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Drag Queen Caldari The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.18 15:43:00 - [1] So here we are. Eve has now been running for approaching 4 years!! A question I often ponder is how many "Individual" players have actually managed to amass a personal worth in excess of 1 Trillion isk (1,000 billion) ?? This means that they as an individual are worth that amount - not their alliance, or their corp, or all their friends and them together. Just an individual. Anyone have any ideas of who may be in this league? I suspect there are not too many, but it is an interesting question.
Rhekon	Posted - 2007.03.18 15:45:00 - [2] gets hack saw out
Gyrolion Blade	Posted - 2007.03.18 15:55:00 - [3] I have no idea.. I dont think anyone has 1.000 billion isk.. you know how freaking much that is!
ArtemisEntreri	Posted - 2007.03.18 15:58:00 - [4] If you don't just mean the wallet and assets are included? Look at Khatred.
meowmixmeow Black Eclipse Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.18 16:20:00 - [5] Naal Morno --- ___ Your signature here... Click here for details 75mil ISK offered ___
Mathias Zealot	Posted - 2007.03.18 16:25:00 - [6] I've had a long time friend who started playing EVE around the same time as me, but unlike my diverse interests, he has devoted the majority of his two and a half years in eve making isk and has profited his way into the hundreds of billions in isk and assets. He's worth at least 400 billion and counting, so I would not be surprised if there are others who have played longer who have hit a trillion isk, though I don't have the privilage of knowing one. I rather doubt you will get many who come forward and say so, since wardecs are easy to throw around these days and they have a nasty habit of cutting into profit margins. Good luck finding them. --- "I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm in flap jaw space does a raw blink in Hari-Kari rock! I need scissors! 61!"
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.18 16:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Gyrolion Blade 1.000 billion isk.. you know how freaking much that is! It's about 1,000 billion isk "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan My skills
Jollyreaper Gallente Ace Adventure Corp	Posted - 2007.03.18 17:40:00 - [8] It'd be cool if someone could put together a script to determine the total market value of your assets. That would be taking everything you own from ships to modules, plus your skills, and put a value on it by taking the average market value of all those things. Add that to cash on hand and there's your net worth. There would also have to be some factor in for the value of all the skillpoints trained.
Gyrolion Blade	Posted - 2007.03.18 17:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Gyrolion Blade 1.000 billion isk.. you know how freaking much that is! It's about 1,000 billion isk Are you sure?!?! 1.000 billion isk is like 1.000.000.000.000,00 isk That is freaking much :P
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.03.18 17:42:00 - [10] well the guy who pulled of the EIB scam or whatever it was.. had about 760ish billion isk. Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Podee Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:15:00 - [11] I have little or no isk. Just my gratuity gift of free tritanium. I'm in ur threadz, derailin ur postz.
Kruugore Minmatar Vigilant Justice	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:19:00 - [12] Edited by: Kruugore on 18/03/2007 18:16:34 Sadly, the only ones who could reach that level are A) Complex Camper/Exploiters B) A Hulk/Vagabond(or equivalently profitable BPO) holder. C) Someone in BoB who had it spawned for them. (I kid, I kid.) EVE Vault, A Great Community
Tulakh	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:46:00 - [13] You can be a Trillionaire today! Only things needed: -Access to test server -Alot of patiente What to do: - buy the most expensive ship you can fly - buy a gun and fit it to said ship - insure ship - undock and attack a station gun / concord / whatever that causes agro - repeat from step 1 till you reached 1 Trillion Kidding asside, obviously getting to 1 billion is allready quite a accomplishment for quite some people. Those who are don't say because of the following stuff: - Harrasment (please give me isk mails / convo's, someone posted a hulk bpo owners name on the forum and i still wonder how many evemails he recieved for a cheap hulk) - Griefing (constant wardecs whenever not in a new player experience corp, possible hate attention comming down if you don't "comply" with the give me isk mails / convo's etc) - hacking attempts (isk to real life cash convert oppertunity, also see a more recent dev blog as people get hacked for far less) Also that person can never know for sure who are his real friends anymore once the word is out (this also applies to reallife, have a look at life before and after mayor lottery wins). I actually discourage people from giveing out any notice about ingame status even, specially the skillpoint part and their wealth just to prevent a budload of problems later on (private / corp skillpoint dumps are ok as an convo paste anywhere else can be denied as fabricated anyway because the owner did not make a hardcopy unlike on a specific site where people upload their xml data to). Just do not give people a reason to hack you as it only causes you anger and a character reroll may be the only solution to get rid of the negative attention (possibly ccp would be willing to do that if you allready done so and have serieus harrasment issues though).
