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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.03.18 10:07:00 -
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000Hunter000 Imagines 10000 players in Jita and shudders 
Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
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loperat
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Posted - 2007.03.18 11:28:00 -
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Too many people jealous about WOW. It is only another game ,mmkay?.
All online comunities have an inferiority complex when we are talking about WOW.
EVE online targets another audience of online players (perhaps doesnt atract too many leet kiddies but in fact there are too many elitist and arrogant old dogs), anyways EVE could learn a lot about WOW: interface- community addons, lack of bugs, stability of servers, GM work..
The PVE side of warcraft is very powerful, and the pvp side can be very funny too.
We are talking about blizzard ok? warcraft strategy games-starcraft-diablo anyone?
The only problem with WOW is the community. WOW as a game is one of the best mmorpg game atm, like it or not.
The question is, EVE is a niche for 150k users because we want or because we cant get more due to quality? there is no a simple answer.
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Miss Anthropy
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.03.18 12:00:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Haitchi Allamut
tbh, eve would suck with millions and millions of subscribers.
True. All the problems EVE has just now (blobbing, T2 lottery probs [soon to be fixed though], Jita [and similar hubs] lag, ore thieving, macro miners, etc) would be amplified thousands of times if EVE were as popular as WoW. EVE is better as a "fringe" game as it has a smaller, but more intelligent player base.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar
The Paratwa Ka
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.03.18 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 18/03/2007 13:02:38
As long as Eve is popular enough to keep the money coming in for CCP to continue development, I don't care if Eve is the most popular MMORPG or not. What really matters is that it is the best MMORPG for my style of gameplay.
I prefer quality over quantity, anytime, and Eve has already beat WoW on that. 
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
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Beefcake99
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Posted - 2007.03.18 13:06:00 -
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Too many Sausages IMHO
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Rhekon
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Posted - 2007.03.18 14:08:00 -
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As some people have said, eve will never grow that big...well perhaps in china where PvP is more liked than by their western carebare accumulating fat white man oh look at all my virtual wealth!11) counterparts.
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Prophet Jurah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.18 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
I honestly don't see a greater deal of depth. A little, but EVE is still by the numbers for the most part. The only real difference is that WoW takes 4 minute to go from point A to B while EVE takes 4 months. That gives it the illusion of depth.
In that case you should probably have your eyes looked at. You may need contacts. Lets look at shooting things for example. In WoW you only need to be in range. In eve you need to be at a certain range within your max range for best results, you need to keep your transversal velocity low, you need to either be using the right size guns to hit them or using a module to help with that (e.g. target painter). WoW seems much simpler now, huh? For WoW character customization you get to have 2 primary skills and 3 secondary skills. In eve you get to choose from hundreds of skills and combine any or all of them however you want. I'm starting to see a patern developing here... In WoW your mage learns to cast arcane intellect on the priest, summon him some water and then spam frostbolt untill the instance is over. Thats your entire job and thats all you ever do and all you ever will do. In eve you can change your fittings and ship and customize your abilities for the fight. It requires knowledge and planning. You have to know how to play every class and every mixture of classes and when to use each. You might be flying a recon with blasters (rogue) for some PvP and then an hour later you're in an exequror with remote reps (priest) for an exploration site or complex and then after that you decide to do some missions and get out your well tanked dominix with nos on it (warlock/warrior/hunter). How do you make money in WoW? Kill stuff, quest or make stuff. How do you make money in eve? Mine, make stuff, kill stuff, transport stuff, pirate, bounty hunt, mercenary, mission, trade etc. How does WoW have even a fraction of eve's depth again? I've looked has hard as i can and the only way i can come up with that WoW has more depth is the AI. It doesn't have good AI at all, but anything is better than the nearly nonexistant AI of eve. The WoW AI has a better agro system and sometimes the mobs try to run from you and sometimes they talk. Yay, 5% better AI! Seriously, if you think WoW looks as deep as eve you need to get your eyes (or head) examined.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.18 19:20:00 -
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Quote:
accumulating fat white man oh look at all my virtual wealth
Just why tf did you have to assign a color there?
Got some hangups, do we?
