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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
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Posted - 2016.09.27 14:47:13 -
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So I was thinking "Hey it would be fun to get an alt and try different options in what trained etc"
and I created it and logged into game, so far so good, then get into put something into training schedual
and here comes the cinderblock.... I have to pay an plex in order to train an alt.
Really? I have to pay additional 30 days for playing an alt, a whole new game basically
just to train an alt. is this the way its suppose to be? that would seriously be an alt killer
unless of course suddenly you make that alts have the same brain , same skills, same everything
since if your going to share the training timnes, scheduals etc, then why not share the skills
that you already gotten for the primary player.
thats the point of an alt to keep them separate, is it not? to try something totally new?
then why would you make it so that you have to play/pay for a whole new game for
an alt?
or am I missing some way of letting the alt gain skills?
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Erebus Vain
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:06:02 -
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https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/dual-character-training/
This might help and it might not, but i'd give it a good read first.
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Quihote
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:11:38 -
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You don't have to pay to train an alt on the same account. You can pause training on the primary character in order to train on the alt. If you want to train them simultaneously, then you have to pay.
However, training an alt and a primary on the same account doesn't make sense as a long term plan if you plan on training both characters. If you pay cash for a sub, it's cheaper and more practical to start a second account. If plexing the cost is the same but it might still be more practical to have another account. |
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CCP Darwin
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:14:05 -
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Edit: Looks like the previous poster beat me to the answer. :)
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:18:11 -
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:So I was thinking "Hey it would be fun to get an alt and try different options in what trained etc"
and I created it and logged into game, so far so good, then get into put something into training schedual
and here comes the cinderblock.... I have to pay an plex in order to train an alt.
Really? I have to pay additional 30 days for playing an alt, a whole new game basically
just to train an alt. is this the way its suppose to be? that would seriously be an alt killer
unless of course suddenly you make that alts have the same brain , same skills, same everything
since if your going to share the training timnes, scheduals etc, then why not share the skills
that you already gotten for the primary player.
thats the point of an alt to keep them separate, is it not? to try something totally new?
then why would you make it so that you have to play/pay for a whole new game for
an alt?
or am I missing some way of letting the alt gain skills?
You have to pay a plex to train two characters concurrently.
In most cases, you're better off just training whatever on your main. There are exceptions, usually when you want the alt to be able to do a specific thing that takes a finite amount of SP, such as a station-sitting trader alt.
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Elenahina
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:20:26 -
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Basically, if you plan to train your alt for longer than 90 days, it makes more sense to just PLEX a second account. (The break even may have changed, but that's what it used to be). It's good for cyno alts, basic research alts, PI alts, those sorts of things.
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:28:06 -
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Just wanna say if you think you might want another character, you actually / probably want another two.
Post your alts if you got 'em lol
http://eveboard.com/compare/Rain6635,Rain6636,Rain6637,Rain6638,Rain6639
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:28:27 -
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Quihote wrote:You don't have to pay to train an alt on the same account. You can pause training on the primary character in order to train on the alt. If you want to train them simultaneously, then you have to pay.
However, training an alt and a primary on the same account doesn't make sense as a long term plan if you plan on training both characters. If you pay cash for a sub, it's cheaper and more practical to start a second account. If plexing the cost is the same but it might still be more practical to have another account.
that whole thing means just this....
You can have an alt but not train the alt unless you pause your main.
then what is the point of having an alt if you can not train him/her?
My point is that CCP made it so that in reality in order to have an effective alt(mind I said effective)
then you have to buy a whole new game by either buy plex or by shopping for 19.95 euros another
game. That is not an alt. By forcing the playerbase to in reality eother chose to pause their main
or buy a whole new game to effectively play an alt, they are cheating you of the alt experience.
if you have an alt, it SHOULD be totally and I mean TOTALLY separate from the main.
With the way the system works now its no use to get an alt, why would you when most of your time you have to have
training, specially when some skills take days and weeks to learn, why then force people to have to buy
additional game time for use with their alt.
Its a smart way for them to make cash for sure, but it also for those who are altoholics is a turnoff because
I am sure not many would want to pay 2 or 3 games just in order to be allowed to have an alt.
