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Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.09.06 06:53:55 - [1] - Quote Hello! Had some questions for more experienced pilots out there (which were probably asked more than million times, umm, well). I've recently got a Heron frigate, glanced through fitting setups suggested by the EveUni and noticed that no exploration fittings have weapons. So Heron isn't suitable for at least hishsec combat exploration at all? I was thinking, maybe go with two drones and ~~a missile launcher~~ something in the high slot, is that feasible? If no and I better use a combat-oriented vessel, what's your opinion, shall I either create another pilot and make him take military career, or can the current one train military? He is now pretty deep in mining, processing and exploration but can take some shooting lessons. Finally, more general one: what do you think, is solo mining a good idea? I was thinking of doing maybe gas mining/wormhole exploration. I'm not talking about the money, since there are not many things to spend them on, but about fun! Thanks in advance for your time and replies!
Tao Dolcino EVE University Ivy League 604	Posted - 2016.09.06 07:19:53 - [2] - Quote The fit on Uniwiki is for relic/data sites, where you don't need weapons. If you really want to do the combat sites, there are two solutions : you can have an alt scouting and scanning, and another one piloting a combat ship, or you can have all the SP on one char and use for example a MTU to reship between scanning fit and fighting fit. For my part i don't like to scatter the SP between alts. If i was you, i would for now focus on relic/datas sites in a cheap heron, i would learn to fly in wilder areas such as low/null/wormspace, until i have enough SP/ISK to fly something with more teeth, but more expensive, such as an astero.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17915	Posted - 2016.09.06 07:28:27 - [3] - Quote Arming a heron is sort of like taping a gun to a skittish puppy, dangerouss to fly with. That didn't make any sense but I haven't had coffee yet so **** it I'm going to go with it. As mentioned , for data and or relic sight's you don't need guns, for combat exploration you're going to be considerably better off 8n a ship that takes a combat fitting well (hint: this is not the heron) and Specifically fit for purpose. =]\|[=
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1733	Posted - 2016.09.06 07:55:11 - [4] - Quote Although the frigates can actually get some respectable dps and tank there's something in eve that you should learn sooner rather than later and that is you should fit a ship to do one thing and do it well and not try and do everything in one ship. Combat exploration is ok in high sec but obviously there's lots of competition. New players have taken to going into wormholes and deep null to get dank loots with throwaway frigates and I thoroughly encourage this behaviour
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.09.06 09:42:07 - [5] - Quote Tao Dolcino wrote: For my part i don't like to scatter the SP between alts. Yeah, me too. Quote: something with more teeth, but more expensive, such as an astero. Wow, that's a beauty. Stratios looks great too, I'll work towards getting one of them then, thanks for the tip! Quote: Arming a heron is sort of like taping a gun to a skittish puppy, dangerouss to fly with. Thanks for a vivid example, got your hint.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1611	Posted - 2016.09.06 10:46:12 - [6] - Quote Richard Law wrote: Finally, more general one: what do you think, is solo mining a good idea? This is an MMO. I don't think that aiming for a career of only solo anything is a good idea. That being said this is a game and it's all about what's fun for you. I knew someone that worked from home and would mine during the day while working. It helped him keep his sanity. So in that sense I guess it was more like therapy than game play. If you enjoy mining then keep doing it. My opinion on the matter is that if you are only solo ore mining in high sec then this game will get boring rather rapidly. But the same could probably be said about any one thing in this game. If you are starting out with the idea of trying out exploration and mining gas sites in wormholes and are willing to try out new stuff from time to time then you'll probably have fun in this game. Of course everyone is different and you'll have to figure this out for yourself. My best advice would be to not lock yourself into any one type of gameplay. I did that with my original "main" and ruined the character. I had an alt that just trained whatever I wanted and she became ( and to this day still is ) my main. Your playstyle will change a lot especially over your first year of playing this game. If you lock yourself into any one playstyle then IMHO you will wind up wanting to try something different and regret having locked yourself into that one thing. TL;dr Keep in general, try everything, do more of what you enjoy.
