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Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:02:15 -
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Denngarr B'tarn wrote:Jump Freighters, Freighters, Orcas... what about these?
Orcas are Large hulls, not XLGÇöthey're battleship-sizedGÇöso it's highly unlikely they'll make them unable to dock where every other subcap can.
That said, this really is a silly change. It may have been a bug, but it's a bug that made sense. Industrial ships aren't as survivable as combat ships. Why not give them a break? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.20 16:56:08 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:I'm inordinately fond of miner tears and even I think this is unwarranted.
It's just more of the same, really. 'This is how we think you should be doing it, so we're going to force you to do it that way'. Small mining groups in lowsec can't afford a Fortizar, and even if they could, a Fortizar onlining in lowsec or NPC null is a big fat target.
Might as well have told the smaller mining groups "So you were feeling good about your small mining group managing to buy a Rorqual for boosts? Well, too bad. Go back to sitting in a POS (while we let you) and running a compression array. You're not allowed to use the shiny new toys."
There's literally no visible reason to push this through now, instead of waiting for the industrial complexes and drilling platforms. It's not like people are using Battle Rorquals en masse and then ducking into waiting astrahusen. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2257
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Posted - 2016.09.20 17:20:35 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:Zappity wrote:... the Rorqual is going to struggle enough as it is if you insist on making them immobile while boosting. Rorquals, post-change, will not require Sieging to be able to boost. They'll be getting a 4% per level boost to mining and a 3% per level boost to shields when outside of siege. Using the Industrial Core will increase their boosts by up to 25% (for the upcoming T2 Industrial Core). Arrendis wrote:
Orcas are Large hulls, not XLGÇöthey're battleship-sizedGÇöso it's highly unlikely they'll make them unable to dock where every other subcap can.
Freighers... ...are made with Capital Components. ...require Capital Ship Construction to build. ...were going to use XL Rigs before CCP went with Lows instead of Rigs on them. Really, the only thing that doesn't make them a Capital Ship is that you don't need Capital Ships to fly them. That's one single thing that makes them not capitals compared to three that do.
Emphasis added in my original statement.
The ORCAGÇöthe Large hull in questionGÇöis not a capital ship. It's not a freighter. It is an 'Industrial Command Ship' that takes the same rigs as a battleship.
I said nothing about freighters. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2260
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Posted - 2016.09.20 18:11:31 -
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Movilion wrote:And Carriers? Does anyone thinks about the Carriers?
So, a lot of drama about F, JF and Rorquals, but Carriers are Smaller than F and JF, and even smaller than some Battleships!;ok this is only visual, but... Even some Dreads are smaller than a J or JF, and non can dock in Astrahus.
Please, dont try to justify that Rorquals should be able to dock in Astrahus cause they are smaller than F and JF.
I think Rorquals should go as Carriers & Dreads, BUT as many people said if the new Industrial Structures are going to grant dock access to Rorquals, should be changed when those are release.
They've repeatedly said the carriers' size needs to be addressed. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2260
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Posted - 2016.09.20 18:57:50 -
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Commander Spurty wrote:Arrendis wrote:They've repeatedly said the carriers' size needs to be addressed. There's ZERO value in what people 'say'. It's what they do, which you judge them on.
So you say....  |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.20 19:41:02 -
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Siede Dunham wrote:we are talking about Null-sec alliances.
Also some wormholers. I know more than one group that built a rorqual in their C3/C4 for mining boosts.
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