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Pete Stalker
Kemono. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:25:00 -
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mwaha can I join you to shoot namtz?
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Dr Kojak
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Kojak on 20/03/2007 16:09:53 Stalker wrote "mwaha can I join you to shoot namtz? "
Of course you can join! If you can target their gangs around teonosude and rens that would be where you'd find most of them. You see, we have scared them out of lowsec. :-)
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Swanger
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 19/03/2007 12:34:58 I will answer to this once. This is not addressed to INFOD; this is addressed to those who oppose to piracy.
When INFOD tells you they moved back to MH just because we declared them, and that we are causing them to attack you, ask yourselves these questions:
1) if they have no quarrel with you, why exactly are they shooting you and/or your assets? 2) based on what you know of them, do you seriously believe they left CA and moved back to MH to become peaceful miners? 3) in all the history behind us, who do you think is more likely to lie to you, us or them? 4) who wins if the antipirate forces in MH listen to INFOD here, and do not fight together?
Do not fall for obvious traps. Not in space, and not in your minds.
For the record, the reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated... again.
This thread will be ignored from now on. If there are actual questions or concerns, please feel free to convo or evemail myself or any of the NMTZ representatives anytime.
(EDIT: I can spell, too.)
This is not addressed to Namatzaar Kin, this is addressed to all the entities residing in Molden Heath.
Infod never said we returned to Molden Heath because NMTZ war decc'd us. We have said, many times over, that INFOD has returned to Istodard, Gonheim, Hedal, in force because NMTZ have war decc'd us. Why? Because those systems are known to us as the home systems of NMTZ. Entities neutral to INFOD are being engaged by us in those systems. Why? Because we operate on a NBSI policy. NMTZ is the self professed protector of Molden Heath. Do you feel safer now because of the NMTZ war declaration against INFOD? Ask yourself these questions: Prior to this war, how many times did you see any INFOD in Istodard, Gonheim, Hedal? Prior to NMTZ war deccing INFOD how many times was your station camped by a fleet of warships from INFOD? So who is really at fault here?
NMTZ claims that INFOD is an outlaw corporation because we shoot corporations neutral to us. However NMTZ does the exact same thing. Who are they to claim the moral high ground? We defend our home space just like they do. Ask any corporation that has INFOD for a friend if they have anything to fear from us. Not one will answer yes.
Furthermore ANY corporation or group that takes up arms against Namatzaar Kin will be looked upon favorably by INFOD.
Respectfully, Swanger CEO, Infinitus Odium
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:48:00 -
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I'm looking forward to entering Molden Heath again.
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Mithrindar
Caldari Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.21 15:41:00 -
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R&R passes for angel red light districts have been distributed to fury members, it's been some time since we new the pleasures of MH and GW.
/me waves at NMTZ, remember us ?
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.21 15:43:00 -
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Hihi, it seems that NMTZ isn't that good in diplomatic than I thought. Oh well, they are more or less dead anyway now.
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T4R4
Gallente QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 18:04:00 -
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Well, after having read this thread over, I have this to say....
Having flown with INFOD and against NMTZ in the past, and having seen the tactics played out on both sides, I would with NO hesitation want INFOD to have my back since I know they're not going to runaway or cloak and hide. They will stay and fight to the end!
INFOD, I may not fly with you now, but I stand behind you on your stand against NMTZ!
Fly Safe, fly strong and remember to scream my name in local when you shoot them down
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.21 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tassi on 21/03/2007 19:28:45 Oh tara, my precious unicorn. Long time no see, sadly.
How are you doing? You know where you can get the satisfying treatment for your horn right?
I would like to offer 50 million ISK to whoever brings me Elsebeth Rhiannon's corpse. The sellers name will be kept secret if he wishes so.
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T4R4
Gallente QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 21:30:00 -
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Heya Tassi :D
I wouldn't dream of getting that anywhere else other than from you ;)
So can I come pew pew with you guys sometime, and not get shot? It's been awhile since i've shot any NMTZ!
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: T4R4
So can I come pew pew with you guys sometime, and not get shot?
Anytime, hun.
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Frogzuk
Dragonian Freelancers
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:24:00 -
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nice post tassi
go give em hell infod !
froggy
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.26 15:45:00 -
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Gentlemen, it seems that the rats are leaving the sinking boat.
Quote: 2007.03.26 10:53 The war between Matari Fleet Recon and Infinitus Odium is coming to an end. Matari Fleet Recon has retracted the war against Infinitus Odium. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
Matari Fleet Recon corporation joined NMTZ not long ago, now they left? To much pressure Betty?
I would like to point out that INFOD is willing to offer deals for everyone. Remember, INFOD got wardecced, INFOD is the victim. However, we are not unforgiving. Everyone can make a mistake, just accept it and get over it guys.
Do not hesitate to contact any INFOD member/representative. We are here for your right of free business!