To me it makes no sense why I should be forced to buy a whole new game, why not make the second
or third training que cost something LESS than the whole new game?
I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay
for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not
charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:44:08 -
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:Quihote wrote:You don't have to pay to train an alt on the same account. You can pause training on the primary character in order to train on the alt. If you want to train them simultaneously, then you have to pay.
However, training an alt and a primary on the same account doesn't make sense as a long term plan if you plan on training both characters. If you pay cash for a sub, it's cheaper and more practical to start a second account. If plexing the cost is the same but it might still be more practical to have another account. that whole thing means just this.... You can have an alt but not train the alt unless you pause your main. then what is the point of having an alt if you can not train him/her? My point is that CCP made it so that in reality in order to have an effective alt(mind I said effective) then you have to buy a whole new game by either buy plex or by shopping for 19.95 euros another game. That is not an alt. By forcing the playerbase to in reality eother chose to pause their main or buy a whole new game to effectively play an alt, they are cheating you of the alt experience. if you have an alt, it SHOULD be totally and I mean TOTALLY separate from the main. With the way the system works now its no use to get an alt, why would you when most of your time you have to have training, specially when some skills take days and weeks to learn, why then force people to have to buy additional game time for use with their alt. Its a smart way for them to make cash for sure, but it also for those who are altoholics is a turnoff because I am sure not many would want to pay 2 or 3 games just in order to be allowed to have an alt. To me it makes no sense why I should be forced to buy a whole new game, why not make the second or third training que cost something LESS than the whole new game? I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts.
If it worked in the ludicrously myopic and ignorant-of-the-many-intertwining-aspects-of-gameplay-and-economy fashion that you wish, literally everyone would be running permanent 2700 sp/hr training on all of their alts for the purpose of extraction, as there would be no additional cost associated with doing so.
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:49:15 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:Quihote wrote:You don't have to pay to train an alt on the same account. You can pause training on the primary character in order to train on the alt. If you want to train them simultaneously, then you have to pay.
However, training an alt and a primary on the same account doesn't make sense as a long term plan if you plan on training both characters. If you pay cash for a sub, it's cheaper and more practical to start a second account. If plexing the cost is the same but it might still be more practical to have another account. that whole thing means just this.... You can have an alt but not train the alt unless you pause your main. then what is the point of having an alt if you can not train him/her? My point is that CCP made it so that in reality in order to have an effective alt(mind I said effective) then you have to buy a whole new game by either buy plex or by shopping for 19.95 euros another game. That is not an alt. By forcing the playerbase to in reality eother chose to pause their main or buy a whole new game to effectively play an alt, they are cheating you of the alt experience. if you have an alt, it SHOULD be totally and I mean TOTALLY separate from the main. With the way the system works now its no use to get an alt, why would you when most of your time you have to have training, specially when some skills take days and weeks to learn, why then force people to have to buy additional game time for use with their alt. Its a smart way for them to make cash for sure, but it also for those who are altoholics is a turnoff because I am sure not many would want to pay 2 or 3 games just in order to be allowed to have an alt. To me it makes no sense why I should be forced to buy a whole new game, why not make the second or third training que cost something LESS than the whole new game? I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts. If it worked in the ludicrously myopic and ignorant-of-the-many-intertwining-aspects-of-gameplay-and-economy fashion that you wish, literally everyone would be running permanent 2700 sp/hr training on all of their alts for the purpose of extraction, as there would be no additional cost associated with doing so.
and is that not the point of an alt, the ability to be totally separate from your main character? Or do you think an umbilical cord is nedcessary for an alt? what if you want to play an female and then have an male alt, you then locked that you can only do one thing per game? I never seen anywhere, ANYWHERE, in other mmo's where they lock the game to the point that if you want to have an alt then you have to either stop training, stop progress, stop cd's etc in order to play your alt. It totally defeats the point of having an alt if you have to go into other characters and do things in order for the second character to work at all.
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
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Posted - 2016.09.27 15:53:32 -
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I could certainly understand if there was some way the alts was connected to eachother, lets say they share the skills, then I could understand the need to have one schedual for both. But this is nothing but a cheap play from CCP to get people to pay extra for their alt because key to progress in EVE is still training your skills, you can't run around skilless, then you get no new ships, you get no progress, so they made it so that you have to either be satisified with having 1 toon, or start paying for each additional account.
this wishywashy of yeah you can play but you can't train the alt or the main, thats just hogwash to me, it is a cheap play to get people to pay extra.