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.03.18 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Prophet Jurah
Originally by: Nero Scuro
I honestly don't see a greater deal of depth. A little, but EVE is still by the numbers for the most part. The only real difference is that WoW takes 4 minute to go from point A to B while EVE takes 4 months. That gives it the illusion of depth.
In that case you should probably have your eyes looked at. You may need contacts. Lets look at shooting things for example. In WoW you only need to be in range. In eve you need to be at a certain range within your max range for best results, you need to keep your transversal velocity low, you need to either be using the right size guns to hit them or using a module to help with that (e.g. target painter). WoW seems much simpler now, huh? For WoW character customization you get to have 2 primary skills and 3 secondary skills. In eve you get to choose from hundreds of skills and combine any or all of them however you want. I'm starting to see a patern developing here... In WoW your mage learns to cast arcane intellect on the priest, summon him some water and then spam frostbolt untill the instance is over. Thats your entire job and thats all you ever do and all you ever will do. In eve you can change your fittings and ship and customize your abilities for the fight. It requires knowledge and planning. You have to know how to play every class and every mixture of classes and when to use each. You might be flying a recon with blasters (rogue) for some PvP and then an hour later you're in an exequror with remote reps (priest) for an exploration site or complex and then after that you decide to do some missions and get out your well tanked dominix with nos on it (warlock/warrior/hunter). How do you make money in WoW? Kill stuff, quest or make stuff. How do you make money in eve? Mine, make stuff, kill stuff, transport stuff, pirate, bounty hunt, mercenary, mission, trade etc. How does WoW have even a fraction of eve's depth again? I've looked has hard as i can and the only way i can come up with that WoW has more depth is the AI. It doesn't have good AI at all, but anything is better than the nearly nonexistant AI of eve. The WoW AI has a better agro system and sometimes the mobs try to run from you and sometimes they talk. Yay, 5% better AI! Seriously, if you think WoW looks as deep as eve you need to get your eyes (or head) examined.
Sorry but I don't read giant indecipherable blocks of text. Learn what a paragraph is then come back and flame me again.
(ok I did read what you said - no. Yes, the reason why your guns aren't hitting might all nice and complicated, but that still doesn't stop combat coming down to pressing the 'orbit at..' button and hoping your target isn't faster than you.
I've not really played WoW much (hated it) but EVE isn't really that complicated. You fit a setup that is largely arbitrary because your enemy could be flying a setup that counters yours and you'll never know until you're already committed to the battle. Then you move into range, hope your ship is faster so you can keep that range, and press F1 thru F8. OMG the tactics!!
All of EVE's real skill comes down to two things;
1. Balls. Do you risk your expensive ship or do you chicken out? Has nothing to do with EVE mechanics besides the death penalty. And no, the death penalty does not add depth, awesome though it most certainly is.
2. Leadership. Which has nothing to do with the gameplay mechanics or game depth, it's just psychology. You have leadership in WoW too, the only difference is bad leadership isn't discouraged because there's no death penalty.)
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sorilin
Amarr
Setenta Corp
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.18 19:51:00 -
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i personaly woould like to buy eve II soon. a new world. somewhere.. BESIDE the world we have now... only because maybe once the 2 world could find each other. i would LOVE to be able to find wormholes wich leeds to regions no mann has ever been,,, at the moment all is known.. even systems ive never been in... i find it funny i know the entire world.
should be so that u can basicly only see 2 sytems aside from the oens u ever been in!!! would also bring people out exploring.. i dont get why ccp never thought of this.. because that would ROCK...
1 new eve world. with difrent races, then some day WAR between the 2 servers!!! omfg
MAKE IT CCP:::::::
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mama guru
Gallente
Friendship 7 Corporation
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.03.18 20:02:00 -
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Age of Conan.
That is the only game i can picture that brings something close to the same playstyle as eve.
-YOU ARE NOW READING MY SIGNATURE-
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Saint Lazarus
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Posted - 2007.03.18 20:09:00 -
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who ever said WoW was better than EvE?.....
Alot more people listen to Backstreet Boys and N-SYNC does that mean they're better than Tool?