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.30 13:24:00 -
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Quote: 2007.03.29 23:17 Infinitus Odium has declared war on 5th Column. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
I can't wait to crush the pilots of this alliance who for too long have been hiding behind those annoying sentry guns. - BOOST OUTLAWS (-10.0 and proud of it) |
Verone
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.02 12:03:00 -
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Hmmm... Pirates vs the Anti Pirates eh?
Looks interesting, over in Molden Heath...
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Hmmm... Pirates vs the Anti Pirates eh?
Looks interesting, over in Molden Heath...
We prefer to be called "general evildoers", but it is pretty much the same.
However, if you guys wanna join the fun, give me a shout and I can fill you in with the important stuff.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.04.02 12:24:00 -
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Cheers, Verone. Interesting times, yes.
As a friendly word of warning: while your criminal ways for sure would fit the company, let me assure you INFOD is way beneath you in class and style. For your own sanity and your reputation as a gentleman-despite-it-all, don't get involved with them. On any side of the conflict.
Fly far, and stay away, ok? :) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now. |
Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Fly far, and stay away, ok? :)
I can only agree with Elsebeth here.
Getting involved with our bunch of white bearded, rum drinking, bi-curious group of "evildoers" can only cause damage to your reputation.
It is also possible that you end up in one of those reputation destroying Lock n Load videos in which you see INFOD killing puppies.
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Grant Smith on 02/04/2007 13:26:36
Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Cheers, Verone. Interesting times, yes.
As a friendly word of warning: while your criminal ways for sure would fit the company, let me assure you INFOD is way beneath you in class and style. For your own sanity and your reputation as a gentleman-despite-it-all, don't get involved with them. On any side of the conflict.
Fly far, and stay away, ok? :)
Dear Elsebeth,
Following our recent talks I will not commit acts of discriminating nature, what I will say though, is that stating INFOD is "way beneath Veto in style and class" is somewhat "incorrect". The only similarity between INFOD and Veto., if it not be the fact that both lived down Evati direction, is that they both consist of pirates. Veto. and INFOD have completely different players, different tactics, different senses of humour, and you know what i'm talking about when I state that.
Ok, so unfortunately our "sense of humour" doesn't fall in sync with ours, and so perhaps Veto. is a much more respectable corp than INFOD in your view of things, but I'd like to make it distinctly obvious that this is your oppinion.
I have respect for Veto., and I personally do not rank INFOD to Veto. or visa-versa. Both are pirate corporations, both having fun, just in different manner.
Verone: If you want to come over mate, feel free, sooner we can rid MH of NMTZ the better.
'Arr ---
G o> INFOD Director.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.04.02 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 02/04/2007 13:57:29 I must clarify here that I was talking to Verone personally, here, and that I was here like in case FUCO comparing only the style and class of conduct, not any kind of shade of evil or effectiveness in criminal acts.
I have no real experience with Veto corporation (nor a wish to acquire any), and I have zero interest in trying to "rate" or "rank" pirate corporations into an order of evilness. A pirate is who pirate does, so to speak.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:10:00 -
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I would like to remind you that Infinitus Odium is in no way a pirate organisation.
Pirates kill people in low security space to earn money. Pirate: Kill hauler -> take loot -> sell loot -> buy exotic dancer
Infinitus Odium, contrary to what most people think, does not operate in this way.
INFOD members kill people in low security space to destroy their precious ships. INFOD member: kill hauler -> kill pod -> take loot (this step is not mandatory) -> somehow aquire money -> somehow buy exotic dancers with the somehow acquired money.
This schemata suits INFOD like a 2 billion ISK Armani suit. This schemata is also the reason why the standard "anti-pirate" measures to destroy us do not work.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:17:00 -
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I should clarify that the way I personally use the term "pirate" has drifted from the arcane use of "someone killing ships for the money" to the more usual pilot usage of (roughly) "someone killing ships without provocation in an area where the local sovereignty does not condone such actions, outside of a contest for sovereignty".
In all fairness, I have no idea if INFOD fits the former meaning, as I have not discussed and have no wish to discuss their motivations for the murder and mayhem they cause. That they without any provocation attack and destroy neutral ships, including peacefult traders and hunters, in Molden Heath (Republic sovereignty) is a generally known fact that they themselves also brag with, however.
My apologies if the terminology has been unclear.
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:23:00 -
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As a pirate myself, i generally use the term in relation to any player of whom "commits unconsensual yet illegal acts of violance upon another player".
Whether you do it for ISK, for killmail, for killpoints, for fun, for the corpse to have your mysterious ways with it, its piracy. That INCLUDES shooting -ve targets in lowsec of whom you are NOT AT WAR WITH. Like it or not, shooting a -5 player is piracy. ---
G o> INFOD Director.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
In all fairness, I have no idea if INFOD fits the former meaning, as I have not discussed and have no wish to discuss their motivations for the murder and mayhem they cause. That they without any provocation attack and destroy neutral ships, including peacefult traders and hunters, in Molden Heath (Republic sovereignty) is a generally known fact that they themselves also brag with, however.