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Riho well the guy who pulled of the EIB scam or whatever it was.. had about 760ish billion isk. Njah, he liked to claim that before he was banned; then again he liked to tell lot of stories. CCP quite strongly hinted he did get much less than was claimed. -Lasse
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:57:00 - [15] Edited by: Celeste Coeval on 18/03/2007 18:54:46 Originally by: Jollyreaper It'd be cool if someone could put together a script to determine the total market value of your assets. That would be taking everything you own from ships to modules, plus your skills, and put a value on it by taking the average market value of all those things. Add that to cash on hand and there's your net worth. There would also have to be some factor in for the value of all the skillpoints trained. I use a calculator. EvEmon is depressing enough. "If you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the tailor." -Albert Einstein Member of the [UTSFAH] corp.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.18 19:08:00 - [16] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 18/03/2007 19:05:21 Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Riho well the guy who pulled of the EIB scam or whatever it was.. had about 760ish billion isk. Njah, he liked to claim that before he was banned; then again he liked to tell lot of stories. CCP quite strongly hinted he did get much less than was claimed. -Lasse Yeah, he actually took about 50-100b at most, unremarkable. I know someone who sells to STUFF corporation; he has slowly amassed a vast T2 portfolio over the years through investing and trading (few lottery wins though). Though not all of what he sells to STUFF is owned by him, the total profit-per-year of his portfolio is around 650 billion. Dr Scope probably has slightly higher than that amount, so he's definitely nearing or at a trillion. And I, pathetic me, still only have like 60b --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.18 22:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Riho well the guy who pulled of the EIB scam or whatever it was.. had about 760ish billion isk. No he had about 60b, if that. After he got banned he admitted on another forum that he didn't net anywhere near 700b. And yes, the SS was fake. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
lusifar	Posted - 2007.03.18 23:07:00 - [18] Edited by: lusifar on 18/03/2007 23:05:25 Originally by: Tulakh You can be a Trillionaire today! - hacking attempts . well whats wrong with this?! (yer yer i think it is wrong, this is making a point that i think the devs made a biiiiiiiip mistake). i mean it is using your skills to infiltrade and steal ingame items? i mean scammers do this all the time and this is apparently okey for all the devs.. as one said, a scam of 60billions.... what bad BAD game designer would allow this kind of thing to happend? a machanic that lets people do this kind of totally stupid and unrealistic, non game giving, only game and fun destroying action... "will properly get one more warning to the stack of "telling the devs how 'bip stupid it is to make a game system where scamming is this redicules easy and without any kind of notible consecience
Sphynix	Posted - 2007.03.18 23:52:00 - [19] To have 1 trillion ISK in your wallet would basically mean a profit of about 1 billion a day, for 3 years... This gives you 3 weeks a year as a "holiday"
Trollin	Posted - 2007.03.19 00:08:00 - [20] if ccp had not introduced warp to zero I would be nearing 1 trillion right now on my main. I was making just shy of 500m per day selling bm's... it was boring as hell, but logging in the morning and seeing the wallet balance had gone up another 450-500m from claimed escrows was always a nice way to start the day. --------------------------------------------------- A word to the wise ain't necessary, its the stupid ones that need the advice
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.19 00:11:00 - [21] With this money you can buy all Jita. With the stations. ----- History is made by whinners
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.19 00:21:00 - [22] You can by trading... it would take 6-7 months how ever.
Izzy Pol Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek	Posted - 2007.03.19 00:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Jollyreaper It'd be cool if someone could put together a script to determine the total market value of your assets. That would be taking everything you own from ships to modules, plus your skills, and put a value on it by taking the average market value of all those things. Add that to cash on hand and there's your net worth. There would also have to be some factor in for the value of all the skillpoints trained. The truly valuable stuff does not have a "market" value, a script would be useless.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.19 00:34:00 - [24] Originally by: Trollin if ccp had not introduced warp to zero I would be nearing 1 trillion right now on my main. I was making just shy of 500m per day selling bm's... it was boring as hell, but logging in the morning and seeing the wallet balance had gone up another 450-500m from claimed escrows was always a nice way to start the day. You wouldn't be anywhere near 1 trillion isk. Alliance leaders could have a trillion ISK in their wallets easily, and not even by exploiting complexes or whatever. I'd imagine Remedial setting Goonfleet's tax to 100% for a week or two would put their corp wallet up a couple hundred billion ISK pretty easily if they aren't at war during that time, and just carebear it up. Think of say, 2000 players spending 3 hours a day making 20mil isk/hour npcing/missioning. 60m isk each day from those 2000 players, 120,000,000,000 a day. Do it for a couple weeks and that's an easy trillion+ ISK for whoever decides to empty the wallet and run. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Feta Solamnia	Posted - 2007.03.19 02:09:00 - [25] There was one person in eve who's assets I estimated well over a trillion ISK, maybe two. But that was quite a few months ago, this statement is no longer true. Even with a very modest appraisal, it was well over a trillion. Please note the "person" vs "corporation represented by person". It makes a world of difference, especially in the t2 production market where high-volume high-end production cannot be realistically sustained by 3 people, let alone one. Wait, now that I think of it, there was a second one, but I'm not sure if he's in it for himself or he's corporate. Originally by: Oveur I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
Xiaodown Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.03.19 05:07:00 - [26] Even with all the space the goonies now claim, there's not enough low enough true security systems to support 3,000 people making 20 million isk an hour. But, I digress. I have a screenshot of Istvaan Shoggaatsu's wallet at over 225 billion isk. GHSC services don't come cheap, appearantly...
