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Professor Agony
Moon Moon United
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Posted - 2016.09.25 19:41:03 -
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We're almost through the last of the ugly Caldari ships, and the osprey is one of the few left that desperately needs a redesign. What's the point of repping my fleetmates if looking in my general direction is more damaging than any opponent could be? I'm running out of medium sized paper bags :/ |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
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Posted - 2016.09.25 19:45:58 -
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I know it's a personal thing, but I kind of hope CCP keep it ugly even after they redesign it.
Probably won't happen as they've been progressively making the Caldari more stealth looking and symmetrical.
Sometimes I miss the quirkiness of the old design, but not in a bitter way. I'm sure they'll get around to the Osprey and Bassilisk and make them sexy as hell so I'll want to fly Caldari.
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Professor Agony
Moon Moon United
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Posted - 2016.09.25 19:47:53 -
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I guess the moa was so ugly it started a trend. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2016.09.25 19:49:17 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:I know it's a personal thing, but I kind of hope CCP keep it ugly even after they redesign it.
I second this.
Nothing will make people remember a ship more than it being ass ugly. Bonus points if it is a "good" ship and ass ugly.
How did you Veterans start?
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Al Nomadi
Morawins
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Posted - 2016.09.25 19:55:00 -
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I vote for Imicus redesign ;) |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.09.25 21:04:40 -
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Making spaceships that look like aircraft that fly - something having to do with air pressure on airfoils
-items spaceships don't have to deal with as they involve this thing called "atmosphere".
But...it looks "cool". This takes anthropomorphism to a brave new height - Technoanthropomorphism.
It also shows your designers have read too many comic books.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden
Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2016.09.25 23:34:15 -
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I don't know about you guys, but I actually like the current look of the Osprey, even if its thrusters are boxes. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2016.09.25 23:47:23 -
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Bantam is worse by a long shot, osprey is mediocre. Really they should spend some time un-******* the few really dated cruiser hulls from other factions like the Omen, Rupture, Scythe etc. |
Heinrich Harkkon
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.26 03:07:37 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Making spaceships that look like aircraft that fly - something having to do with air pressure on airfoils
-items spaceships don't have to deal with as they involve this thing called "atmosphere".
But...it looks "cool". This takes anthropomorphism to a brave new height - Technoanthropomorphism.
It also shows your designers have read too many comic books.
It stands to reason that in an age of space travel, manufacturers would make their spacecraft look nice for the same reason that car manufacturers do today. The idea that spaceships would never be anything more than the bare minimum for functionality is pretty farcical.
"...The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is only matched by its hostility...I admire its purity.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.09.26 05:35:43 -
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I think we would rather get new ship models for Atron, Imicus, Navitas and Buzzard.
Reason? Because we already have seen concept arts for them.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.09.26 07:15:41 -
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Professor Agony wrote:We're almost through the last of the ugly Caldari ships, and the osprey is one of the few left that desperately needs a redesign. What's the point of repping my fleetmates if looking in my general direction is more damaging than any opponent could be? I'm running out of medium sized paper bags :/
Thanks for posting this, made me lol.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
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Posted - 2016.09.26 08:55:39 -
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Heinrich Harkkon wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Making spaceships that look like aircraft that fly - something having to do with air pressure on airfoils
-items spaceships don't have to deal with as they involve this thing called "atmosphere".
But...it looks "cool". This takes anthropomorphism to a brave new height - Technoanthropomorphism.
It also shows your designers have read too many comic books. It stands to reason that in an age of space travel, manufacturers would make their spacecraft look nice for the same reason that car manufacturers do today. The idea that spaceships would never be anything more than the bare minimum for functionality is pretty farcical.
Technically, designing 100% for practicality and completely ignoring cosmetics is specifically supposed to be the Caldari's way of design. The other factions, however, do have their own personal flair and a faction of religious zealots like the Amarr having engraved, golden chariots for ships isn't that much of a stretch. |
Heinrich Harkkon
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.09.26 11:28:35 -
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Zirashi wrote:Heinrich Harkkon wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Making spaceships that look like aircraft that fly - something having to do with air pressure on airfoils
-items spaceships don't have to deal with as they involve this thing called "atmosphere".