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Hesod Adee
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay
for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not
charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts.
No MMO lets you train multiple characters simultaneously unless you have multiple accounts. Why should Eve be any different ? |
SurrenderMonkey
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
and is that not the point of an alt, the ability to be totally separate from your main character? Or do you think an umbilical cord is nedcessary for an alt? what if you want to play an female and then have an male alt, you then locked that you can only do one thing per game?
Do you not grasp that there is an entire economy that revolves around skillpoints, and that this is economy is contingent on the acquisition of SP requiring a certain degree of investment?
If being able to do everything in the game were supposed to be something easily achieved, you would just come out of the character gen with level 5 in everything. It's an intended aspect of the game design that character training is a meaningful decision.
You're very nearly talking about destroying the game - no exaggeration - for the sake of satisfying your particular neurosis.
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I never seen anywhere, ANYWHERE, in other mmo's where they lock the game to the point that if you want to have an alt then you have to either stop training, stop progress, stop cd's etc in order to play your alt.
Uh, sure you have. In fact, you've seen it in EVERY other MMO. How much XP are you earning on your World of Warcraft main while you're logged into your alt?
******* zero, that's how much.
Quote:It totally defeats the point of having an alt if you have to go into other characters and do things in order for the second character to work at all.
This is the third time you've made this idiotic statement and this is the third time I'll be telling you that you're wrong.
There are innumerable reasons to train a limited-SP alt, including:
-Cyno alts
-Spies/cloaky campers/etc
-Research and manufacturing
-Traders
-Out-of-corp freighter pilots
-PI alts
-etc.
Most of those can be done in single-digit millions of SP, and are well worth multi-training or injecting an alt.
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
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Posted - 2016.09.27 16:04:27 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay
for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not
charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts. No MMO lets you train multiple characters simultaneously unless you have multiple accounts. Why should Eve be any different ?
really?
I play many MMO's that alts do not share any cd's betweeen them at all.
Its not like , lets say wow (since everyone knows that) the JC that just crushed a gem and has a 3 days cd, that the alts also have 3 day cd's. an alt is totally separate and you got to train your skills from ground up in that game as well. and they still do not share cd's. so...why does eve?
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Sonya Corvinus
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:really?
I play many MMO's that alts do not share any cd's betweeen them at all.
Its not like , lets say wow (since everyone knows that) the JC that just crushed a gem and has a 3 days cd, that the alts also have 3 day cd's. an alt is totally separate and you got to train your skills from ground up in that game as well. and they still do not share cd's. so...why does eve?
EVE lets you train skills when you're not logged in. You are free to train skills on alts, simply pause the training queue on your main and start it up on an alt.
Could you gain XP on two characters at once on the same account at the same time in wow? |
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
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Posted - 2016.09.27 16:12:14 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
and is that not the point of an alt, the ability to be totally separate from your main character? Or do you think an umbilical cord is nedcessary for an alt? what if you want to play an female and then have an male alt, you then locked that you can only do one thing per game?
Do you not grasp that there is an entire economy that revolves around skillpoints, and that this is economy is contingent on the acquisition of SP requiring a certain degree of investment? If being able to do everything in the game were supposed to be something easily achieved, you would just come out of the character gen with level 5 in everything. It's an intended aspect of the game design that character training is a meaningful decision. You're very nearly talking about destroying the game - no exaggeration - for the sake of satisfying your particular neurosis. Quote:
I never seen anywhere, ANYWHERE, in other mmo's where they lock the game to the point that if you want to have an alt then you have to either stop training, stop progress, stop cd's etc in order to play your alt.
Uh, sure you have. In fact, you've seen it in EVERY other MMO. How much XP are you earning on your World of Warcraft main while you're logged into your alt? ******* zero, that's how much. Quote:It totally defeats the point of having an alt if you have to go into other characters and do things in order for the second character to work at all.