Tulakh	Posted - 2007.03.19 05:56:00 - [27] Originally by: lusifar Edited by: lusifar on 18/03/2007 23:05:25 Originally by: Tulakh You can be a Trillionaire today! - hacking attempts . well whats wrong with this?! (yer yer i think it is wrong, this is making a point that i think the devs made a biiiiiiiip mistake). i mean it is using your skills to infiltrade and steal ingame items? i mean scammers do this all the time and this is apparently okey for all the devs.. as one said, a scam of 60billions.... what bad BAD game designer would allow this kind of thing to happend? a machanic that lets people do this kind of totally stupid and unrealistic, non game giving, only game and fun destroying action... "will properly get one more warning to the stack of "telling the devs how 'bip stupid it is to make a game system where scamming is this redicules easy and without any kind of notible consecience Nice twist but everyone can access the test server if your account is not paid for by GTC (those are only updated at live server) or if your account was not deactive at the test server mirror. On TQ you cant profit at all trough this but you can be a trillionair at the TEST server (not that it matters alot there anyway . Obviously this part about the test server is a JOKE you cannot magicly import your isk from test server to live server. More funny with the next mirror on test server your isk is gone. If you did not know: test server has all market objects placed at 100 isk only so when you loose any ship you allready profit. About the real scams (the ones that involve tranquility / LIVE server money) yes many of those are by missing game design (eve bank for example, no guarantee you would ever see a single isk). The problem however is that in those cases it is just a matter of trustworthyness. Someone seeing wow people allready invested X billion in this only invites more and more to take the money and walk away. With a bit of throughly thought out plan about the risk (hmm there is nothing that will guarantee i get a set ammount of isk each month asside of this person hisword). Then you should reach the conclusion ok if i get screwed up what could i afford to loose, don't just pump the total net value of your whole assets in it as that is like giveing away your wallet and pincode to an stranger who says to you on the street he can double your money. The problem in these certain cases is often a player creates an out of ccp's control website about his / her investment plan. Then he / she says ok people listen i can double your money by investments i know i can (pressents niffy website which causes some of afforementioned people to get dollar signs in their eyes and only hear the sound katjing). Up till now ccp had no rule which says people cannot do this, because they either didn't think of it or they just know they cannot police 100's of sites and people each day because they suspect something smells fishy. Now a scam is pulled of janking a big BIG load of hard earned isk from people. Ccp has to think it out well he did not break any rules we had setup so by takeing actions they could actually step into a situation where they could possibly be suid reallife if the person is really willing to bring it that far. Other games have scamming (a sword with similar picture tradeing for the price of that mega uber rare pricey sword for example) pnly there it affects less people in most cases because there is no real investment oppertunity there. In eve however there is a much more indept market which allows for far more possibilities. Take for example ISS their outpost investment oppertunity, none knew it was legit or not but still people thrown alot of isk their way. It is just hard to say what is and what is not legit specially if your own rules did not provide protection at all to warrent any action. I do not like scams either but atleast with a bit of thinking you can prevent getting burned or at least burned to badly by many of them.
Maximum Panic	Posted - 2007.03.19 05:59:00 - [28] It is hard to value all of the tech 2 bpos since those are the assets in game that actually earn you more isk easily. I couldn't tell you what mine are worth (because I really don't know), but I make somewhere around 3.6 to 4.0 B isk/month from running them. Course I get about 1-2B isk worth of ships blown up every month, so I am still gaining. Getting to 1000B isk...that would take too damn long, or you need a hulk bpo dropped in your lap. Max
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.19 07:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Feta Solamnia There was one person in eve who's assets I estimated well over a trillion ISK, maybe two. But that was quite a few months ago, this statement is no longer true. Even with a very modest appraisal, it was well over a trillion. Please note the "person" vs "corporation represented by person". It makes a world of difference, especially in the t2 production market where high-volume high-end production cannot be realistically sustained by 3 people, let alone one. Wait, now that I think of it, there was a second one, but I'm not sure if he's in it for himself or he's corporate. I think there would be very few single people with more than a trillion in assetts (less than 10), however people representing corps would account for a fair few 'trillionaires' in eve. It all depends on how you value assets really. ---------------------- FTEK \| Production ~ Research ~ Sales ~ Election Fixing
Laboratus Gallente BGG Alektorophobia	Posted - 2007.03.19 09:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Kruugore Edited by: Kruugore on 18/03/2007 18:16:34 Sadly, the only ones who could reach that level are A) Complex Camper/Exploiters B) A Hulk/Vagabond(or equivalently profitable BPO) holder. C) Someone in BoB who had it spawned for them. (I kid, I kid.) Vaga BPO only produces profit of 80B a year, so to reach 1000B it would take 12.5 years. T2 has not been in game that long. 10/10s produce about 1B per day farmed and to reach 1000B it would take about 2.74 years of farming. c is actually the most likely of the events described, even though I don't think it is possible... Sadly, to make that kinds of money the best propable way of doing it is through T1 market. Ammo, ships and mods sales in large quantities to alliances and spread around in empire hubs... I think the pendelum war final report calculated the loses in that campaing to 17Tril. So whoever supplied them, prolly has at least 1 Trill isk... ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats

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