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Tassi Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.19 08:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Tassi on 19/03/2007 08:41:23 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon "why the ** did you dec INFOD", by all means do answer: We saw them moving in and decided to try and stop them from becoming a major force. Now the fact is, also other MH-SEC leaders knew of these movements. They could have done the same choice, and together we would be stronger. They decided not to, which is their call, but the belief that had we not started this, INFOD would have just moved to Hegfunden to become peaceful miners is not really very close to reality. INFOD is in Hegfunden. INFOD is a major force. INFOD is kicking your butts. It seems that the other MH-SEC leaders were smarter than NMTZ. I actually wonder if they would be interested in our Safetypass program? However, this little quote shows exactly what damage INFOD has already caused. It is just a matter of time until NMTZ will struggle under INFOD's pressure. I would also like to point out that NMTZ is a big bunch of diplomatic carebears that just act for their own benefit, contrary to what most people think. High member of NMTZ, Elsebeth Rhiannon confirmed that NMTZ is actually operating with a NBSI policy, just like INFOD does: Originally by:** Jaden Brock Unsure if this is the proper place, but here is an ROE question. After reading the Threat Assessment thread, I was wondering how we handle certain things. For example, attacking mining barges, industrials, and logistical transport ships is normally considered Piracy. However, is attacking the logistics ships of known Pirate organizations and those hostile to NMTZ considered Piracy? Originally by: DuPuy RED STANDING = all their ships and operations are valid targets. These are confirmed enemies of NMTZ through sanctioned piracy. By destroying their industrial supplies, we reduce their ability to pirate Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Just to clarify: you can shoot on neutral people who clearly work for war targets, without waiting for a standings change. NMTZ accepts that their pilots conduct criminal acts against corporations which are on the red list. This is exactly how INFOD operates aswell. Them claiming to have higher moral standards than INFOD is just ridiculous. But how did NMTZ establish the common opinion of them having higher moral standards? The opinion of them being the good? This again lies in their non-combat philosophy and mass diplomacy. Our gathered intel shows that NMTZ is establishing diplomatic contacts with nearly EVERY entity there is in eve. NMTZ uses their diplomatic powers and trust me this is the only thing they do right to screw over the relationships of entities. NMTZ is definitly playing cheap tricks on all entities that are based in molden heath and the great wildlands. One of their dirty strategies is to diplomaticly isolate corporations that are not friendly to NMTZ or MH-SEC. This is how the whole INFOD - NMTZ thingy started. Molden heath is controlled by a secret diplomatic carebear society called Molden Heath Security (MH-SEC). These people claim to be "anti-pirates" but still they engage in criminal activity, even WITHIN sentry range. MH-SEC prevents "pirate" corporations to do business in Molden Heath but judging by their own definition of piracy they are pirates aswell. So how is this remotely fair to anyone that has a different opinion about business than NMTZ or MH-SEC? It is NOT fair. This is why INFOD keeps on fighting for your right of free business in Molden heath and everywhere. My little fairy also told me that there is serious trouble between NMTZ and smeggy! Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Smeggy's plan is to wait for INFOD to dec 5thC?! That's insanely stupid. Why would they, when they have a war with us? Someone once quoted me Smeggy saying that he actually likes it how NMTZ acts as the war-dec magnet to keep 5thC safe. I thought that just a misquote of a joke or a malicious tongue, but I am not so certain now. It actually is very simple smeggy, you pay us and you will not be wardecced.
