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Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 279	Posted - 2016.09.09 07:06:40 - [1] - Quote Plexing does not count twords being subscribed? I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account? I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 217	Posted - 2016.09.09 07:35:11 - [2] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: Plexing does not count twords being subscribed? I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account? I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex. Sorry, for the harsh answer, but I think it is justified. Funny wording. You think us who subscribe, are not clever enough to plex? we are though, we just chose not to. Lets be honest it does not require that much to get the ~1bill a month. That does not require cleverness but just that you have time to grind, so get over yourself. CCP makes many events rewarding those with time to grind. Now you are annoyed that they want to reward to players who are loyal, but might not have the time to grind. With all due respect, you sound like a spoiled brat, sir. Like you playing EVE without paying is not reward enough in itself? Entitlement removes the illusion of the very trait you claim to have, cleverness. I am fine with CCP rewarding all their player types. You don't see me ***** moan about the grindy events, how unfair it is to the people with no time, and they should make the reward available to me. In life you don't everything, now would be a good time to learn to deal with this. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 279	Posted - 2016.09.09 07:42:58 - [3] - Quote Clever, because I don't grind. I never ment to offend the subscribers, however my my plexing generates the same revenue for the company. So I do feel equally entitled to the reward
Demolishar United Aggression 1155	Posted - 2016.09.09 07:47:27 - [4] - Quote What's all this about?
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 279	Posted - 2016.09.09 07:49:55 - [5] - Quote Check your email
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 217	Posted - 2016.09.09 07:59:06 - [6] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: Clever, because I don't grind. I never ment to offend the subscribers, however my my plexing generates the same revenue for the company as a subscriber. So I do feel equally entitled to the reward Just a heads up, using words like clever about yourself, can make you look arrogant, and modify the tone of the responses yout get. Don't turn a nice gesture from CCP wanting to reward a subscribers (Which many games do tbh.) into something ugly just because you don't get it. That is selfish. You know one can enjoy CCP doing something for the community without being part of it, right? (Like I have done, with the previous events. I was happy that the little PVE bears got something to enjoy the game with, even if did not apply to me). You should try it, being happy for someone else, it is a nice fuzzy feeling. Don't pee on everyones parade, it is not a colour that suits you. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 217	Posted - 2016.09.09 08:05:00 - [7] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: Plexing does not count twords being subscribed? I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account? I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex. After reading the email, I think you probably overreact. It does not say, plexed accounts are not included specifically, so I think it actually means active accounts, even if they wrote subsription (which plexes also kinda are). You will get your stuff too. But thx for exposing yourself as a petty person. Edit: just went to read more page, and indeed it looks like you are right. I am stil fine with this though. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 280	Posted - 2016.09.09 08:15:46 - [8] - Quote Which was my entire point. Though I was not neutral in my questioning. I wanted to show my stance on the subject as well And I don't see my point as petty I too was happy with the pve awards. Gave something to do to many. But I did t have time to do it either. In that case, you grind for x time and get y reward. In the case of the subscriber rewards, Ccp basically wants x money for y accounts My plex for my accounts is equal revenue for Ccp to someone who has subscribed for that time Both the subscriber and the plexer meet the win condition. Both should be rewarded.
Geronimo McVain McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc 202	Posted - 2016.09.09 08:33:24 - [9] - Quote Check the account/playtime side. It's about a subscription not an active account. You can get a subscription from 16.9 till November you get all of it. I don't link it, because I'm German and to lazy to switch the language.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 15584	Posted - 2016.09.09 08:37:52 - [10] - Quote Who knows what the hell they had in mind. Its always a mess. I never take seriously anything what they like to write there. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ

Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 280	Posted - 2016.09.09 08:48:34 - [11] - Quote guess ill just pony up the 40 just tell me someone gets what I'm saying.
Arianne Kass Garoun Long-Term Capital Management 5	Posted - 2016.09.09 08:52:07 - [12] - Quote Quote: Maintain an active subscription from now until the November expansion and your name will be on the list for the following celebratory gifts I'm reading that as "stay subscribed by either paid subscription or plex", but I could be wrong. No great harm either way.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17947	Posted - 2016.09.09 08:55:30 - [13] - Quote from the page Quote: To celebrate the massive expansion coming this November, we are offering subscribers a collection of loyalty rewards. Subscribe before 16 September 2016 and maintain an active subscription until November to collect them all. The rewards are: Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch. Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches. Rewards will be added to your account in November. Disclaimer Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch. Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches. =]\|[=
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 217	Posted - 2016.09.09 08:58:43 - [14] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: My plex for my accounts is equal revenue for Ccp to someone who has subscribed for that time Both the subscriber and the plexer meet the win condition. Both should be rewarded. No, the guy who bought the PLEX should be rewarded then, not you. CCP wants to reward paying customers, you are not that, no matter what mental gymnastics you do. You are just playing the game, making an insensitive for people to buy PLEX. The market exist so there is no reason to reward people buying PLEX. With the introduction of alpha clones it also make sense they want as many subscribers as possible, as the general amount of plexers might drop. So: you do not create revenue, the guy buying the PLEX does. So stop trying to ruining it for the people who actually had to put up some money. No hands- no cookies, just like it should be in a cuttthroat world. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
oiukhp Muvila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 58	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:00:10 - [15] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: guess ill just pony up the 40 just tell me someone gets what I'm saying. Isn't your account actively subscribed? You know we don't have Alpha Clones yet.