Memphis Baas 1982	Posted - 2016.09.06 11:53:05 - [7] - Quote Ships in EVE are tools to be used for specific purposes, and often the purpose is very very specific. There's no one ship that can do everything. Frigates in general are versatile, but you still have to sacrifice something in order to make the frigate work at the task you want it for. Most of us use the Heron's bonuses to probe things out, then bookmark the location from the probe results window (instead of just going there), go to station, jump in a combat ship, then go to the bookmark and have at it. Then we often dock back at station, jump in a destroyer full of salvagers, and have at the wrecks. You can train multiple ships per character, which means you can use multiple ships. You're not stuck in the Heron.
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.09.06 12:59:36 - [8] - Quote Mehttps://forums.eveonline.com/themes/ccpEveOnline/pix-trans.pngmphis Baas wrote: You can train multiple ships per character, which means you can use multiple ships. You're not stuck in the Heron. I read somewhere that in order to achieve something in EVE you have to train your character in one area. So I figured, if current one specialized in exploration, then can't make a fighter out of him. Thanks for the replies, everyone, I now see how I shall proceed. Quote: I had an alt that just trained whatever I wanted That's what I wanted to hear!
Linus Gorp Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker 495	Posted - 2016.09.06 13:09:18 - [9] - Quote Tao Dolcino wrote: MTU to reship between scanning fit and fighting fit. What is this space magic? When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2827	Posted - 2016.09.06 13:21:47 - [10] - Quote Just want to mark that the Heron can be a remarkable PvP boat with the right fit and unaware opponents ... ... and yes, one char is enough to do almost everything in EvE, just train the skills, choose the right tool/ship and start doing it ... I'm my own NPC alt.

Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1029	Posted - 2016.09.06 13:36:20 - [11] - Quote Ok, I'm going to contradict Tsukino a little bit. It is possible to fit a generalist ship in exploration, or at least a ship that does a few things well, not just one thing. The most versatile ships in Eve are drone ships. There is a reason that SOE ships are drone ships. With them you can generally be pretty decent at two things. Ralph mentioned the Astero, but I just wanted to call some attention to drone ships in general as a viable multi-tasking platform for exploration. Quote: So Heron isn't suitable for at least hishsec combat exploration at all? I was thinking, maybe go with two drones and a missile launcher something in the high slot, is that feasible? Evemon is showing the heron as having 15/mBps drone bandwith so it could drop 3 drones not two always drop the max flight. Don't bother with a weapon in high. Here's why. When you fly a drone frigate in a combat mission you you don't fight toe-to-toe. Go in, get aggro, drop your drones, and then range tank. As a frigate, drones operate well outside any frigate's range. So you can have a couple hundred frigates all shooting at you and it doesn't matter because they have a max range of maybe 15k and you're sitting at 40k watching your drones eat them alive. Calling the drones back in when the rats retarget will add to your encounter time. This strategy will work in high and low, but not null or wh where the rats are smarter. I used to do combat explo in lowsec in a tristan when I felt cheap and then an ishkur and that was my main strategy. But this should work in the racial exploration frigates too just a little slower. Another option is the drone dessys, drone cruisers, then drone BCs. Eventually, the SOE ships, or the T3 ships are your goal ships for combat exploration. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Tao Dolcino EVE University Ivy League 604	Posted - 2016.09.06 13:59:34 - [12] - Quote Linus Gorp wrote: Tao Dolcino wrote: MTU to reship between scanning fit and fighting fit. What is this space magic? Ah sorry, i meant a mobile depot
Tao Dolcino EVE University Ivy League 604	Posted - 2016.09.06 14:16:07 - [13] - Quote Richard Law wrote: I read somewhere that in order to achieve something in EVE you have to train your character in one area. So I figured, if current one specialized in exploration, then can't make a fighter out of him. This is both right and wrong, it's a question of complementarity : For example, i would not recommand to make a character both industrialist/trader also and fighter, because the skills needed are very different, and the situations are very different too. But explo and fighting are working hand in hand. Another classical question we get is : I do some PvE, should i train another alt for the PvP ? The answer is usually no : you use almost the same skills. Again, they are complementary. If you stay a bit longer in EVE, you will see that, soon enough, you will have enough SP to train a solo PvE fighter/explorer/scout/solo PvPer/Fleet pilot/Incursions pilot etc... because the skills are all in the same area and because your knowledge of the mechanisms and situational awareness will be the same useful in all these situations.