I have stopped to count how often I have said to people that anyone who wishes to be friendly with INFOD can contact INFOD leadership.
It is fairly easy to get positive standings with Infinitus Odium. Either you provide us something that we want or you simply pay us, that is all. No politics, no talking behind backs, it is really that simple.
However, it is shocking to say the least that nearly none is smart enough to use the opportunity and become friendly to INFOD. Afterall, everyone knows who really is pulling the strings in Molden Heath.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 02/04/2007 14:32:03 I both agree and differ on that, Grant Smith.
I disagree on the shooting of pirates being piracy in general. People who attack others unprovoked and corporations who allow that give the signal that they consider it quite ok to do so, and thus invite others to do the same to them. (And if they think they or their corpmates should be allowed to gank people, but people should not be allowed to gank them, they deserve to be ganked for that stupidity alone. )
Whether it follows you can consider people below a a certain security status guilty until proven innocent is a stickier matter. I agree, it is not clear that sec status alone constitutes proof about piracy, even though it is often a very good indication.
NMTZ has taken the stance that the limit is at -5, but they always negotiate with people who approach them with a believable explanation for the low sec status, setting to positive and "off the menu" ex-pirates, pirate hunters, and so forth, despite the negative status. They have been known to err to the side of caution in this, a couple of times missing intelligence and setting (temporarily, and with retaliation when the fraud was found out ;)) known pirates to off the menu while they look into the matter.
I think that proves the -5 is for NMTZ not a general lisence to gank people, but just a rule of thumb to use as part of the process of figuring out who is a criminal and who is not.
EDITED to add: asking for money or services so that you do not shoot neutrals is extortion and quite the same level of criminal behaviour as piracy without offering the chance for ransom or protection money, apart from the case of doing so in a zero security area where you control the territory.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon asking for money or services so that you do not shoot neutrals is extortion and quite the same level of criminal behaviour as piracy without offering the chance for ransom or protection money, apart from the case of doing so in a zero security area where you control the territory.
It is extortion, it is protection money business.
However, you need to see that INFOD is trying to establish a secure Molden Heath for anyone and anything. INFOD is not going to limit its society to "anti-piracy" when it is established.
To ensure the security of the future Molden Heath, certain unworthy entities will have to be cleansed from our acre, to ensure an unhindered growth of the new found society.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 02/04/2007 14:39:27
Originally by: Tassi However, you need to see that INFOD is trying to establish a secure Molden Heath for anyone and anything. INFOD is not going to limit its society to "anti-piracy" when it is established.
Anyone and anything who pays you. That's where we differ, and that's why there cannot be peace between us.
I think this discussion is not going anywhere...
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Anyone and anything who is friendly with you. That's where we differ, and that's why there cannot be peace between us.
I corrected it for you and as long as you are not friendly to Infinitus Odium, there will of course be not a single minute of peace.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:06:00 -
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Well, if that is indeed the case, there is a simple solution to this war, Tassi: INFOD agrees not to shoot at people without provocation in the Minmatar regions, and to not ask for money or services for that. No need to unfriendliness, if all you want to do is to not shoot at people...
I am sure the NMTZ and allied diplomats are eagerly waiting for your contact on that matter.
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Well, if that is indeed the case, there is a simple solution to this war, Tassi: INFOD agrees not to shoot at people without provocation in the Minmatar regions, and to not ask for money or services for that. No need to unfriendliness, if all you want to do is to not shoot at people...
I am sure the NMTZ and allied diplomats are eagerly waiting for your contact on that matter.
Please dont misconstrue what I'm about to say with smacktalk, however this reply in particular implys that you are offering INFOD a way out of the war. Perhaps I read it wrong but it does sound like surrender terms. Even though NMTZ are technically the agressors i think i speak for my corp when I say we won't be backing out of this war under your conditions.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.04.02 15:24:00 -
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I did not mean it like that, Wardog, my apologies.
What I meant is that if one takes what Tassi is saying at face value, not counting into it what one knows of INFOD as pirates and extortionists, it sounds like this whole war is a misunderstanding, as INFOD want nothing more than safe and open access to all nice people into Molden Heath. If this indeed is so, I am sure the misunderstanding can be corrected, and that the NMTZ diplomats and leaders are eager to do so.
I could add I do not consider this scenario very likely, with what I know of INFOD. But weirder things have happened.
Please also note that I am not, and have never been, in a position in NMTZ to offer conditions on surrender, to issue war declarations, or make other decisions of that nature. Currently, I am merely the secretary to the council; I do not make decisions, I just make notes and make things public. Even as the primary diplomat I did not have the authority to dictate policy, only to execute it.
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