Nam Dnilb Universal Frog 266	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:00:32 - [16] - Quote They want to keep the people who took the 90 Days + 90 Days MCT offer in the summer. This is their leverage I guess. :-)
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 15584	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:07:21 - [17] - Quote Quote: Subscription and payment Account Type Active - Paying with GameTimeCode Current Subscription 30 Days That is what I have on account. I think I will get the rewards. Expires years ahead. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 280	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:12:46 - [18] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Darth Terona wrote: My plex for my accounts is equal revenue for Ccp to someone who has subscribed for that time Both the subscriber and the plexer meet the win condition. Both should be rewarded. No, the guy who bought the PLEX should be rewarded then, not you. CCP wants to reward paying customers, you are not that, no matter what mental gymnastics you do. You are just playing the game, making an insensitive for people to buy PLEX. The market exist so there is no reason to reward people buying PLEX with isk. With the introduction of alpha clones it also make sense they want as many subscribers as possible, as the general amount of plexers might drop. So: you do not create revenue, the guy buying the PLEX does. So stop trying to ruining it for the people who actually had to put up some money. No hands- no cookies, just like it should be in a cuttthroat world. no sir. because of the plexer, that plex has value.. if not for us, the damn thing would be worthless, and no one would pay real money for them.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 218	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:28:54 - [19] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: no sir. because of the plexer, that plex has value.. if not for us, the damn thing would be worthless, and no one would pay real money for them. CCP and I both agree that is not worth a reward being a plex sink. So live with it. You did not loose RL money and does not get the reward. This should not be new to you, as the whole world runs like this. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 280	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:30:15 - [20] - Quote do they? I think they did not consider it either way.

Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 237	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:32:07 - [21] - Quote OP is an Alpha. OP will be the first Alpha to plex. OP is the mass or in other words a pleb. Plebs should know their place. Their place is under the Subscribers\People that pay with real money. Their only role in the game is being the content for Subscribers. No Racism vs Plebs, they are adorable but sometimes they start to riot\cry claiming the same rights as their masters and need to be tamed
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 218	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:32:13 - [22] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: do they? I think they did not consider it. I think they did, and I think you will see more of this in the future to lure people from alpha clones to subscriptions. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 218	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:33:46 - [23] - Quote But we don't agree and go around in circles, so i will go and something more constructive. Good day sir ! "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 280	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:35:44 - [24] - Quote I think if an equality is not drawn between plexers and subscribers, because rather you are too shortsighted to realize it or not, both generate the same revenue, then we will start to see a major downturn in the plex market.
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 280	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:45:16 - [25] - Quote Righto, I can agree to disagree with you sir. :) But I still want a definite answer from ccp one way or the other. and if only subscription counts for the awards, then am I already borked on the next two months since I have 60days of banked plex time?
oiukhp Muvila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 58	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:50:05 - [26] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: Righto, I can agree to disagree with you sir. :) But I still want a definite answer from ccp one way or the other. and if only subscription counts for the awards, then am I already borked on the next two months since I have 60days of banked plex time? File a petition and see what they say.
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 280	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:52:54 - [27] - Quote right.. but surely I'm not the only plexer that wants to know? I'm saving them time by making a post they can easily respond to.
Morrigan Nighe 221	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:57:29 - [28] - Quote EVE Online Account Management wrote: Game time ItGÇÖs common in MMOs for some players to end up with more cash on their characters than they know what to do with. In EVE Online, you can turn that extra ISK into 30 days of game time by purchasing PLEX from other players on the EVE market. PLEX can be found in the market's "Trade Goods" section. To convert your PLEX into game time, right click the PLEX while it is in your hangar, and select GÇ£Activate PLEXGÇ¥ from the pop up menu. A window will show where you can choose between either adding it your accountGÇÖs subscription or to the Multiple Character Training queue. Source It should count as a subscription. It was also said that PLEXed accounts will count towards the Omega clone state and are equal to a subscription in that case. And to the person who thinks the PLEX Buyer should get the reward, the buyer got his reward/value the moment he sold the PLEX for ISK on the market.