Memphis Baas 1982	Posted - 2016.09.06 14:17:56 - [14] - Quote Richard Law wrote: I read somewhere that in order to achieve something in EVE you have to train your character in one area. FAST. If you want to achieve something FAST you have to focus training. Otherwise, given enough time, you can pretty much train everything. This is the trick that EVE uses to let newbies have a chance against veterans. You focus your training and be as good at exploration as any vet. The millions of points that we have trained aren't in exploration; they're in different ships, and we can only fly one ship at a time. In any case, an EVE character is the equivalent of an account-full of characters in other MMOs. There are quite a few skills that are necessary for all characters: we call them Support Skills (Armor, shields, navigation, targeting, engineering, electronics, etc). Also, every character will need some basic abilities, such as trading on the market, contracts, being able to fly the basic industrial to haul junk around (oh there is so much junk).
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 513	Posted - 2016.09.06 14:29:31 - [15] - Quote I don't think there's any harm in not specializing and just training like the ship comand skills to III with the corresponding weapons. That's how I started and got to get a feel for just about everything in the game. My first PVE ship was a Thrasher and I probed using a Heron I think I'm in the minority where I don't really care about being a level V snob. It's far more important to learn the mechanics of the game, the in's and out's, and I think with your main character it's okay to be a bit broad. You can speclalize later and worry about deciding an alt is better for your main's playstyle or not. Diminishing returns as they say. @lunettelulu7
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2827	Posted - 2016.09.06 14:29:39 - [16] - Quote That reminds me, that I still have billions of random T2 loot drops all across New Eden ... I'm my own NPC alt.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2275	Posted - 2016.09.06 14:47:14 - [17] - Quote Richard Law wrote: Finally, more general one: what do you think, is solo mining a good idea? I was thinking of doing maybe gas mining/wormhole exploration. If you're looking for fun, mining is almost always a poor choice. CCP: Here's a great big universe. go forth, be whatever you want. Miners: I... I want to be a digger. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1745	Posted - 2016.09.06 14:51:46 - [18] - Quote Gas mining can be quite nerve wracking since you're doing it in unknown space where something might just pop out and kill you without any sort of warning of even a 'hello' It is also much more lucrative than mining or if you can find the right gas, this is largely down to luck as well. Unfortunately you get the best out of it if you're actually living inside a wormhole system, day tripping for gas is generally not very profitable
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.09.06 15:26:15 - [19] - Quote Thanks everyone for your detailed replies, you're extremely helpful, I've yet to find such community elsewhere, including my workplace :D SurrenderMonkey wrote: If you're looking for fun, mining is almost always a poor choice. CCP: Here's a great big universe. go forth, be whatever you want. Miners: I... I want to be a digger. Umm yeah, that's why I'm concerned. Almost all other activities require social interaction, I have a very tight schedule and guess would be of little use to alliances and such. Additionally, I'm not that good at interacting with strangers... When I said fun I thought of wormholes exploration combined with gas mining, and maybe some drug manufacturing much much later... I chase them all day, might switch sides for a change.
Memphis Baas 1982	Posted - 2016.09.06 16:27:59 - [20] - Quote We're not all teenagers with no jobs, here. CCP's published average age for EVE Online players was something like 30 years old, a few years ago. We understand the concept of RL time constraints. You should be able to easily find a group of players that's ok with your RL and game limitations, such as they are. If the corp you're in is not ok with it, then it's not a good corp for you. Or a good corp, period.

Tung Yoggi Null Sect 141	Posted - 2016.09.06 16:37:23 - [21] - Quote Battle Heron is a thing, yet it's quite skill intensive since it uses two different weapon systems, maybe not recommended for starters. It works in pvp, it should work in low-end pve (1, 2, even 3/10 maybe?)
Ezin Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2016.09.06 16:59:42 - [22] - Quote think of your heron as a ford fiesta, would you put turret on a fiesta?
