manner, makes you sound tough and leet at PvP or so the people that use it in that manner seem to think.
Serene Repose 2904	Posted - 2016.09.06 10:53:38 - [20] - Quote You are seeing the lowbrow eventuality our culture has come to where there are vapid, but vitriolic people who just can't live and let live. They see someone different, bellow that the world is supposed to operate according to their own preferences, and for the different to become like them or they'll be verbally abusive, and attempt to use force (if possible) to "make" people do things the way they do. Here, we're infested with people who (believed an ill-considered statement by a CCP official) insist EVE is only PvP, and therefore anyone not playing EVE as they do should be forced to. Until that happens, they heap derision on those people who are different. The term "carebear" came into being as a derogatory appellation. (Funny they don't have a corresponding word for themselves. Allow me: Sociopaths.) This even though a visit to this time-honored and well known website - EVE - Survival: Mission Reports amply demonstrates that not only is there a wealth of PvE content in EVE, the PvE content actually threatens to swamp these self-proclaimed "real EVE players" of PvP. However, along with the vitriolic name-calling (guaranteed to get threads locked here) comes a "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made-up" attitude that beggars belief...that is unless you're aware of this sort of person (who also decorate our daily lives with their form of "manners".) I wouldn't trouble myself with them. They are no more than would be a fart in an elevator. Something to be endured until the car reaches your floor. Though, I'm sure they themselves relish the scent and will have no compunction about proving so in this thread you started...which is really about them. We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Elenahina Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 1153	Posted - 2016.09.06 11:03:16 - [21] - Quote In Eve parlance, a carebear is someone who rejects the idea of PvP, not someone who takes steps to avoid someone else violencing their boat. Heck, I take steps to avoid losing my ships every time I undock to go violence someone else's boat. The carebear is a player that feels they should be left alone to play a single person game in an MMO environment. The player that feels entitled to not be attacked. That feels that they, because of their inherent special snowflakiness, should be free from any interaction they did not specifically agree to ahead of time. The player who would click the "No PVP for me!" flag, if one existed. The player that takes no steps to protect themselves or their assets because they don't think they should have to. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 942	Posted - 2016.09.06 11:10:02 - [22] - Quote Chribba wrote: King of Carebears reporting in! /c Chribba I am waiting for the day that you reveal you were like James 315 or something, some riotous pirate yarrbear that terrorized Eve, founder of m0o or something like this. It would just make me laugh and laugh till I cried. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Infinity Ziona Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 2445	Posted - 2016.09.06 11:19:12 - [23] - Quote Elenahina wrote: In Eve parlance, a carebear is someone who rejects the idea of PvP, not someone who takes steps to avoid someone else violencing their boat. Heck, I take steps to avoid losing my ships every time I undock to go violence someone else's boat. The carebear is a player that feels they should be left alone to play a single person game in an MMO environment. The player that feels entitled to not be attacked. That feels that they, because of their inherent special snowflakiness, should be free from any interaction they did not specifically agree to ahead of time. The player who would click the "No PVP for me!" flag, if one existed. The player that takes no steps to protect themselves or their assets because they don't think they should have to. Nope its someone who is completely risk averse. They CARE too much about losing, killboards, isk, epeen. They will dock up and hide unless they're guaranteed a win, they don't like Player vs Player, they like Player vs Impossible to Hurt Them Object. This is the true EvE carebear. It refers to a soft cuddly bear that doesn't like to be violenced. Has nothing to do with solo play at all. I have pirated players in low sec, ganked newbies in wars, started an alliance in highsec to violence everyones boats, scammed people out of isk, smartbombed explorers in cloaky Rokhs... suicided barges when they first came out, twice to see what it was like. I refuse to do carebear shite though, never used the lofty scam, never exploited exploitable but legal bugs, never suicided as a profession, won't fly svipul.... They're carebear things because they avoid consequences or they avoid risk. That's the definition of carebear, obsession with avoiding risk. CCP Fozzie GÇ£We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGÇª in null sec anomalies. GÇ£* Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Solecist Project 33023	Posted - 2016.09.06 11:24:52 - [24] - Quote IZ is a SJW. That confirms it. That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Infinity Ziona Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 2445	Posted - 2016.09.06 11:42:09 - [25] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: IZ is a SJW. That confirms it. 100%. Anyone who isn't needs to be exterminated. But actually, I was last week on the news here in Australia doing some SJW'ing in regards to Asbestos, apparantly I'm a whistleblowing SJW. CCP Fozzie GÇ£We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGÇª in null sec anomalies. GÇ£* Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Solecist Project 33038	Posted - 2016.09.06 12:08:50 - [26] - Quote A SJW is a person who, besides other things, turns definitions upside down to make them suit. You're not a carebear, though, you simply share typical traits. Like hypocrazy. To make this understandable: SJW are incredibly racist, yet turn it around claiming those they are racist against are the racist ones. A move shared with politicians. And someone trying to support movements against Asbestos doesn't need to be a SJW. That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14625	Posted - 2016.09.06 12:14:13 - [27] - Quote mrjknyazev wrote: Karen, I'm ~~Daredevil~~ Carebear. I use the term "DareBear" also 3 days ago I killed a Stratios that dared to wonder into my Anaomly with my navy vexor. he won't be doing that again for a while. I DARE you to come between me and my next Shekel.