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 280	Posted - 2016.09.09 09:59:50 - [29] - Quote thanks for digging this up :)
Lucas Kell Solitude Trading 7836	Posted - 2016.09.09 10:17:57 - [30] - Quote As far as I know CCP have never separated out active subscriptions from PLEX and active subscriptions from cash in thing like this, and I don't imagine they are starting now. I'm certain people subscribing with PLEX will receive the same rewards. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 972	Posted - 2016.09.09 10:23:31 - [31] - Quote Yeah they are limiting some of the items in game. As there has been a HUGE influx of accounts since the skill injectors, just check out eveoffline for the new account spikes which amount to about 15-20K accounts all told, which are all injector farming accounts and are all plexed. Basically CCP is excluding all those style accounts in this offer to limit the rewards which in turn will screw anyone else that plexs their acounts. Everyone that has ever subbed gets the Gnosis skin, so these will be the most prevalent items from the deal, anyone that subs one month at the time of expansion will get the last free ship, the armor set and googles and the gnosis skin, anyone that pays for 3 months will get all of it by my account of the deal. From the way I have gathered it is that CCPs accounting policy is different for recurring subs than for plexs. AFAIK they state the recurring subs as income directly while the plexs income is a bit different as it can be claimed WHEN it is sold OR WHEN it is redeemed for game time. Which allows for a lot of account shenanigans if one wishes based on what is the best accounting policy. Delaying, or defering, income is a common practice for companies. It also likely means CCP wants to bolster its income statements a bit with increased "income", perhaps for a bad quarterly or other such issues. But that is pure speculation on my part there. Ive just seen it on a lot of prospectus' in my days. You would be surpised at all the loopholes in accounting for companies for quarterly or year ends. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Arkoth 24 Phayder 308	Posted - 2016.09.09 10:26:28 - [32] - Quote The only way to clear up this mess is get a respond from CCP itself. Let's hope some ISD-guy will put this topic to their attention. Now i'm confused a bit too. Evelopedia via Wayback Machine \| Open petition against Evelopedia closure
Lan Wang C.Q.B Snuffed Out 3444	Posted - 2016.09.09 10:41:47 - [33] - Quote damn ive always paid a sub for my 2 accounts and just used plex this month as a 1 off :( Loyalist to Angel Cartel Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 281	Posted - 2016.09.09 10:42:02 - [34] - Quote
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14640	Posted - 2016.09.09 12:51:50 - [35] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: from the page Quote: To celebrate the massive expansion coming this November, we are offering subscribers a collection of loyalty rewards. Subscribe before 16 September 2016 and maintain an active subscription until November to collect them all. The rewards are: Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch. Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches. Rewards will be added to your account in November. Disclaimer Three ships available to continuous subscribers from the 16th September 2016 until the expansion launch. Gnosis SKIN, available to all capsuleers who have ever subscribed for at least 1 month at the date of expansion launch Armor suit and goggles set, available to subscribers that have an active plan on the date that the expansion launches. Thanks Ralph. Now to the OP, what part of that says anything about PLEX users? If you are posting here, you are a "subscriber".
Lucas Kell Solitude Trading 7836	Posted - 2016.09.09 12:54:27 - [36] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Basically CCP is excluding all those style accounts in this offer to limit the rewards which in turn will screw anyone else that plexs their acounts. I'm 99% certain this is not the case. They never have split it out like that, and farm accounts aren't a new thing. And they are giving out in-game items, so it really wouldn't be worth the headache from enraged players to limit them anyway, since giving them out to everyone has no real impact. Consider too that if they were to split it out, anyone already plexed past November would be psychically unable to pay their sub, and anyone of an age which restricts access to payment method or in a country that restricts access to payment methods would be unable to participate. I'm not even sure where the confusion came from either, since it only states you need an active subscription, and a plexed account has a subscription status of Active. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Henry Plantgenet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2016.09.09 13:02:48 - [37] - Quote Should the accounting matching principle make the income of plex be counted when the plex is actually used/destroyed?