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.09.06 18:34:27 - [23] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: We're not all teenagers with no jobs, here. CCP's published average age for EVE Online players was something like 30 years old, a few years ago. Sorry. No offense meant. Yeah, I guess that's why the community here is way better :) Quote: would you put turret on a fiesta? Depends...
Ertur Adestur Hek Xplo Ltd 82	Posted - 2016.09.06 19:04:58 - [24] - Quote Richard Law wrote: Depends... And with that, he became an Eve player.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1612	Posted - 2016.09.07 00:03:34 - [25] - Quote Richard Law wrote: Umm yeah, that's why I'm concerned. Almost all other activities require social interaction, I have a very tight schedule and guess would be of little use to alliances and such. Additionally, I'm not that good at interacting with strangers... Eve is different from other games where guilds or tribes, or whatever the social group in game is called, are looking for "candidates" to fill roles and are looking to find out what you bring to the table. Eve is much more about just having people to do stuff with. That is really all most corps are looking for. You don't need to have a specific skill point level or be able to do something for the corp other than hang out and do stuff with others. As far as not being good at interacting with strangers this game is probably filled with people on the spectrum. I feel very similar to you in that respect. However this is online gaming and if ever you wanted to try out being social here is the place to do it. Worst thing that happens is you don't like it and you log off or leave the corp or whatever. One little side note about the "interview" process in Eve. There are corps that have some hardcore restrictions and requirements for getting into the corp. However typically all of that is to try and weed out spies rather than determine your skill at playing the game.
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 387	Posted - 2016.09.07 11:08:30 - [26] - Quote Gas harvesting, hacking, and archeology all benefit a lot from the tech 2 modules. If you do a lot of that, you really want those skills at V, because the tech 2 modules are that much better. Going from Hacking/Arch IV/Tech 1 to Hacking/Arch V/Tech 2 in wormhole sites meant my failure rate dropped from ~40% to ~2%. A signature :o
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.09.07 12:24:56 - [27] - Quote All good then. I'll look for a friendly corp! And one more question, actually corp-related: I understand there's Concord as a 'federal police', then faction police that can be fought with, but I also heard there're corporations that run their own police and customs. Is that true, by chance?
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17934	Posted - 2016.09.07 13:34:03 - [28] - Quote Richard Law wrote: All good then. I'll look for a friendly corp! And one more question, actually corp-related: I understand there's Concord as a 'federal police', then faction police that can be fought with, but I also heard there're corporations that run their own police and customs. Is that true, by chance? Various groups attempt to impose their will upon highsec, most fail spectacularly. There's a couple of authoritve entitys in highsec or were when I was last actually flying about. The larger Mercenary Alliances would have the manpower and skills but tend not to be arsed unless paid to, Code. Could be arsed but lack the skills and fluctuate in manpower, The anti-ganking community ... Are a laughing stock, In short, yes sort of, but they're trying to impose their will rather than law and order. =]\|[=
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.09.07 13:45:49 - [29] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Various groups attempt to impose their will upon highsec, most fail spectacularly. Actually, I meant "...in null sectors", because I never thought anyone would dare to occupy highs O_o I wonder how they enforce anything, if an unprovoked highsec attack means Concord is going for you. Quote: In short, yes sort of, but they're trying to impose their will rather than law and order. Ain't they all -- L'etat c'est moi, as one of them used to say.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17935	Posted - 2016.09.07 15:46:25 - [30] - Quote Richard Law wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Various groups attempt to impose their will upon highsec, most fail spectacularly. Actually, I meant "...in null sectors", because I never thought anyone would dare to occupy highs O_o I wonder how they enforce anything, if an unprovoked highsec attack means Concord is going for you. Quote: In short, yes sort of, but they're trying to impose their will rather than law and order. Ain't they all -- L'etat c'est moi, as one of them used to say. Ah , null yeah, that's a different story. Yes everything out in null is sorted by "bigger army diplomacy". =]\|[=

Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.09.07 20:44:08 - [31] - Quote Found my first wormhole, went to W-Space and successfully hacked several Gurista data centers. Brought back some loot for several million isk... The only question is how do I sell it? I got Decryptos of several kinds, Caldari datacores and spare parts, and looks like there're no contracts for them... Advice is appreciated!
