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Helix Fluxx
Caldari
Contempo Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:25:00 -
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Not sure if here is the best place for this, but I have a question I need answering.
I'm CEO of a small ammo manufacturing corporation. I rent an office from Caldari Navy a few jumps from Jita. Usually the rent has been around the 3million ISK mark, and it's fluctuated a bit over the past 10 months or so. The problem I have now is that the rent suddenly jumped to over 10 Million ISK this month.
Why? I know there's something in the mechanics about increasing rent if there's a lot of offices taken in the station, but does that really warrant a triplefold rent increase? Is this figure going to drop off again or is it going to stay sky high? Also, why does corporation standing not seem to affect the rent cost at all? Surely it should mean something other than what agents you can access?
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Devian 666
Ocean Dynamics
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.19 22:28:00 -
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My understanding (I might be wrong) is that there has been an increase in office prices to encourage people spread out across empire more. I have head of a lot of rent tripling.
I understand that rent is also affected by the popularity of the station so there may be an increase in usage that is affecting your rent.
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Lab Technician071548
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Posted - 2007.03.19 22:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Devian 666
My understanding (I might be wrong) is that there has been an increase in office prices to encourage people spread out across empire more. I have head of a lot of rent tripling.
I understand that rent is also affected by the popularity of the station so there may be an increase in usage that is affecting your rent.
Your second point actually supports the first. Popular station rents go up in order to drive people out into less popular spaces.
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Helix Fluxx
Caldari
Contempo Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.20 02:29:00 -
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It's Nonni, a 0.5 sec system in Lonetrek. I have seen a slight upsurge in numbers in local since they rejigged the Jita gateways and killed off mining there. I'm still a small corp with a low turnover, so 10 mill a month is going to be eating my profits up very quickly.
I hope it's not once again, as with so many other things in the game, one of these things where the rich get richer and those trying to make a place in the universe get stuck at the bottom of the pile.
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:01:00 -
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We just had our rent go from 12 mil to 54 mil and now to 241 mil. in 3 months time... Something seams a bit fishy here tbh.
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Helix Fluxx
Caldari
Contempo Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aelena Thraant
We just had our rent go from 12 mil to 54 mil and now to 241 mil. in 3 months time... Something seams a bit fishy here tbh.
Assuming you're referring only to your officially listed corporate HQ, there must be something very very wrong there. Sounds to me like either the NPC corp owning that station has had stupidly high rents set;
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Someone is exploiting that game mechanic by renting a load of offices all in one go, under various alts, etc, and I'd be highly tempted to petition an office rent at that level, just to get CCP to look into what's going on.
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Jeramon Castro
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Posted - 2007.03.20 05:45:00 -
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Considering office rent right next door to Jita is 6mil, something very fishy is going on,
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Lurtz
Caldari
Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:42:00 -
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Nonni has a large number of stations (more than any other system)
Several of these are Kaalakiota with R&D agents.
It is not surprising with invention changes, offices/labs/factories in Nonni would be popular.
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Michael Caldar
DangerZone Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:16:00 -
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It looks like there's a very popular agent in that station. Say, Oisio has 2 Cali Navy stations. One is a home to a level 4 agent with rents in millions of ISK per month. Another - a lowly level 1 agent with the rent of just 10K per month. Still a Cali Navy station - with all the trimmings - but cheap... Look around man, a daily in-system indy/freighter run might be on the cards but if you're not happy with the rent - what else is there? 
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Helix Fluxx
Caldari
Contempo Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:17:00 -
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That's fair enough I suppose, but why are people seeing rents shooting up to over 200 million a month? I'm sure most 0.0 alliances don't charge that much for an office.
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shuckstar
Gallente
Order of New Blood
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:18:00 -
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Hmmm yeah the renting system i dont understand, i rented a office in aunia 1 station so knew was gonna be a bit of isk, 42mill a month. I think ok thats not bad considering i can build have lvl2 3 and 4 agents in station. Slowly as my corp is getting bigger the rents are going down 21mill and last month was 16 mill. Is rent you are charged got anything to do with corpstandings to Faction that own your station? That is the only reason to think why the rent is just going down for my corporation as our standings get better.