This is the third time you've made this idiotic statement and this is the third time I'll be telling you that you're wrong. There are innumerable reasons to train a limited-SP alt, including: -Cyno alts -Spies/cloaky campers/etc -Research and manufacturing -Traders -Out-of-corp freighter pilots -PI alts -etc. Most of those can be done in single-digit millions of SP, and are well worth multi-training or injecting an alt.
I would ask you to refrain from profanities.
1. How many xp points do I earn in wow? I can tell you that I let my cd's run down while playing other alts. that does not need to be stopped just cause I play an alt. and xp (same as you use sp here) is earned by doing the same thing over and over and over again, on alts, you still have to level from 1-110 and with each profession you have to train them upwards, individually.
2. None of your reasonings have proven to be any reason at all to prevent a person from having a totally separate alt. That alt still needs to train the sp to get to that point. that alt still needs to spend the same amount of Zil to buy all the ship, riggs etc. It is not like you get some bonus for having the main and alt connected to each other.
3. the only reason this exists is to force people to buy separate subscriptions for their alts, thusly increasing the money CCP earns from the people thats so bored cause their main have to wait 30,40,50 and more days for a skill to be ready so they can progress onwards. During that time...what do they do? they are locked from alting unless they pause their main thus prolonging the wait time. or they are forced to buy another game. Maybe for hardcore EVE players it makes sense, but it does not so to me.
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Hesod Adee
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay
for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not
charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts. No MMO lets you train multiple characters simultaneously unless you have multiple accounts. Why should Eve be any different ? really? I play many MMO's that alts do not share any cd's betweeen them at all. Its not like , lets say wow (since everyone knows that) the JC that just crushed a gem and has a 3 days cd, that the alts also have 3 day cd's. an alt is totally separate and you got to train your skills from ground up in that game as well. and they still do not share cd's. so...why does eve?
Does your character get any better during the cooldown ?
If not, cooldowns aren't the training. They are the gaps between when you are allowed to train. |
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
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Posted - 2016.09.27 16:15:00 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:really?
I play many MMO's that alts do not share any cd's betweeen them at all.
Its not like , lets say wow (since everyone knows that) the JC that just crushed a gem and has a 3 days cd, that the alts also have 3 day cd's. an alt is totally separate and you got to train your skills from ground up in that game as well. and they still do not share cd's. so...why does eve? EVE lets you train skills when you're not logged in. You are free to train skills on alts, simply pause the training queue on your main and start it up on an alt. Could you gain XP on two characters at once on the same account at the same time in wow?
The ability to train skills here is the same as having cd's on crafting in other mmo's
thats a time sink and some do it by forcing training to be 60-100 days thus slowing progress
some do it by immens cost of grathering with low rate of the items needed
some do it with crafting one piece and then taking 3-4 days for cd and then it is necessary with 50 or 100 pieces
etc etc
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:I would ask you to refrain from profanities.
1. How many xp points do I earn in wow? I can tell you that I let my cd's run down while playing other alts. that does not need to be stopped just cause I play an alt. and xp (same as you use sp here) is earned by doing the same thing over and over and over again, on alts, you still have to level from 1-110 and with each profession you have to train them upwards, individually.
2. None of your reasonings have proven to be any reason at all to prevent a person from having a totally separate alt. That alt still needs to train the sp to get to that point. that alt still needs to spend the same amount of Zil to buy all the ship, riggs etc. It is not like you get some bonus for having the main and alt connected to each other.
3. the only reason this exists is to force people to buy separate subscriptions for their alts, thusly increasing the money CCP earns from the people thats so bored cause their main have to wait 30,40,50 and more days for a skill to be ready so they can progress onwards. During that time...what do they do? they are locked from alting unless they pause their main thus prolonging the wait time. or they are forced to buy another game. Maybe for hardcore EVE players it makes sense, but it does not so to me.
This isn't wow. Saying EVE should do something because wow does it is like saying we should add guns and grenades to EVE because COD has them.
There are lasting consequences for your decisions here, unlike most other games. Pick your path carefully, live with mistakes. If you want to play two different characters with two different names and histories, you're going to have to either take longer to train them (pause the skill queue and switch it to a second character slot) or start a new account. There is no power leveling, there is no easily ducking your actions and your history by spinning up a max skilled alt (well, skill injectors now, but still...).