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1922	Posted - 2016.09.09 13:24:40 - [38] - Quote Sub = 30d PLEX = 30d Sub = PLEX Akrasjel Lanate Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
DaReaper Net 7 Cannon.Fodder 2891	Posted - 2016.09.09 17:27:57 - [39] - Quote A plex is basically the same as paying a month to month subscription. CCP's internal system does;t give a rats ass how you pay for said sub. If you play eve right now, you are subscribed. its that simple. The only way you will not get the rewards, form my understanding, is if you let your subscription lapse (i.e. you don;t pay for it) in anyway. So stop paying with plex, sub lapses. Simple. They have done this for years and i had an account i used to plex for a year till i got tired of wasting the isk and just forked out my cc. it got all the reward my other accounts did, and there was no mention during that time frame of a sub vs plex. A sub is a sub regardless of how you pay for it. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 305	Posted - 2016.09.09 17:41:09 - [40] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: Plexing does not count twords being subscribed? I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account? I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex. I'm clever enough to earn enough to pay a month's subscription in 16 minutes of work IRL. Why would I be dumb enough to plex? Why aren't you more clever? You don't seem clever enough to spell correctly

Lucas Kell Solitude Trading 7840	Posted - 2016.09.09 17:48:07 - [41] - Quote Kek, ignore me. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14647	Posted - 2016.09.09 18:16:54 - [42] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Darth Terona wrote: Plexing does not count twords being subscribed? I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account? I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex. I'm clever enough to earn enough to pay a month's subscription in 16 minutes of work IRL. Why would I be dumb enough to plex? Why aren't you more clever? You don't seem clever enough to spell correctly You're right of course, maybe Darth isn't as clever as he thinks. However, in defense of PLEXing, sure you can do a sub wirth of cash in 16 minutes of working, but can you do it while at home, butt naked, drunk off of cheap malt liquor while listening to Death Metal? If the answer is yes, please PM me an application to your place of work, I'm interested
Shallanna Yassavi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 390	Posted - 2016.09.09 18:19:40 - [43] - Quote F2P entitlement: because making people do stupid silly task for hours and hours for a a crumb makes them feel like they've earned it. A signature :o
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2293	Posted - 2016.09.09 18:26:56 - [44] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: Plexing does not count twords being subscribed? I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account? I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex. You can't be that clever. All the email said was, "Maintain an active subscription" - a criteria which is met by PLEX. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14649	Posted - 2016.09.09 18:31:48 - [45] - Quote This thread is an example of how hysteria happens. Someone reads or hears something, takes it in an out of context way based on a flaw in their personal definition of something (in this case the flawed idea that plexing and subscribing are different), and then blows it up into some horror that it never was. It's kind of funny in the context of a video game forum, till you realize that real life wars have been started from such misunderstandings...
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium 76	Posted - 2016.09.09 20:48:45 - [46] - Quote Going by the email, and the page it links too, it does not look like it will work for plex. The fact that this thread is 3 pages long and a ccp staff member has no doubt read it means that If it was going to apply to plex then a ccp'er would have said so by now.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14652	Posted - 2016.09.09 21:20:05 - [47] - Quote DeODokktor wrote: Going by the email, and the page it links too, it does not look like it will work for plex. The fact that this thread is 3 pages long and a ccp staff member has no doubt read it means that If it was going to apply to plex then a ccp'er would have said so by now. You must be new here lol.
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium 76	Posted - 2016.09.09 21:33:19 - [48] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: DeODokktor wrote: Going by the email, and the page it links too, it does not look like it will work for plex. The fact that this thread is 3 pages long and a ccp staff member has no doubt read it means that If it was going to apply to plex then a ccp'er would have said so by now. You must be new here lol. No.. If it is something customers will like, they reply quick. If it is something customers will NOT like... They seem to never know the thread existed.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 307	Posted - 2016.09.09 22:16:53 - [49] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: You're right of course, maybe Darth isn't as clever as he thinks. However, in defense of PLEXing, sure you can do a sub wirth of cash in 16 minutes of working, but can you do it while at home, butt naked, drunk off of cheap malt liquor while listening to Death Metal? If the answer is yes, please PM me an application to your place of work, I'm interested I have a friend who drinks wine from a thermos while at work, does that count?
Algarion Getz Aideron Corp 209	Posted - 2016.09.09 22:23:34 - [50] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Darth Terona wrote: My plex for my accounts is equal revenue for Ccp to someone who has subscribed for that time Both the subscriber and the plexer meet the win condition. Both should be rewarded. No, the guy who bought the PLEX should be rewarded then, not you. CCP wants to reward paying customers, you are not that, no matter what mental gymnastics you do. You are just playing the game, making an insensitive for people to buy PLEX. The market exist so there is no reason to reward people buying PLEX with isk. With the introduction of alpha clones it also make sense they want as many subscribers as possible, as the general amount of plexers might drop. So: you do not create revenue, the guy buying the PLEX does. So stop trying to ruining it for the people who actually had to put up some money. No hands- no cookies, just like it should be in a cuttthroat world. 1. The guy who consumes (uses) the PLEX generates the revenue. 2. CCP earns more with a PLEX subscription (Gé¼19.95 per month) than with a normal subscription (Gé¼14.95 or Gé¼10.95 per month depending on sub plan). 3. CCP never made a difference between PLEX subs and normal subs AFAIK. Sub is sub.

Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18018	Posted - 2016.09.09 22:53:41 - [51] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: This thread is an example of how hysteria happens. Someone reads or hears something, takes it in an out of context way based on a flaw in their personal definition of something (in this case the flawed idea that plexing and subscribing are different), and then blows it up into some horror that it never was. It's kind of funny in the context of a video game forum, till you realize that real life wars have been started from such misunderstandings... Stop it Jen, they're enjoying themselves. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Serene Repose 2956	Posted - 2016.09.09 23:18:31 - [52] - Quote sero Hita wrote: ...the little PVE bears.... Noblesse oblige being what it is, eh? We must accommodate the idiocracy.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 230	Posted - 2016.09.09 23:42:38 - [53] - Quote You know you are discussing something else than the discussion you are commenting on, right? Algarion Getz wrote: 1. The guy who consumes (uses) the PLEX generates the revenue. Sure. So if I buy 200 PLEX, but don't consume them, just store them CCP makes no revenue, right? I hope you can see how stupid your comment is. As soon as I buy the PLEX CCP makes money, independent of it is consumed or not. A lot of plexes are never consumed, but used as an investment object CCP still gets the money. Algarion Getz wrote: 2. CCP earns more with a PLEX subscription (Gé¼19.95 per month) than with a normal subscription (Gé¼14.95 or Gé¼10.95 per month depending on sub plan). This was never part of the discussion. The discussion is about that he cannot accept that people who gives money directly to CCP gets more than those who do not. Where I say, if it is the case that plexers don't get the reward(I highly doubt this) and if he wants to reward someone, then reward the one who bought the PLEX with real money instead of the guy who uses it. I hope you can see how this is different from the differences in prizes you were posting? Algarion Getz wrote: 3. CCP never made a difference between PLEX subs and normal subs AFAIK. Sub is sub. If you had read anything in this thread, instead of just barging in the end of the thread commenting on something you don't understand the context of, you would know that this is not completely clear. Hence this panic thread about how the OP thinks it is unfair, that those using real money to subscribe with get something he does not when using no money(Again I think plexers will be included as well, but OP does clearly not). Due to the ambiguous wording on the subscription page it is open to interpretation. If plexers are not included I have argued for, I think this is okay if CCP only wants to reward those who have subscriptions, it is their choice. It really annoys me you reply to something, having not understood a minimum of what is being discussed. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 56408	Posted - 2016.09.10 00:20:22 - [54] - Quote I keep seeing people refer to getting an Email from CCP. What Email and why didn't I get one ? DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Serene Repose 2956	Posted - 2016.09.10 00:40:45 - [55] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Account Expires 12 November 2016 - 7:36 pm UTC (in 63 days) Not one for cutting it close, are yah? We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Keebler Wizard Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2016.09.10 00:41:17 - [56] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: As far as I know CCP have never separated out active subscriptions from PLEX and active subscriptions from cash in thing like this, and I don't imagine they are starting now. I'm certain people subscribing with PLEX will receive the same rewards. This. With all the times that CCP has used the term "subscription" it's never been reference to how you pay, either plex or cash. So yea. You overreacted.
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 285	Posted - 2016.09.10 00:45:42 - [57] - Quote I see a plex economics understanding fail in some of the peeps here. Ill say it one last time. people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp. if no one plexed their account, then the plex would be worthless (isk value) in game, and no one would buy the damn things to sell on market. therefore, both parties are generating revenue for ccp. both parties should, and seem to, be getting the rewards for their company loyalty. the reward for those who buy plex to sell, is instant cash in eve without having to grind for it. sure, I get to play the game without paying for it, but my actions drive a demand for a product only obtainable with real money. But I digress. the whole point of this topic, is to ask ccp to be more clear on what subscription methods qualify for the rewards to be given out on the November update.
ACESsiggy Pandemic Horde Inc. 60	Posted - 2016.09.10 01:05:12 - [58] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: Clever, because I don't grind. however my my plexing generates the same revenue for the company as a subscriber LOL GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45052	Posted - 2016.09.10 01:11:38 - [59] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: I keep seeing people refer to getting an Email from CCP. What Email and why didn't I get one ? EDIT : I just checked my account stats. Quote: Account Type Active - Paying with Credit Card Current Subscription 12 Month EVE subscription - Cancelled Account Expires 12 November 2016 - 7:36 pm UTC (in 63 days) I actually plan on buying another 1 yr sub at the start of November. So now I'm wondering if I'll get the rewards as well. DMC As long as you renew before your account switches to inactive, you'll be fine. CCP haven't suddenly changed how they do these things. There's just some weird form of groupthink happening. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 285	Posted - 2016.09.10 01:37:00 - [60] - Quote ACESsiggy wrote: Darth Terona wrote: Clever, because I don't grind. however my my plexing generates the same revenue for the company as a subscriber LOL try harder

Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 309	Posted - 2016.09.10 01:51:33 - [61] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: I see a plex economics understanding fail in some of the peeps here. Ill say it one last time. people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp. if no one plexed their account, then the plex would be worthless (isk value) in game, and no one would buy the damn things to sell on market. therefore, both parties are generating revenue for ccp. both parties should, and seem to, be getting the rewards for their company loyalty. the reward for those who buy plex to sell, is instant cash in eve without having to grind for it. sure, I get to play the game without paying for it, but my actions drive a demand for a product only obtainable with real money. But I digress. the whole point of this topic, is to ask ccp to be more clear on what subscription methods qualify for the rewards to be given out on the November update. Good lord your ego. Give us specifics and we'll stop laughing at you, kid. Better yet, keep it going, you're hilarious to read.