Seriously numbers dont mean jack ESPICALLY in a game, anyone ever play Uplink? helluva lot better than the sims/Need for speed/Fifa 07/Generals (I could go on..) but which has more players?
Plus obviously games have target audiences, EvE's is to the smarter more mature players and lets face facts, theres alot less of them then the l33t 12 year olds. Hence we have less players and OBVIOUSLY this has no bearing on the quality of the game so yeah...this threads pointless cause I doubt anyone here agrees that WoW is of higher quality >.>
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.03.18 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: mama guru
Age of Conan.
That is the only game i can picture that brings something close to the same playstyle as eve.
I plan on playing AoC as well but it really doesn't look that similar to EVE. At all. Good fun though.
Check out Darkfall, definitely got that EVE vibe going on.
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Peter Stormare
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Posted - 2007.03.18 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Target
I would like to see Eve Online surpass WoW. Eve Online is in constant evolution, whereas WoW just has expansion(s).
Some people view Eve Online as a 'fringe game'. I don't agree with this - for example, Star Wars is one of the most popular films of all time.
Should CCP focus it's resources on Eve Online rather than branch-out into World of Darkness? Is it right for the profits of Eve Online to be used to start up a new game? - Should the money be used to further improve Eve instead?
I'm all for making Eve Online the most popular MMORPG. Is this achievable?
I think the real question should be: Who really does give a crap?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.18 21:28:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Nero Scuro
Originally by: Prophet Jurah
Originally by: Nero Scuro
I honestly don't see a greater deal of depth. A little, but EVE is still by the numbers for the most part. The only real difference is that WoW takes 4 minute to go from point A to B while EVE takes 4 months. That gives it the illusion of depth.
In that case you should probably have your eyes looked at. You may need contacts. Lets look at shooting things for example. In WoW you only need to be in range. In eve you need to be at a certain range within your max range for best results, you need to keep your transversal velocity low, you need to either be using the right size guns to hit them or using a module to help with that (e.g. target painter). WoW seems much simpler now, huh? For WoW character customization you get to have 2 primary skills and 3 secondary skills. In eve you get to choose from hundreds of skills and combine any or all of them however you want. I'm starting to see a patern developing here... In WoW your mage learns to cast arcane intellect on the priest, summon him some water and then spam frostbolt untill the instance is over. Thats your entire job and thats all you ever do and all you ever will do. In eve you can change your fittings and ship and customize your abilities for the fight. It requires knowledge and planning. You have to know how to play every class and every mixture of classes and when to use each. You might be flying a recon with blasters (rogue) for some PvP and then an hour later you're in an exequror with remote reps (priest) for an exploration site or complex and then after that you decide to do some missions and get out your well tanked dominix with nos on it (warlock/warrior/hunter). How do you make money in WoW? Kill stuff, quest or make stuff. How do you make money in eve? Mine, make stuff, kill stuff, transport stuff, pirate, bounty hunt, mercenary, mission, trade etc. How does WoW have even a fraction of eve's depth again? I've looked has hard as i can and the only way i can come up with that WoW has more depth is the AI. It doesn't have good AI at all, but anything is better than the nearly nonexistant AI of eve. The WoW AI has a better agro system and sometimes the mobs try to run from you and sometimes they talk. Yay, 5% better AI! Seriously, if you think WoW looks as deep as eve you need to get your eyes (or head) examined.
Sorry but I don't read giant indecipherable blocks of text. Learn what a paragraph is then come back and flame me again.
(ok I did read what you said - no. Yes, the reason why your guns aren't hitting might all nice and complicated, but that still doesn't stop combat coming down to pressing the 'orbit at..' button and hoping your target isn't faster than you.
I've not really played WoW much (hated it) but EVE isn't really that complicated. You fit a setup that is largely arbitrary because your enemy could be flying a setup that counters yours and you'll never know until you're already committed to the battle. Then you move into range, hope your ship is faster so you can keep that range, and press F1 thru F8. OMG the tactics!!
All of EVE's real skill comes down to two things;
1. Balls. Do you risk your expensive ship or do you chicken out? Has nothing to do with EVE mechanics besides the death penalty. And no, the death penalty does not add depth, awesome though it most certainly is.