EVE is successful because of how much it's NOT like wow. |
SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.09.27 16:16:29 -
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
1. How many xp points do I earn in wow? I can tell you that I let my cd's run down while playing other alts. that does not need to be stopped just cause I play an alt. and xp (same as you use sp here) is earned by doing the same thing over and over and over again, on alts, you still have to level from 1-110 and with each profession you have to train them upwards, individually.
I like how you've moved the goalposts from SPs to "cooldowns". Answer the question I asked, don't turn it into a different question that you prefer because the one I asked was inconvenient for your whiny argument.
Quote:2. None of your reasonings have proven to be any reason at all to prevent a person from having a totally separate alt. That alt still needs to train the sp to get to that point. that alt still needs to spend the same amount of Zil to buy all the ship, riggs etc. It is not like you get some bonus for having the main and alt connected to each other.
You understand that we literally buy and sell skillpoints from each other, right? And that you're basically saying, "Destroy that entire aspect of the economy because I'm an entitled little twit and merely wanting something means I deserve it."
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Posted - 2016.09.27 16:17:10 -
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Hesod Adee wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:Hesod Adee wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay
for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not
charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts. No MMO lets you train multiple characters simultaneously unless you have multiple accounts. Why should Eve be any different ? really? I play many MMO's that alts do not share any cd's betweeen them at all. Its not like , lets say wow (since everyone knows that) the JC that just crushed a gem and has a 3 days cd, that the alts also have 3 day cd's. an alt is totally separate and you got to train your skills from ground up in that game as well. and they still do not share cd's. so...why does eve? Does your character get any better during the cooldown ? If not, cooldowns aren't the training. They are the gaps between when you are allowed to train.
No they do not... let us take legendary items, for example the legendary axe in wow, it took 3 months with the amount of cd's (lockouts from raids etc) and the necessity of waiting during that time for the next oportunity to gather the materials necessary.
So that slot in the gear was NOT improved until all things was gathered, all tasks done etc.
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
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Posted - 2016.09.27 16:18:53 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
1. How many xp points do I earn in wow? I can tell you that I let my cd's run down while playing other alts. that does not need to be stopped just cause I play an alt. and xp (same as you use sp here) is earned by doing the same thing over and over and over again, on alts, you still have to level from 1-110 and with each profession you have to train them upwards, individually.
I like how you've moved the goalposts from SPs to "cooldowns". Answer the question I asked, don't turn it into a different question that you prefer because the one I asked was inconvenient for your whiny argument. Quote:2. None of your reasonings have proven to be any reason at all to prevent a person from having a totally separate alt. That alt still needs to train the sp to get to that point. that alt still needs to spend the same amount of Zil to buy all the ship, riggs etc. It is not like you get some bonus for having the main and alt connected to each other. You understand that we literally buy and sell skillpoints from each other, right? And that you're basically saying, "Destroy that entire aspect of the economy because I'm an entitled little twit and merely wanting something means I deserve it."
I am saying create a way to TOTALLY have alts separate but only connecting thing is the account.
It can't be done you say? Oh yes it can, it is a matter of simply coding that you can not send/sell/trade anything to your alt.
Then it is totally separated.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.09.27 16:22:38 -
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
1. How many xp points do I earn in wow? I can tell you that I let my cd's run down while playing other alts. that does not need to be stopped just cause I play an alt. and xp (same as you use sp here) is earned by doing the same thing over and over and over again, on alts, you still have to level from 1-110 and with each profession you have to train them upwards, individually.
I like how you've moved the goalposts from SPs to "cooldowns". Answer the question I asked, don't turn it into a different question that you prefer because the one I asked was inconvenient for your whiny argument. Quote:2. None of your reasonings have proven to be any reason at all to prevent a person from having a totally separate alt. That alt still needs to train the sp to get to that point. that alt still needs to spend the same amount of Zil to buy all the ship, riggs etc. It is not like you get some bonus for having the main and alt connected to each other. You understand that we literally buy and sell skillpoints from each other, right? And that you're basically saying, "Destroy that entire aspect of the economy because I'm an entitled little twit and merely wanting something means I deserve it." I am saying create a way to TOTALLY have alts separate but only connecting thing is the account. It can't be done you say? Oh yes it can, it is a matter of simply coding that you can not send/sell/trade anything to your alt. Then it is totally separated.