But...it looks "cool". This takes anthropomorphism to a brave new height - Technoanthropomorphism.
It also shows your designers have read too many comic books. It stands to reason that in an age of space travel, manufacturers would make their spacecraft look nice for the same reason that car manufacturers do today. The idea that spaceships would never be anything more than the bare minimum for functionality is pretty farcical. Technically, designing 100% for practicality and function while completely ignoring cosmetics is actually supposed to be the Caldari's way of design. Explains the old Moa, Condor, Bantam, Griffin, and so on. It's purely coincidence that the Rokh and Naga look so badass. 
Oh yeah, the Caldari are the exception 
"...The perfect organism. Its structural perfection is only matched by its hostility...I admire its purity.
A survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse...or delusions of morality."
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.09.26 11:35:43 -
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Rokh and Naga is simple and symetrical.
Nothing like mauled chair sticked into a hedgehog of metal plates that Moa was.
Caldari retain a lot of character in their ships by using simple surfaces, angular design. And they keep it clean by having those large, smooth surfaces prevalent.
Minmatar are using simple shapes, but they are "insides out" about everything. Ships are more "veiny" and skeletal, like a tribal totem in space.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Professor Agony
Moon Moon United
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Posted - 2016.09.26 19:49:26 -
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Yes, aerodynamics do not matter, but with some of these wonky designs the center of mass is not in an ideal location. This would cause the thrusters to be used inefficiently while turning, as the left or right side had more inertia than the other. This is why symmetry makes sense in space. |
Christopher Mabata
Sentinel Incorporium
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Posted - 2016.09.26 19:54:49 -
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Even if they redesign it, the osprey shall and forevermore be my first mining ship back in 2011, A good old callback to the days of badgers, bestowers, ospreys, and more all out in the belts because barges took forever to train and there was no venture.
Ahh good times
But yes a redesign would be amazing, may actually use my osprey navy issue if it were a bit more ascetically pleasing
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.09.26 22:24:23 -
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Heinrich Harkkon wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Making spaceships that look like aircraft that fly - something having to do with air pressure on airfoils
-items spaceships don't have to deal with as they involve this thing called "atmosphere".
But...it looks "cool". This takes anthropomorphism to a brave new height - Technoanthropomorphism.
It also shows your designers have read too many comic books. It stands to reason that in an age of space travel, manufacturers would make their spacecraft look nice for the same reason that car manufacturers do today. The idea that spaceships would never be anything more than the bare minimum for functionality is pretty farcical. But, you used that word "nice". Nice as in - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We're in a culture that's never seen a spaceship trying to design a spaceship. Invariably the "nice" is something to which one is aesthetically enured. Hence, either a form of an airplane - highly elaborated of course with "cool" bits like swept back wings, and deftly-placed engine looking thingies; or a ship of some sort - The Rokh, oddly enough, resembles a diesel locomotive.
FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION. Airplanes don't look like they do because the designer wanted something to look cool. If they weren't designed that way, they wouldn't function. We added the "nice" ourselves, and we added the "cool". Now, when "we" (most of us) look at a design without understanding this process of familiarization, we don't notice our imaginations adding an overlay of validity to a design. Conversely we don't notice we reject designs which don't fit our accustomed range of acceptable imagery.
I hope I was abundantly vague. The most efficient form for a spaceship, functionally speaking, is the sphere. Why do you think spaceship Earth is shaped as it is? All the OTHER bodies out there more or less conform to this form. The Death Star, right? If designers stuck to that, you'd be saying everything looks like the Death Star, and could they please put some sticky-outty stuff on it to make it look "different"?
You process imagery. The designer processes imagery. You're literally asking a designer to create an image to suit your imagination, rather than trying to accommodate in your own mind the interpretation of someone else's mind.
So....they can design something "nice" if they want, huh?