Tassi Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.19 08:43:00 - [2] Every corporation in Molden Heath can contact INFOD and we will work out a price to stop you from losing precious ships. For the right price we can also do some mercenary duty. Enough with the self-promotion. Back to the war facts: NMTZ is crumbling badly. They are losing ship after ship and now they also start to worry about their POS's ^^ Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi one of the problems I see with this war...aside from we seem to be planning as we go along rather than having such in place and defined beforehand etc...is that initial losses have been so high for some people that now they cannot afford to fly/fit a ship...thus we are weakening our combat strength by degrees. Some of us can afford to fly bs etc..and even replace them when lost..and fighting INFOD needs BS..but even to those of us that a re well off...forking out 100 mill every other day is a drain on resources..and pity the people who can't afford to replace their ships. High rank NMTZ member on the initial war battle: Originally by: Haceldema As an observer i'd like to add the following: INFOD immediately gained the upper hand by jumping into our fleet. They can use the 30s post cloak time to allow initial lag to stabilise, pre-select primary for when they uncloak, have their uber tanked ships uncloak first forcing them to become our primary and making our primary caller have a bloody headache. Also with a heavy tanked ship decloaking first they could preselect and lock as they uncloak to set remote reps on them. In alot of engagements i've seen with INFOD they take the initiative and jump in on us to get the advantage. Their hangars are getting dry so now NMTZ introduced a new "petition what you can!" policy: Originally by: Hazor Dris I think it just needs to be stated at least, I'm not sure if anybody has done this...we need to make sure to petition every single loss where there is ANY doubt whatsoever that lag or game mechanics were playing a factor in the loss...I have been checking INFOD's killboard and several BS have been returned to them through petitions, including ships from the huge lagfest at the beginning of the war. We can also benefit from this same process, so I repeat, if you have ANY doubt then petition, worse that can happen is they say no. Another wet stain on Elsebeth's white blouse. Logoffski is also allowed in NMTZ, are these people REALLY the good guys? Quote: Ashrai > ignore the INFOD smack in local, I had to log Hacel off in his carrier as he undocked, fugging station bumping him away and stopping him from aligning Molden heath I am back and I will close with the words of a NMTZ member, none can put INFOD in a better light than him. Originally by: Souvera Corvus about INFOD You only have to look at their killboard (losses understated) and the comments therein (Noob, retard etc) to realise that we are dealing with the lowest common denominator in the capsuleer community. They lack any sort of command of language and it's reflected in their public persona. Im gonna wet your blouse until I can see your nipples Betty.
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 09:22:00 - [3] Bloody good read Tassi! Might wanna give it a title though.
Grant Smith Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 09:29:00 - [4] Very well said, and put into a very true, unexaggerated relation to how it actually is. --- G o> INFOD Director.
Tassi Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.19 10:22:00 - [5] Originally by: Flaming sambuka Might wanna give it a title though. Done, some volunteer *** must have changed it.
Diicc Tater Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.03.19 10:38:00 - [6] Much love for INFOD. We miss ya. Sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me!
Aslann Gallente Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 10:53:00 - [7] Originally by: Tassi Originally by: Flaming sambuka Might wanna give it a title though. Done, some volunteer * must have changed it. ** THERES A DEV IN NAMTZ RUN FOR THE HILLSSS!!
Roaden Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 10:56:00 - [8] Good reading :) Well put Tassi
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:01:00 - [9] Tassi why you not in INFOD yet hummmm?
Tassi Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Flaming sambuka Tassi why you not in INFOD yet hummmm? 3 hours stasis period left, app is in. However you should know that none can leave the church anyway so I was never 100% gone

The Yzzerman Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:11:00 - [11] Go Infod Go
Swanger Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:29:00 - [12] Namatz'aar Kin we are coming for you. You may have started this war but we will most certainly finish it. Tassi has shown by their own words that NMTZ is NO different than INFOD. In fact as proven by their own statements, they are much worse than INFOD. Any corporations desiring friendly relations with INFOD are asked to provide no support or assistance to the Namatz'aar Kin. As a friendly reminder please note INFOD operates on a NBSI policy.
DaMiGe Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:29:00 - [13] Tassi, why not tell the community about te "rifters for victory" program Namtz has running. (free rifters for members to fight infod) i was R O F L for atleast 30 minutes. ---> My vids <--- latest movie = DaMiGe Control 1
Atreides Horza Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:35:00 - [14] Edited by: Atreides Horza on 19/03/2007 11:34:21 Well... With me being the lowest common denominator and all, without any command of language whatsoever, I couldn't even begin to decode the diplomatic mumbo-jumbo behind this war. Here's one thing that makes me wonder, though: All you 5th Column guys... WTF are you thinking? Fight piracy if you will. Fight BoB if that's your thing. Fight anything you want - but fight with your heart and soul, and for something you believe in. What did the numpties give you in return for the billion+ of ships you've lost so far? Speeches about greatness and glory? Grand promises of protecting the weak and ridding the world of evil? Where is all your warrior-poet haiku-writing amarrian roleplayer friends while your ships are melting? They cower behind their cloaks at every gate, crawling behind you like some twisted little Igor with an attitude and let you guys take a beating that looks more like twelve rounds of Tyson vs James Blunt than an actual war. Their carrier pilot logoffskis from the fight and even has the egg-shaped skinsacks to sit around and watch the rest of you being turned into salvage. If I was him, I would have crawled out from whatever rock he was hiding under and at the very least apologized to you guys for leaving you out to dry. I bet he didn't even do that, did he? I bet he gave you an arrogant speech about how he'd OWN in his l33tm0bile while you guys were busy fitting the frigates they gave you in return for your blood. "Rifters for victory-programme"... LoL ... You boys best watch out that cult don't go all Jonestown on you. If I were you guys, fighting phoes of the 5th, I'd be popping NMTZ instead of suiciding my ships on a daily basis while they sit around docked preaching honor and code. If not for their cowardice and in the name of straight-up darwinism, then at least for getting some of your expenses covered.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.19 12:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 19/03/2007 12:34:58 I will answer to this once. This is not addressed to INFOD; this is addressed to those who oppose to piracy. When INFOD tells you they moved back to MH just because we declared them, and that we are causing them to attack you, ask yourselves these questions: 1) if they have no quarrel with you, why exactly are they shooting you and/or your assets? 2) based on what you know of them, do you seriously believe they left CA and moved back to MH to become peaceful miners? 3) in all the history behind us, who do you think is more likely to lie to you, us or them? 4) who wins if the antipirate forces in MH listen to INFOD here, and do not fight together? Do not fall for obvious traps. Not in space, and not in your minds. For the record, the reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated... again. This thread will be ignored from now on. If there are actual questions or concerns, please feel free to convo or evemail myself or any of the NMTZ representatives anytime. (EDIT: I can spell, too.) -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient now.