Like I said before, your understanding of Eve, particularly with respect to the market, is so incomplete that you're fundamentally incapable of grasping why there is absolutely no chance of this happening. There is no "separate" anything on TQ. You can sell nearly anything you have to another player, either via the market or contract.
If you want an isolated alt, go train on Singularity.
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
1. How many xp points do I earn in wow? I can tell you that I let my cd's run down while playing other alts. that does not need to be stopped just cause I play an alt. and xp (same as you use sp here) is earned by doing the same thing over and over and over again, on alts, you still have to level from 1-110 and with each profession you have to train them upwards, individually.
I like how you've moved the goalposts from SPs to "cooldowns". Answer the question I asked, don't turn it into a different question that you prefer because the one I asked was inconvenient for your whiny argument. Quote:2. None of your reasonings have proven to be any reason at all to prevent a person from having a totally separate alt. That alt still needs to train the sp to get to that point. that alt still needs to spend the same amount of Zil to buy all the ship, riggs etc. It is not like you get some bonus for having the main and alt connected to each other. You understand that we literally buy and sell skillpoints from each other, right? And that you're basically saying, "Destroy that entire aspect of the economy because I'm an entitled little twit and merely wanting something means I deserve it." I am saying create a way to TOTALLY have alts separate but only connecting thing is the account. It can't be done you say? Oh yes it can, it is a matter of simply coding that you can not send/sell/trade anything to your alt. Then it is totally separated. Like I said before, your understanding of Eve, particularly with respect to the market, is so incomplete that you're fundamentally incapable of grasping why there is absolutely no chance of this happening. If you want an isolated alt, go train on Singularity.
Yeah thank you, your response was so very overwhelmingly helpful
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
Yeah thank you, your response was so very overwhelmingly helpful
This is what expected for EVE community. Thank you.
How much effort do you expect anyone to really expend on some Dunning-Kruger posterchild who has exhibited no effort to understand any of the underlying issues that numerous people have pointed out?
Literally nobody has agreed with you so far, yet you persist without hesitation.
Let's focus in on a particular point of ignorance:
Quote:I am saying create a way to TOTALLY have alts separate but only connecting thing is the account.
It can't be done you say? Oh yes it can, it is a matter of simply coding that you can not send/sell/trade anything to your alt.
Then it is totally separated.
Explain how you will magically code around the following scenarios:
Bob makes 2700 sp/hr alts. Bob extracts that SP and puts it in his corp hangar, where it is retrieved by his main.
Bob makes 2700 sp/hr alts. Bob extracts that SP and puts the resulting injectors for sale on the open market. Bob uses the money resulting from the sales to buy injectors from Alice, who is doing the same thing.
Bob makes 2700 sp/hr alts on two separate accounts. Bob extracts the XP, passing the resulting injectors between accounts.
All of these things are doable now, of course, but there is also a cost associated with doing so, providing balance. You're basically saying, "Yeah, just destroy that entirely because IWANTIWANTIWANT."
Short of literally locking those characters out of most of the mechanics in the game, there is no TOTALLY SEPARATE anything in Eve. It doesn't work that way. There's no "soulbound" items here. Everything is a commodity to be traded.
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How much effort do you expect anyone to really expend on some Dunning-Kruger posterchild who has exhibited no effort to understand any of the underlying issues that numerous people have pointed out?
Literally nobody has agreed with you so far, yet you persist without hesitation.
Let's focus in on a particular point of ignorance:
this...just made my mind up and I cancelled my subscription
thank you for being such a good representative of the EVE community.
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I am fed up with your superior attitude.
I a new, and I said so from the start
and this is the way you adress those thats new, then I truly hope for EVE sake that you will be there for many years to come because I seriously doubt there will be many new people who want to participate in a community filled with such ego's.
I said my opinion and I stand by it, an alt is and alt and should be seprated from the main.
if you don't like that then there is an old saying, an opinion is like an ass, and in your case I would say it is is the brown nose of that ass that sticks in your face.