Persephone Alleile Nocx Initiative Moist. 163	Posted - 2016.09.07 20:49:41 - [32] - Quote Just sell them on the market. Compare prices to see if it's worth filling a buy order or setting up a sell order.
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.09.07 21:03:16 - [33] - Quote Persephone Alleile wrote: Just sell them on the market. Compare prices to see if it's worth filling a buy order or setting up a sell order. Thing is, there are no buying orders at all. Guess those 'estimated prices' don't mean a thing. Well, at least I can but them on the fridge in my ship.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1615	Posted - 2016.09.07 21:37:53 - [34] - Quote Richard Law wrote: All good then. I'll look for a friendly corp! And one more question, actually corp-related: I understand there's Concord as a 'federal police', then faction police that can be fought with, but I also heard there're corporations that run their own police and customs. Is that true, by chance? In the Providence region of null sec you have groups of players that "police" that region of null sec in an attempt to make it similar to highsec with regards to safety. IMHO if you have access to intel channels and use things like "the overlay tool" then Provi can be as safe or safer than high sec but admittedly that is only my opinion.
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1615	Posted - 2016.09.07 21:56:30 - [35] - Quote Richard Law wrote: Actually, I meant "...in null sectors", I probably should have read down before I posted. Cherri Minoa has been known to post in this section of the forums from time to time and she is very active in one of the Sov holding Alliances in null sec. My main is in a corp who's members live in Provi and fly with defense fleets but do no hold sov. There are many was to live in Provi and fly in defense fleets or not. If this is something that you are interested in send me an Eve mail and I'll try to get you in contact with people that can help. However if the original question was just a curiosity then the short answer once again is yes there are player organizations that police null sec and make it safe for anyone willing to play by the rules.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1031	Posted - 2016.09.07 22:18:02 - [36] - Quote Richard Law wrote: Persephone Alleile wrote: Just sell them on the market. Compare prices to see if it's worth filling a buy order or setting up a sell order. Thing is, there are no buying orders at all. Guess those 'estimated prices' don't mean a thing. Well, at least I can but them on the fridge in my ship. Stockpile them at your base of operations. When you have enough to fill a hauler take them to the nearest hub. There sholud be plenty of buy orders there. And no, those estimated prices are only useful if you are in a region with a hub. Everywhere else, they could be very inaccurate, both ways. You can always go to eve-central to got a better idea of the prices to decide what is hauling and what is not. Eve-mogul is even better. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1756	Posted - 2016.09.08 00:50:40 - [37] - Quote There will be buy orders for decryptors for sure. You're probably just looking at the market while in null or wormhole space and the market shifts depending on what region you're in
ergherhdfgh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1617	Posted - 2016.09.08 01:35:48 - [38] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: There will be buy orders for decryptors for sure. You're probably just looking at the market while in null or wormhole space and the market shifts depending on what region you're in This would be my guess. https://eve-central.com/ EVE-Central can help you look up what items are going for at the hubs while you are in a wormhole and have no access to view via the in game market. I do believe that there is an in-game channel for asking other players to price check stuff for you but to me EVE-Central is easier and more reliable as well as more informative.
Memphis Baas 1986	Posted - 2016.09.08 02:00:27 - [39] - Quote Keep in mind that this is a PVP game, and if you carry more in your cargo hold than the cost of the ship required to kill you, Concord or not, you will get attacked. For the typical defenseless industrial (hauler), all it takes is a destroyer or two. Options are: - move the expensive stuff yourself, but in a well tanked ship - use courier contracts to move your stuff, with collateral (so if it's lost you get paid the value anyway) - don't move it and just sell it where you are, at some discounted price (you can set up sales orders from the Advanced sell window)
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1757	Posted - 2016.09.08 02:04:39 - [40] - Quote Exploration loot is so low volume that you can usually haul a few hundred million worth in a covert ops frigate

Tao Dolcino EVE University Ivy League 607	Posted - 2016.09.08 05:25:19 - [41] - Quote To sell exploration loot relatively safely if your corporation is at war : Have a "home" just inside the border of highsec. Bring all your loot there. Create an alt who stays in the NCP corporation. Contract your loot to your alt. Give your alt a fast T1 frigate he can fly and fill it with exploration loot. Travel to the main trade hub of your choice. Make a insta-dock bookmark on the trade hub station, as well as an insta-undock one. This solution is not 100% safe, nothing is in EVE, but it limits the risks.