The Golden Serpent The Abrahadabra Institute 173	Posted - 2016.09.10 02:15:17 - [62] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: I keep seeing people refer to getting an Email from CCP. What Email and why didn't I get one ? EDIT : I just checked my account stats. Quote: Account Type Active - Paying with Credit Card Current Subscription 12 Month EVE subscription - Cancelled Account Expires 12 November 2016 - 7:36 pm UTC (in 63 days) I actually plan on buying another 1 yr sub at the start of November. So now I'm wondering if I'll get the rewards as well. DMC I monitor three accounts and the one that is expiring in 3 days is the only one that is getting the email. That may be a coincidence because of my settings but I have noticed in the past if I let my account slip too close to the renewal deadline I start getting notices.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 978	Posted - 2016.09.10 03:50:35 - [63] - Quote Henry Plantgenet wrote: Should the accounting matching principle make the income of plex be counted when the plex is actually used/destroyed? Generally yes this is the case. It can be counted at anytime up to then as well if the company chooses too. Its basically a deferred income. Which is why I salute CCP on PLEX as all the PLEX that is horded when the servers finally crash will never have to be technically officially declared and can be wiped off the books, I know Iceland has some different rules though, and even if they wish to declare it they can against severance packages and other shut down expenses and likely not have to pay any income tax on it. Even though you normally would at some point. @Lucas Kell... I hope youre right/Im wrong too. I just wont get my hopes up at this time. Mostly because the deal is listed specifically on the PAID sub page. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Serene Repose 2957	Posted - 2016.09.10 04:59:57 - [64] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: Ill say it one last time. Won't wonders never cease? Darth Terona wrote: people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp. Yeah, it came out the same as the other times you said it. Way to go! Darth Terona wrote: if no one plexed their account, then the plex would be worthless (isk value) in game, and no one would buy the damn things to sell on market. Where I come from we have a saying, "P!ss in one hand, wish in the other and see which fills up first." I'll modify that and say, "Pay real money in one hand, put an imaginary digital value of whatever name in the other, see which the bank accepts as a deposit." Now, you have to say the bank will take YOUR PLEX just as fast as it will take my DOLLAR and I want to see a video of it on YouTube when you go to your bank and prove this once and for all! Darth Terona wrote: therefore, both parties are generating revenue for ccp... That being said the absurdity of this obviates itself. Let me know if I'm going too fast for you. I'll try to type more s l o w l y. doc -- loyd We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Josef Djugashvilis 3455	Posted - 2016.09.10 06:49:56 - [65] - Quote I am clever enough not to have to work at all and can still pay my annual sub. Or maybe it is because I am 'old' and retired? I get confused so easily at my age... This is not a signature.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 952	Posted - 2016.09.10 07:15:07 - [66] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Darth Terona wrote: ...Ill say it one last time. people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp. ... Give us specifics and we'll stop laughing at you, kid. Better yet, keep it going, you're hilarious to read. And yet, he isn't wrong. In terms of specifics since it seems beyond your level of reasoning to be able to work it out yourself: Player A: subscribed + buys PLEX Player B: grinds time and buys PLEX from player A for ISK CCP income (based on month-by-month subscription and 1 PLEX putchase): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95 Total income: $34.90 alternative: Player A: subscribed Player B: subscribed CCP income (using month-by-month subscription for both players): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player B Subscription: $14.95 Total income: $29.90 Both forms of play represent revenue to CCP. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 236	Posted - 2016.09.10 07:42:40 - [67] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Isaac Armer wrote: Darth Terona wrote: ...Ill say it one last time. people who subscribe and people who plex their account both generate income for ccp. ... Give us specifics and we'll stop laughing at you, kid. Better yet, keep it going, you're hilarious to read. And yet, he isn't wrong. In terms of specifics since it seems beyond your level of reasoning to be able to work it out yourself: Player A: subscribed + buys PLEX Player B: grinds time and buys PLEX from player A for ISK CCP income (based on month-by-month subscription and 1 PLEX putchase): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95 Total income: $34.90 alternative: Player A: subscribed Player B: subscribed CCP income (using month-by-month subscription for both players): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player B Subscription: $14.95 Total income: $29.90 Both forms of play represent revenue to CCP. Everyone understands that. But that is not what we are discussing. We are discussing if it is okay for CCP to only reward subscribers for loyalty (If that indeed is the case). So everyone needs to understand the assumption for these discussions are that PLEXers don't get the extra stuff (Which we do not know is true). As long as we don't know if this base assumption is true or not, we are gonna have this mishmash of a discussion all over the place, with some discussing revenue and others dscussing who CCP should reward. These two topics are not directly compatible, leading to this trainwreck of a discussion. I will continue the discussion about if CCP has to also reward the person using the PLEX, as that is what this thread is about. in your example: Player A: subscribed + buys PLEX Player B: grinds time and buys PLEX from player A for ISK CCP income (based on month-by-month subscription and 1 PLEX putchase): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95 If we assume PLEXers don't get the reward, and we assume that we now with this thread have convinced CCP to change this. I would say give both rewards to Player A, as he gives up the money (And I assume that is the behaviour CCP wants to reward). Darth Terona says, give the reward to both as they both create revenue (they do, but they don't both loose RL money). Darth terona would then get he reward for the money player A payed ~twice, but Player A only get one reward for his money. So this is basically where the discussion is at. Do you want to reward giving up the money, do you want to reward the abstract concept of revenue? Which is a bit a silly topic to discuss tbh. as we still don't know if Darth Terona is right in that PLEXers are not included. So this is all purely theoretical, and could be based on a misreading of an ambiguously written text. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 238	Posted - 2016.09.10 07:48:16 - [68] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: bla bla bla... Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95 Total income: $34.90 alternative: Player A: subscribed Player B: subscribed CCP income (using month-by-month subscription for both players): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player B Subscription: $14.95 Total income: $29.90 Both forms of play represent revenue to CCP. player B is random and casual. some months he can pay, others he can't cuz no time to grind. your target is player A in any case: plexs are there to tax player A more! player B doesn't count. player B doesn't matter. Player B is trash.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 952	Posted - 2016.09.10 07:56:18 - [69] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Everyone understands that. But that is not what we are discussing. Clearly Isaac Armer didn't. He made his comments specifically in reply to a post from the OP about all players bringing value. I addressed his reply. On the broader context, CCP have always included people with active accounts, whether PLEXed or paying by credit card, in previous promotions. I don't see anything different here, no matter whether I agree with it or not. However, don't take my reply as anything more than in context with the reply it was for. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 953	Posted - 2016.09.10 07:57:33 - [70] - Quote Soel Reit wrote: player B doesn't count. player B doesn't matter. Player B is trash. So you're saying you PLEX then. Ok. Got it. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1209	Posted - 2016.09.10 08:23:03 - [71] - Quote Thanks for quoting, Ralph. Quite some drama . OP, just write a well formulated petition and ask CCP whether you are included or not. If not, you may ask them for their reasoning, though they may not be inclined to answer to that. and who knows, maybe we even get a clearer statement from CCP. Remove insurance.
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 111	Posted - 2016.09.10 08:28:50 - [72] - Quote Logic says that if you paid with real money or if you use plexes it's exactly the same. Because basically something else paid the plex with real money. But maybe it's worth asking a Dev to clarify it if so many have doubst.
Rya Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.09.10 09:40:17 - [73] - Quote If not it would be pretty messed up. I extended my account for another year about 2 months ago, but i canceled the subscription so it wouldn't accidently add another year without me knowing. Which means that i don't have an active subscripiton, even though my account has payed gametime for almost a year. And i shouldn't receive rewards for that? :/
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 961	Posted - 2016.09.10 09:48:41 - [74] - Quote Rya wrote: Which means that i don't have an active subscripiton, even though my account has payed gametime for almost a year. And i shouldn't receive rewards for that? :/ What does your account management page say? So to test this and see what the facts are, I just went and cancelled subscription on one of my accounts that I only activate intermittently because it's only cyno alts. It still identifies the subscription: https://puu.sh/r6dqA/23908fdeed.png I bet yours says something like: 1 Year EVE Subscription - cancelled and your account is clearly still active. As long as you don't let you account expire and go inactive, you'll be fine. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Paranoid Loyd 9558	Posted - 2016.09.10 19:38:38 - [75] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: doc -- loyd Almost missed these tears I got you a gift "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!

CCP Falcon 13127	Posted - 2016.09.10 20:02:39 - [76] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: Plexing does not count twords being subscribed? I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account? I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex. PLEXing does count toward being subscribed. When you activate a PLEX, you activate a subscription, and are actively playing the game. Hence, you are active, and actively subscribed. You'll get the rewards if you have an active subscription, regardless of how you pay for it. CCP Falcon \|\| EVE Universe Community Manager \|\| @CCP_Falcon Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3

Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 285	Posted - 2016.09.10 20:25:07 - [77] - Quote Thanks
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 310	Posted - 2016.09.10 20:33:12 - [78] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: And yet, he isn't wrong. In terms of specifics since it seems beyond your level of reasoning to be able to work it out yourself: Player A: subscribed + buys PLEX Player B: grinds time and buys PLEX from player A for ISK CCP income (based on month-by-month subscription and 1 PLEX putchase): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player A PLEX purchase: $19.95 Total income: $34.90 alternative: Player A: subscribed Player B: subscribed CCP income (using month-by-month subscription for both players): Player A Subscription: $14.95 Player B Subscription: $14.95 Total income: $29.90 Both forms of play represent revenue to CCP. I'm not sure my point could have gone farther over your head. Measuring the cost to play this game in terms of dollars is ridiculous. Time is our most valuable resource. How much time does it take someone in game to earn enough ISK to buy a plex? Get a part time job slinging fast food and you'll pay for one months subscription faster than earning it in game. People who plex in game are clueless as to the time value of money. Give me a single saturday and I will earn enough to pay for my subscriptions for the next six months. How many people can do that in game? That was literally the point. The fact the OP (and you apparently) can't seem to comprehend that says something.