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
1074
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Posted - 2016.09.26 22:31:39 -
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Serene Repose wrote:The most efficient form for a spaceship, functionally speaking, is the sphere. Why do you think spaceship Earth is shaped as it is? All the OTHER bodies out there more or less conform to this form. The Death Star, right?
WTF?
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Professor Agony
Moon Moon United
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Posted - 2016.09.27 03:24:43 -
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A sphere doesn't make sense when you're trying to lay out an array of weapons and instruments that need to have a clear path to the target and ample spacing in between to allow for movement and little interference. Hence the winged/armed designs |
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
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Posted - 2016.09.27 04:28:19 -
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Professor Agony wrote:I guess the moa was so ugly it started a trend.
Scorpion change was the first one in that respect, I do miss the old one. Being symmetrical as fck like that, with its looks, was just awesome, it just needed some updating, not.... what it got. |
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2016.09.27 07:30:29 -
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Spheres are good for ships in space. They can hold a lot of internal volume with less of external shielding that can fail. That shape is the best for biggest ships, like battle stars and death stars.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2016.10.09 18:31:50 -
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Professor Agony wrote:Yes, aerodynamics do not matter, but with some of these wonky designs the center of mass is not in an ideal location. This would cause the thrusters to be used inefficiently while turning, as the left or right side had more inertia than the other. This is why symmetry makes sense in space.
I used to switch to space engineers when I felt like realism. Haven't done so for some time though. Guess I'm actually fine with the fictional pat of EVE.
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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
182
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Posted - 2016.10.11 06:45:28 -
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Professor Agony wrote:We're almost through the last of the ugly Caldari ships, and the osprey is one of the few left that desperately needs a redesign. What's the point of repping my fleetmates if looking in my general direction is more damaging than any opponent could be? I'm running out of medium sized paper bags :/
Stfu.
The old designs were perfectly fine. I loved the blackbird, now its some random piece of internet art I could've pulled from any number of talentless places. Oh, give it more polygon shapes, make it flatter, make it spikier! Great!
Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
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13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.11 06:53:42 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Spheres are good for ships in space. They can hold a lot of internal volume with less of external shielding that can fail. That shape is the best for biggest ships, like battle stars and death stars.
Not even close. The best shape is a long rectangle. The surface area will be more for same internal volume with a cube, but less for a really long rectangle. Furthermore, a sphere has defensive issues with hull breaches.
if the nose or tail or a rectangle is breached, you can cut it off very easily. If the "side" of a sphere is breached, you've lost a LOT more space to seal it off.
The idea that sphere is ideal is just laughable.
Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
694
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Posted - 2016.10.11 07:13:57 -
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[Opinion] The old Moa was the only ship I think looked truly hideous. I really liked the old Blackbird and the Griffin. I flew them both, and their T2 variants, and was always happy to do so. Back then, I wasn't reading the part of the forums that dealt with ship models when they changed the Blackbird. I undocked and honest-to-god I thought some graphics glitched must have happened because the game had me rendered as what looked like a Gecko drone. Obviously, re-docking and undocking didn't fix it, and I was about to file a support ticket when a corpmate saw me undock and made a comment about the new Blackbird design. I was like, "Wtf? It's supposed to look like this?"
I'm still of the opinion that the Blackbird variants are now just different degrees of Gecko drones. I don't like the new look at all. Same with the Kitsune. I don't even know what I'm supposed to do with a Kitsune anymore. It looks like a caltrop, or even one of those children toys where you have to pick up a bunch at once...jacks I think they're called?
While I'm very happy the Moa got a nice change, I'm not a fan of these other Caldari redesigns. I heard some other ship models got changed, from Amarr I think? But I don't recognize what those changes were.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
500
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Posted - 2016.10.11 07:16:13 -
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Professor Agony wrote:I guess the moa was so ugly it started a trend.
The Moa was the Osprey's daddy, if they do redesign it I hope they keep the round shape but make it look like it transmits something. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
182
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Posted - 2016.10.11 11:17:13 -
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And if you think that ships should be more ergonomical or symmetrical because "thats what would work better in outer space with thruster omg", then you better ban the minnie T3 outright, as half its mass is to the right or its main thruster assembly.
Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
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