50freefly Caldari Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.19 12:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 19/03/2007 12:34:58 I will answer to this once. This is not addressed to INFOD; this is addressed to those who oppose to piracy. When INFOD tells you they moved back to MH just because we declared them, and that we are causing them to attack you, ask yourselves these questions: 1) if they have no quarrel with you, why exactly are they shooting you and/or your assets? 2) based on what you know of them, do you seriously believe they left CA and moved back to MH to become peaceful miners? 3) in all the history behind us, who do you think is more likely to lie to you, us or them? 4) who wins if the antipirate forces in MH listen to INFOD here, and do not fight together? Do not fall for obvious traps. Not in space, and not in your minds. For the record, the reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated... again. This thread will be ignored from now on. If there are actual questions or concerns, please feel free to convo or evemail myself or any of the NMTZ representatives anytime. (EDIT: I can spell, too.) QFT. Free trade. Lol. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:07:00 - [17] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon For the record, the reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated... again. If you say so , anyone can visit our killboard - google it...
Liisa Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:20:00 - [18] We of The Church are a pround people. We prefer to fight for our freedoms than to cower before a monocratic authority that wishes to close portions of the EVE universe to those it deems "less than worthy." You, the leadership of Namtz, are the ones who wished to impose you imperial order on us, who tried to enslave our will, to force us away from our chosen home. You despotic nature closed all doors, took away all options other than to take up arms against you. And ships, weapons and ammunition cost money. Being simple and humble serfs, we live off the land we live in. We offered very reasonable rates in order to insure the safety of those around us, but alas, not all accepted them. We then started to offer our gate tax specials: "Your isk or your ship," but our very fair requests were spit upon. Now we must offer our infamous "two for one" deals to all who pass through our space (Your ship and your life), but we feel coerced, nay enslaved, to do this by your absolutist and tyrannical actions. We must admit that not all of our actions are of the whitest white, but we know that some sacrifices must be made by the general public when the goal is noble and true. To the pilots of Namtz'r'nubs: pull down from the throne of evil those leaders who have forced you onto a path that forces those who wish to help you transform Molden Heath into a true Garden of Eden as preached by The Church to have to destroy everything you have sought to build up. We offer our hand to you friendship and peace (for a modest fee, of course). ----------------------------------
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon 1) if they have no quarrel with you, why exactly are they shooting you and/or your assets? 2) based on what you know of them, do you seriously believe they left CA and moved back to MH to become peaceful miners? 3) in all the history behind us, who do you think is more likely to lie to you, us or them? 4) who wins if the antipirate forces in MH listen to INFOD here, and do not fight together? Do not fall for obvious traps. Not in space, and not in your minds. For the record, the reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated... again. This thread will be ignored from now on. Oh here comes Betty with her charming diplomatic phrases and spinning of words. I am going to tell you what Betty. 1) We are shooting you because you are not blue. As I already mentioned there are plenty ways to get blue standings with INFOD. Common way is to pay us. Its about the money, it always has been and will always be about money. Guess why these MH-SEC puppets are occupying hedal and surrounding systems? To farm missions 24/7, its all about the ISK. 2)We are no miners. We are sharks, always have been, always will be. However, there is an easy way to buy you out. There is also an easy way to hire us. $$ are your friends. 3)Well little Betty. How about you name 1 incidenct on which I lied to a customer/enemy? Only name 1 incident and I will no longer stalk you. On the other side I can name VARIOUS occasions on which NMTZ lied. Mainly on their diplomatic table. MH-SEC and NMTZ are made of lies, lies about you being "anti-pirates". Lies of you winning this war. Hell, just read my quotes in my first post. You even lie to your friends. 4)"Anti-pirate" forces? How often do I have to explain and PROVE with leaked intel that those "anti-pirates" do exactly work how INFOD does? 2 ways. You pay us and receive one of the best killing machines in EVE as friends or you well ... lose ships. The only trap I have seen in molden heath so far is the diplomatical carebear net that was spun by NMTZ and MH-SEC, thinking you all people would just swallow what they say. Buy our Safetypasses and sponsor the war against the carebear diplomats NOW! INFOD is undefeated. We have never lost, never will. Denny Crane. oooops Tassi I mean. thank you.