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.09.08 08:04:43 - [42] - Quote Iria Ahrens wrote: When you have enough to fill a hauler take them to the nearest hub. Filling a hauler with explo loot at my rate will take some months I believe :D I actually looked for the orders in a 1.0 system (the exit WH lead me to one of Amarr' sectors), but I apparently did something wrong, I see now in Eve-Central (thanks for pointing this thing out!) that there are buy orders... And that the difference between sell and buy orders is ~300k, I wonder if anyone buys from them. Quote: Keep in mind that this is a PVP game, and if you carry more in your cargo hold than the cost of the ship required to kill you, Concord or not, you will get attacked. I'll keep that in mind. I think I'll use my frigate with cloak though, it's not like there is a lot to haul...
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1765	Posted - 2016.09.08 08:09:45 - [43] - Quote Personally I never sell to buy orders unless the value of the stack is under 500k or so or the buy order is within 10% of the closest sell order. A lot of people take advantage of lazy people by setting up really low ball buy orders and sell them off with their own sell orders. If might not he instant isk but I think it's worth the wait.
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1765	Posted - 2016.09.08 08:10:59 - [44] - Quote silly double post
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.09.08 08:29:22 - [45] - Quote I have to admit that's far more interesting than typical NPC looting and dealing stuff to NPC traders for a fixed price. Obtain the goods, locate the buyer, deliver the cargo safe, just like IRL. Thank god there's no fuel in the game.
Tao Dolcino EVE University Ivy League 608	Posted - 2016.09.08 10:56:58 - [46] - Quote Richard Law wrote: Thank god there's no fuel in the game. There is. Not for your average ship, but later you'll see that some specific things need fuel ;)
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1768	Posted - 2016.09.08 11:22:08 - [47] - Quote There's no magical universal bank either that somehow has all your stuff even if you deposited it half a world away :p
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.09.08 11:33:10 - [48] - Quote Tsukino Stareine wrote: There's no magical universal bank either that somehow has all your stuff even if you deposited it half a world away :p Hey, I'm not complaining. This way Jita is a major trading hub not because the Devs decided to make it one but because the pilots chose so, and it's cool. However... Is there price inflation? And do Eve corps issue shares? That might be fun to play with :D
Tsukino Stareine Art Of Explosions 404 Hole Not Found 1769	Posted - 2016.09.08 11:35:00 - [49] - Quote Inflation is a thing, plex used to hover around 500m in 2012 and now it sits near 1BIL
Richard Law School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.09.08 12:32:58 - [50] - Quote Tao Dolcino wrote: Richard Law wrote: Thank god there's no fuel in the game. some specific things need fuel ;) Really? Please elaborate :D You mean, like solid structures and such? Quote: Inflation is a thing, plex used to hover around 500m in 2012 and now it sits near 1BIL Then there gotta be a location where capsuleers could sit and grumble about the government! Oh wait that's the forum.

Memphis Baas 1988	Posted - 2016.09.08 13:51:59 - [51] - Quote Jump-capable ships require fuel to jump to a destination cyno beacon (instead of going through the gates, which is quite risky). Player-owned starbases (POS'es) need fuel to operate. Capital ships need fuel to activate their "siege" module. And if you extend the concept of "fuel", ships need ammo, spare missiles, capacitor charges, nanite paste, and other various consumables in order to function properly in combat.
Varcutii Renalard 56	Posted - 2016.09.08 14:59:14 - [52] - Quote Ezin wrote: think of your heron as a ford fiesta, would you put turret on a fiesta? Yes. Absolutely. Technicals are the best when they're sleepers too!


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