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 285	Posted - 2016.09.10 22:11:06 - [79] - Quote assuming I grind for my plex. and your point has no ties to my original question.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 977	Posted - 2016.09.10 22:32:40 - [80] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: I'm not sure my point could have gone farther over your head. Measuring the cost to play this game in terms of dollars is ridiculous. Time is our most valuable resource. How much time does it take someone in game to earn enough ISK to buy a plex? Get a part time job slinging fast food and you'll pay for one months subscription faster than earning it in game. People who plex in game are clueless as to the time value of money. Give me a single saturday and I will earn enough to pay for my subscriptions for the next six months. How many people can do that in game? That was literally the point. The fact the OP (and you apparently) can't seem to comprehend that says something. I think you might have missed the OPs point all together and I didn't measure cost in terms of dollars. The OP made a point about revenue for CCP and you asked for specifics. The philosophy around the best way to pay for the game is a totally different and all together off topic issue to this thread, which is about the rewards for November. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."

Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 310	Posted - 2016.09.10 23:39:45 - [81] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: I think you might have missed the OPs point all together and I didn't measure cost in terms of dollars. The OP made a point about revenue for CCP and you asked for specifics. The philosophy around the best way to pay for the game is a totally different and all together off topic issue to this thread, which is about the rewards for November. No, I got his point. If he had left out the passive aggressive ego stroking about not paying for the game I wouldn't have responded to this thread at all. I responded to that part of his point. About you know, how ridiculous it was.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 15651	Posted - 2016.09.10 23:55:17 - [82] - Quote Everyone's wiser? Ok. /thread Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium 77	Posted - 2016.09.11 20:44:05 - [83] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Darth Terona wrote: Plexing does not count twords being subscribed? I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account? I mean. Ccp got their money either way. So I don't think it's right to not include us who plex. PLEXing does count toward being subscribed. When you activate a PLEX, you activate a subscription, and are actively playing the game. Hence, you are active, and actively subscribed. You'll get the rewards if you have an active subscription, regardless of how you pay for it. Thanks for that. Now the bigger question. Buy two manipulated plexes and get rewards worth (x), or wait 2 months and just buy the reward stuff from market as people offload it :P...
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 287	Posted - 2016.09.11 21:21:25 - [84] - Quote Isk value, just buy the awards later. They will be dirt cheap. Ccp don't give away stuff for free that's worth a lot of isk. Certain it won't be 2bil worth anyway
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1561	Posted - 2016.09.11 21:57:18 - [85] - Quote Darth Terona wrote: ... I'm going to be cut out of the rewards because I'm clever enuff to not have to pay for my account? .... Clever, entitled, yep. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Nana Skalski Poseidaon 15706	Posted - 2016.09.12 06:34:10 - [86] - Quote I will be keeping mine rewards. Especially the black suits and ships. I think Gnosis will not lose as much value because Alphas will want to pilot it. They may be not worth 2B, but I am subscribed anyway. Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him. GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
Ezin Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2016.09.12 13:36:51 - [87] - Quote is it just me or is op a ***** **?
Josef Djugashvilis 3461	Posted - 2016.09.12 13:40:47 - [88] - Quote Ezin wrote: is it just me or is op a ***** **? Even by the low standards of GD this is a thread about absolutely nothing... This is not a signature.
Lucas Kell Solitude Trading 7855	Posted - 2016.09.12 14:55:39 - [89] - Quote Isaac Armer wrote: Measuring the cost to play this game in terms of dollars is ridiculous. Time is our most valuable resource. How much time does it take someone in game to earn enough ISK to buy a plex? Get a part time job slinging fast food and you'll pay for one months subscription faster than earning it in game. People who plex in game are clueless as to the time value of money. Give me a single saturday and I will earn enough to pay for my subscriptions for the next six months. How many people can do that in game? This is all well and good if you have access to an unlimited supply of working hours. If you can play the game and enjoy it in your spare time and also earn enough ISK to plex your account, why would you choose to pay money that you can spend on something else to pay for gametime that you can accrue in your normal playtime? Also my record day was over 40b in profit . Pays for a lot of gametime. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Isaac Armer The Soup Kitchen 313	Posted - 2016.09.12 15:13:32 - [90] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: This is all well and good if you have access to an unlimited supply of working hours. If you can play the game and enjoy it in your spare time and also earn enough ISK to plex your account, why would you choose to pay money that you can spend on something else to pay for gametime that you can accrue in your normal playtime? Also my record day was over 40b in profit . Pays for a lot of gametime. 99% of people who earn that kind of profit in a day treat this like a job, not a game. Any traders are simply wasting time. I do my trading on the market IRL. If I'm going to work a job, I want to make real money for it, not ISK.

ISD Max Trix isd community communications liaisons 361	Posted - 2016.09.12 15:24:20 - [91] - Quote Since CCP Falcon has answered your question. I will go ahead and close this thread. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department *I do not respond to Evemails.*


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