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 13:52:00 - [20] Good read, Tassi. Gives us another valid reason to kick their ass. ---

U'puauht Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 14:27:00 - [21] Edited by: U''puauht on 19/03/2007 14:27:47 Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon I will answer to this once. This is not addressed to INFOD; this is addressed to those who oppose to piracy. So this is addressed to your own members in Namtz'aar k'in then, as well as your friends at 5th Column, as well as INFOD and all other corporations and individuals who shoot neutrals? Just asking to clarify, since you also said this: Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Just to clarify: you can shoot on neutral people who clearly work for war targets, without waiting for a standings change. Which boils down to: "if you shoot a neutral pilot based on the assumption he or she is working for or with INFOD, it's all sweet and dandy." Or in other words: "Go pirate all you want, if you're caught just claim it was someone working for INFOD." Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon When INFOD tells you they moved back to MH just because we declared them, and that we are causing them to attack you, ask yourselves these questions: Now, see, I'm new in the corp, but from all that I could gather, INFOD didn't move to Molden Heath because you declared war on them; but even if I missed the corp mail that stated this as the reason, if you think about it for half a second, it makes sense: INFOD is a PVP corp. You provided with free-of-charge targets (no sec hits). Why would we not decide to move into "your" back yard for exactly that reason? It would be such a waste of targets, don't you think?! Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon 1) if they have no quarrel with you, why exactly are they shooting you and/or your assets? Because The Church is collecting taxes. You call it piracy, we call it The Tithe ... I think our way of putting it sounds so much nicer, and it helps a good cause, too: we train the locals in vigilance, we hone their battle skills, we prepare them for the life in space that is not patrolled by CONCORD. We are truly free pilots, and we are offering that freedom to everyone ... and all that for nothing more than The Tithe. (Please also see our special offers as mentioned by Liisa.) Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon 2) based on what you know of them, do you seriously believe they left CA and moved back to MH to become peaceful miners? See, now we're on the same level and I fully agree. Whoever believes INFOD left CA and moved to Molden Heath to become miners, peaceful or not, needs their heads checked. Be real guys, this woman will touch no Miner ... except maybe Tassi's Modified Strip Miner II, if you catch my drift. Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon 3) in all the history behind us, who do you think is more likely to lie to you, us or them? Allow me to be blunt: we in The Church have nothing to gain from lying to anyone, in fact, our every day's work would be put to the greatest risks if we were not as honest and straight-forward with anyone we encounter during Tithe Harvesting. After all, who would want to pay The Tithe if we didn't hold up our end of the deal? So, in short and using logical deduction: since INFOD has nothing to gain from lying it can be said that we are absolutely unlikely to lie to anyone willing to listen to The Church's preachings of a better Molden Heath ... and thus is can also be said with certainty that it is more likely that Namtz'aar k'in will lie to residents of Molden Heath and other places frequented by members of The Church. Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon 4) who wins if the antipirate forces in MH listen to INFOD here, and do not fight together? Now, given your own stance on "piracy" as quoted above, let me put that question back at you: who wins if the antipirate forces in Molden Heath listen to Namtz'aar k'in here, and do not fight together? But then again, in both cases the real question is: what is more thrilling, an extension to dull and bleak CONCORD patrolled space under Namtz'aar k'in reign, or the wilderness adventure trips sponsored and provided by The Church? In closing words: I nearly broke the space with this post. Edit: Grammar. ____________________ Wood-legged, eye-patched, parrot-on-the-shoulder Priest of The Church

Karass Sayfo Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.03.19 14:40:00 - [22] Please remember that this is an In-Character roleplay forum. Continued OOC usage will result in moderation and/or locking of the thread. _______ forum rules \| IGS rules \| CAOD rules \| [email protected]

Ragnar6 Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 15:17:00 - [23] Confess NMTZ! ...or the INFOD Church will come and purify you again and again...
Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 17:27:00 - [24] The reason why you declared us, was because you thought INFOD was weak when it moved back to Hegfunden. This was your mistake, because we have been getting stronger and stronger over the last few weeks. I mean - what were you thinking - INFOD currently has no battleships, and we can go pwn them straight away? That would have worked if you guys accetually showed up at Hegfunden, but we were on your front porch an hour before the war kicked off. I don`t know about you guys, but I`m very interested why you provoked us to attack you. We would have come visit you anyway after our return to Hegfunden, but you took the initiative here. snip for OOC - Karass Sayfo ---
Don Carn'age Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 17:50:00 - [25] The church will redeem your souls. The church will cleanse your souls. Proof or Stfu
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.03.19 21:49:00 - [26] Shooting a 'neutral' targets helping war targets =! NBSI policy. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Aariss Amarr Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.19 22:30:00 - [27] Why did Namtz war dec INFOD?.. why has this so called pact of alliances called MH-SEC done nothing to protect the innocent but actually fueled the fire that is burning across Molden Heath? Why is Tassi so irresistable!!! Why why why.. Oh i know why.... but do your allies know?
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.20 09:08:00 - [28] If it is true that NMTZ planned to kick us while we were down then maybe they should have thought a little deeper. Why would we be weak on return from CA (well ex-CA space now), we had spent the last couple months getting our wallets fat from killing countless rats in Curse. We come back wanting to put our isk to good use and NMTZ found us the solution, for free!
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.20 13:10:00 - [29] My little fairies in NMTZ ranks were able to interrupt even more critical conversation in NMTZ. Originally by: DuPuy Yes, the fight does not go particularly well for us. Questions are being asked - often based on INFOD taunting in local chat - about why we went to war, why we won't fight etc... Get this straight: these are the taunts used in every conflict. I believe the best counter to propaganda is straight talk. It cuts the ground out from under the crap. WHY WE WENT TO WAR We have been scouting Egbinger/Hegfunden/Aedald heavily for more than a month. INFODs old home base was virtually abandoned, with some of our own pilots considering basing themselves out of there. Then, about five days before our war declaration, we noticed a sudden - but irregular - increase in INFOD traffic... warships and transports... from 0.0 back towards Hegfunden. Attempts to find out what this meant produced the following intel: - INFOD was about to quit Curse Alliance - That they had just begun to move back to Molden Heath - That they had some internal division etc due to their 0.0 "experiment" and player defections - That they intended to "bash" NMTZ for "old times's sake" This was confirmed when, four days later, INFOD quit Curse. My call to declare war was an attempt to utilise the plans, prepositioning, preparations such as complete bookmarks sets etc we had carefully laid for Humpty to "pre-empt" INFOD. To disrupt their movements and make them move before they were prepared. Straight talk is best against propaganda you say? I will keep on my straight talking than. This clearly(!) shows that NMTZ started this war as a preemtive strike based on vague intel. Seriously, you really base your decisions on SUCH intel? snip for OOC. - Karass Sayfo INFOD was going back to Hegfunden to build up its membership and assets. NMTZ initiated a war declaration on vague intel, a preemptive strike against an ememy that was on its knees. I bet you regret it now, eh? I definitly can't get enough of NMTZ bashing on their so called "friends". This goes mainly against 5th column and MH-SEC. Originally by: Xhanserbal The main problem is if you sit in local and mh-sec and you see "NMTZ: wtf did you dec infod", "Where are NMTZ", "Come out and fight" blah blah blah. Ignore these communication channels they are not the alliance and dont know what the alliance is doing. Fight the war the way we want to fight the war, do what we want to do and ignore outside influence. So NMTZ is ordering their members to not listen to their friends. Because what you here call "outside influence" are 5h column and MH-SEC, which are supposed to be your friends. Or are those guys just your friends if it suits your diplomatic fungus? NMTZ has long abandonded MH-SEC. Their diplomatic fungus is probably trying to get a grip on Electus Matari to help them out?
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.20 14:28:00 - [30] Edited by: Godar Marak on 20/03/2007 14:25:16 Quote: Originally by: DuPuyYes My call to declare war was an attempt to utilise the plans, prepositioning, preparations such as complete bookmarks sets etc we had carefully laid for Humpty to "pre-empt" INFOD. To disrupt their movements and make them move before they were prepared. Wow, that has to be the most stupid plan I have ever gotten to know. DuPuyYes should have stalled for time. (not that I think it would have mattered) -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?



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