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14626	Posted - 2016.09.06 12:26:37 - [28] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: You are seeing the lowbrow eventuality our culture has come to where there are vapid, but vitriolic people who just can't live and let live. They see someone different, bellow that the world is supposed to operate according to their own preferences, and for the different to become like them or they'll be verbally abusive, and attempt to use force (if possible) to "make" people do things the way they do. Here, we're infested with people who (believed an ill-considered statement by a CCP official) insist EVE is only PvP, and therefore anyone not playing EVE as they do should be forced to. Until that happens, they heap derision on those people who are different. The term "carebear" came into being as a derogatory appellation. (Funny they don't have a corresponding word for themselves. Allow me: Sociopaths.) This even though a visit to this time-honored and well known website - EVE - Survival: Mission Reports amply demonstrates that not only is there a wealth of PvE content in EVE, the PvE content actually threatens to swamp these self-proclaimed "real EVE players" of PvP. However, along with the vitriolic name-calling (guaranteed to get threads locked here) comes a "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made-up" attitude that beggars belief...that is unless you're aware of this sort of person (who also decorate our daily lives with their form of "manners".) I wouldn't trouble myself with them. They are no more than would be a fart in an elevator. Something to be endured until the car reaches your floor. Though, I'm sure they themselves relish the scent and will have no compunction about proving so in this thread you started...which is really about them. This is wrong. It's a view held only by people who have a too narrow definition of "PVP" ie "pvp is blowing ships up". Blowing ships up is only a direct for of pvp, but essentially everything we do that gains us something over other players is pvp. The real 'carebear' is the person who feels like the game owes them not only safety, but a guaranteed good time. They reject the very idea that other people exist, and they choose to play a game where other people can gain enjoyment at the cost of their own. The real name of the game in EVE is to prevent others from enjoying the game at the cost of your own enjoyment. This isn't telling people how to play (the carebear ALWAYS defaults to the self serving lie of 'you just want to make me play like you') this is telling people the reality of the game. No different than most real life games. Like how in soccer your entire mission is to not only score goals, but prevent the other side from scoring too. The standard carebear answer to what I've said above is: "But CCP should make a game we can all enjoy". That's crazy, what makes eve special is the fact that we all affect each other with the things we do, and in that kind of environment, someone is going to lose sometime.
Solecist Project 33038	Posted - 2016.09.06 12:34:26 - [29] - Quote Everyone vs. Everyone. The point is the opposite of all the other games out there. That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Brokk Witgenstein Extreme Agony 719	Posted - 2016.09.06 13:08:03 - [30] - Quote By my definition, a carebear is someone who expects 'others' to provide for their safety. Not all PvEers, miners, haulers or highsec dwellers are carebears. Not all PvPers are not-carebears. There are however some stereotypes that hold true: those looking to maximize rewards yet can't be bothered to pay attention or lift a finger in self defense; those who never provide content and expect content to be handed on a silver platter ... browse the forums long enough and you'll find no shortage of people calling X 'unfair' and demand a nerf while counters to X already exist. Several species are known to man. - AFKbear. Seeks richess without actually doing anything. - Nullbear (AFKbear operating in nullsec). - Concordbear (akin to nullbear, but in highsec). Concord being part of highsec mechanics is one thing, counting on it as your only line of defense is another. - Hubbears (looking for green killboards on undocks, but never ever take a real fight. Dares not leave the docking ring). - Cloakbear (is perpetually looking for easy targets to hotdrop, yet again never looking for a fight. Dares not show himself). - Campbear (sits on a gate 24/7 as part of a fleet but actually contributes nothing and runs at the first sign of trouble). - Walletbear (never looks at local nor the overview) - most common varieties are the Minebear and the FacWarBear. - Strategic Bear (only flies T3 cloaky and nullified ships) - standard configurations include ExplorationBear and OffgridLinkBear. - NPC Bear (sits nice and cozy in NPC corps). - Cheap-o-bear (contributes at most 8 mil to any fleet). We see for example GankBear, MaulusBear and WhorePainterBear. Even though they fully expect to lose their vessels, the safety measures are actually taken even before undocking, simply by putting nothing of value on the line. They literally can't lose. Their killboards are stuffed to the brim with capital ships for nigh-100% efficiency. Many more exist, but I think this adequately paints the picture.

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