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Banlish
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 17:46:00 -
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o/ @ shuckster
Having had litterally dozens upon dozens of offices at one point in our history, I got to know what happens with them and why.
1. All stations have certain office "limits" just like outposts, some have 10 offices, others 15, some 30. It all depends upon the station (unless they changed this).
2. The more corps renting towards the limits of a station, the higher the rent will go. Just like in real life, if 250 people want to rent an apartment in a building with 50 apartments the landlord will raise the rent whenever he/she can to take advantage of it.
However, from what I've seen, if a corp doesn't renew it's office rent and lets the office go. The costs do not drop, they remain high, if someone picks up the office within a few days or weeks. Only when stations are empty for weeks and months have I seen the office rentals drop back down to the 10,000 ISK levels.
To Helix Fluxx:
Alot of corps are being displaced in the past months because of the wars, residents that no one ever heard of are going back to empire to 'reassess' their futures. This isn't a knock against them, it's just that when a corp goes back to empire, it's members don't just sit in a single station and mine/rat in a single system. Some go back to missioning, and others go back to large scale production.
Nonni is one of the few places outside of Jita/Ours/Rens/Amarr where people LOVE to go as a trade hub, 17 npc stations almost gaurantees that your going to find alot of items in system. So offices there tend to raise and fall in price all the time as corps use the system to make alot of ISK and finaly leave for 0.0.
If you want a good way to sort it all out, go look for a system in a nearby region. Look for number of belts and deadends without mission hubs or empire complex's in them. Usually what you find is an area of empire that most people ignore. The belts won't be as good as low sec, but they will usually be up for a few more days then in the hub systems. Find an office in a system with a good number of belts, let your miners go to work, and long as there is a factory somewhere between this office and where your going to sell your ammo, your fine. After all, minerals are alot less bulky then ammo.
Best thing at this point, train up a freighter, even an alt account with some cheap implants can get into an obelisk in as little as 45 days. And move your wares that way.
Sorry this got a little long, I always like to see new or younger corps do well 
And prepare yourself, when you go to 0.0, 50 mill a month *per* office out here is common.
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Aelena Thraant
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Helix Fluxx
Originally by: Aelena Thraant
We just had our rent go from 12 mil to 54 mil and now to 241 mil. in 3 months time... Something seams a bit fishy here tbh.
Assuming you're referring only to your officially listed corporate HQ, there must be something very very wrong there. Sounds to me like either the NPC corp owning that station has had stupidly high rents set;
OR
Someone is exploiting that game mechanic by renting a load of offices all in one go, under various alts, etc, and I'd be highly tempted to petition an office rent at that level, just to get CCP to look into what's going on.
Actually it is in 0.0 space... YZ-LQL I know some hostiles moved in an payed for all the open office spaces but still seams fishy that it would jump that much that fast.
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shuckstar
Gallente
Order of New Blood
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:45:00 -
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Hey Banlish 
Originally by: Banlish
However, from what I've seen, if a corp doesn't renew it's office rent and lets the office go. The costs do not drop, they remain high, if someone picks up the office within a few days or weeks. Only when stations are empty for weeks and months have I seen the office rentals drop back down to the 10,000 ISK levels.
Must be whats happening in aunia at moment
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 22/03/2007 14:52:17
Originally by: Helix Fluxx
That's fair enough I suppose, but why are people seeing rents shooting up to over 200 million a month? I'm sure most 0.0 alliances don't charge that much for an office.
If all offices are taken rent will keep on rising until two or more unrent, as which point itll drop. If nobody unrents then it'll rise a loonnggg time and quite fast too.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:44:00 -
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Aye if I remember right its something like :
0 free offices : rent increases by a % every week
1 free offices : rent stays where it is
2 free offices : rent decreases by a % every week
I think once upon a time it was something like 5% but it could be they have increased the % used for the rent increases a fair bit since then in an effort to try to spread people out a bit more, wouldn't be too surprised.
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