2. Leadership. Which has nothing to do with the gameplay mechanics or game depth, it's just psychology. You have leadership in WoW too, the only difference is bad leadership isn't discouraged because there's no death penalty.)
Eve is all about tactics. Managing your ship is not the difficult bit.
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If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine. |
Awiti
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Posted - 2007.03.18 21:56:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Alex Zander505
Eve's Avatar strikes WoW's lvl 70 Pally Wrecking for 128903.6 dmg.
You have recieved the bounty set on WoW's head for 50000g
ALl I have to say is... "Bubble". 
Alex, you can`t kill paladins. Nothing can kill paladins. 
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Reiisha
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.18 22:02:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Jack Target
I would like to see Eve Online surpass WoW. Eve Online is in constant evolution, whereas WoW just has expansion(s).
Some people view Eve Online as a 'fringe game'. I don't agree with this - for example, Star Wars is one of the most popular films of all time.
Should CCP focus it's resources on Eve Online rather than branch-out into World of Darkness? Is it right for the profits of Eve Online to be used to start up a new game? - Should the money be used to further improve Eve instead?
I'm all for making Eve Online the most popular MMORPG. Is this achievable?
EVE will never beat WoW on amount of subscriptions. The niche it caters for is simply a lot smaller due to the differences in gameplay and atmosphere.
WoW is on many fronts a lot easier to get into, and it offers it's content in a structured and easy to follow way, whereas in EVE you're left alone in a griefer's universe. Given that most people just want fast fun, EVE will never be on the top in terms of subscription numbers.
Add to that that we'd need about 50,000 extra systems to cater to 8 million players, at least...
EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.03.18 23:14:00 -
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The real question is:
Could WOW beat EVE?
Answer: No
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
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Posted - 2007.03.18 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 18/03/2007 23:35:03
One question.. i don't visit the warcraft forums, so i realy don't know/
But do they feel the need to constantly create topics about eve?
Asking because everytime i see a eve/wow thread pop up here, all i see is people degrading the game (wow) like there's some sort of inferiority complex going on. ( re read Prophet Jurah's view again... quite distrubing in my opinion)
It's hard to imagine with such a mature community (we have here) that being the case... yet it allways seem rather evident in every thread we decide to draw comparity with the game and eve.
Somebody touched on it earlier, eve is a free for all greifers paradise... no game that sets the boundaries unlimited like that will ever become massively popular.... the majority just like to have fun in free/recreational time without those hassles associated with that.
With such a definate holding eve down.. no matter how nice a massively multiplayer game on a single realm with a space scfi genre might appeal to people... they just won't do it on that basis.
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.03.18 23:44:00 -
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/me leaves jita forever... (for real this time)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=465618 |
Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.03.19 00:12:00 -
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Anyone find it ironic that there is an add for isk/gold sellers on that page every time?
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Hadean Drive Yards
The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day |
Sphynix
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Posted - 2007.03.19 00:42:00 -
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WoW is a very good game. Highly addictive and easy to get into.
The learning curve is pretty shallow.
You can solo all the way to the "end" and never need to interact with anyone else.
You can grief Macro'ers without CONCORD doing anything about it!
The reason why i left was because it is to easy in many ways. Let me give you an example.
I spent 2 years playing it and had a blast. Was in a high end guild (corp) and i had some of the best gear that you could get.
For all those 2 years worth of work i got exactly the same reward that someone with 2 weeks worth of time could get. This is because all you have to do is loot the item and have the level/class needed to equip it - if you did a lot of grinding (or used a macro) it took about 2 weeks to hit max level.
Oh yeah, then blizzard released an expansion that completely flattened all that work. The best and hardest gear to get in the game was suddenly inferior to random crud that dropped everywhere - its a bit like the officer gear being worse than the frig drops in a new region.
For all that being said, WoW is a very good game - if you can stick it.
At least in EVE a two week old can't fly a MShip.
(and the majority of humanity has the attention span of a narcoleptic gnat - if it isn't easy enough they just get bored and leave and when they get given everything they leave because there is nothing else to look forward to!)
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