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:I am fed up with your superior attitude.
I a new, and I said so from the start
Being "new" affords you only a very finite amount of consideration, guy. You want to ask questions because you're new, fine.
When people who aren't new explain, in detail, why your thoughts, issued from the perspective of one who is new, are erroneous, and you then refuse to assimilate that information into your perspective, that consideration terminates pretty abruptly.
Quote:I said my opinion and I stand by it, an alt is and alt and should be seprated from the main.
The notion of "separate" is antithetical to the entire game. It doesn't exist here. Nothing is separate. It is a single-shard game with a player-driven economy. If you want to "opt out" of any aspect of that, your sole option is the test server. They're not going to fundamentally alter the fabric of the game for the sake of some new player who can't be arsed to understand that Eve is an economic sim as much as a spaceship one.
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Explain how you will magically code around the following scenarios:
Bob makes 2700 sp/hr alts. Bob extracts that SP and puts it in his corp hangar, where it is retrieved by his main.
Bob makes 2700 sp/hr alts. Bob extracts that SP and puts the resulting injectors for sale on the open market. Bob uses the money resulting from the sales to buy injectors from Alice, who is doing the same thing.
Bob makes 2700 sp/hr alts on two separate accounts. Bob extracts the XP, passing the resulting injectors between accounts.
All of these things are doable now, of course, but there is also a cost associated with doing so, providing balance. You're basically saying, "Yeah, just destroy that entirely because IWANTIWANTIWANT."
Short of literally locking those characters out of most of the mechanics in the game, there is no TOTALLY SEPARATE anything in Eve. It doesn't work that way. There's no "soulbound" items here. Everything is a commodity to be traded.
simply put... Look at how Blizzard done auctionhouse both real and blackmarket.
You can not bid on your own items with alts
you can not buy your own items as alts.
take that a step further....
Tag everything you said with a simply nametag, then put a checker on the code saying something like if the nametag matches names on your own account then you are ineligable to purchase or interact with any items with the tag from any of your own alts.
It can be done. It is done so in many other MMO's, or are you saying that CCP coders are not as capable as those of WoW?
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:I am fed up with your superior attitude.
I a new, and I said so from the start Being "new" affords you only a very finite amount of consideration, guy. You want to ask questions because you're new, fine. When people who aren't new explain, in detail, why your thoughts, issued from the perspective of one who is new, are erroneous, and you then refuse to assimilate that information into your perspective, that consideration terminates pretty abruptly. Quote:I said my opinion and I stand by it, an alt is and alt and should be seprated from the main.
The notion of "separate" is antithetical to the entire game. It doesn't exist here. Nothing is separate. It is a single-shard game with a player-driven economy. If you want to "opt out" of any aspect of that, your sole option is the test server. They're not going to fundamentally alter the fabric of the game for the sake of some new player who can't be arsed to understand that Eve is an economic sim as much as a spaceship one.
Now your saying something true... and this is what shoudl said from the start. Instead of insunating I am a moron and incapable etc... all you would have to say was these few things...
It doesn't exist here.
Thats all... and say This is EVE, like ot or get out... thats all. No amount of reasoning or trying to say I want it all or wreck the game. Those simple words would sufficed.
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Posted - 2016.09.27 17:21:05 -
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:Explain how you will magically code around the following scenarios:
Bob makes 2700 sp/hr alts. Bob extracts that SP and puts it in his corp hangar, where it is retrieved by his main.
Bob makes 2700 sp/hr alts. Bob extracts that SP and puts the resulting injectors for sale on the open market. Bob uses the money resulting from the sales to buy injectors from Alice, who is doing the same thing.
Bob makes 2700 sp/hr alts on two separate accounts. Bob extracts the XP, passing the resulting injectors between accounts.
All of these things are doable now, of course, but there is also a cost associated with doing so, providing balance. You're basically saying, "Yeah, just destroy that entirely because IWANTIWANTIWANT."
Short of literally locking those characters out of most of the mechanics in the game, there is no TOTALLY SEPARATE anything in Eve. It doesn't work that way. There's no "soulbound" items here. Everything is a commodity to be traded.
simply put... Look at how Blizzard done auctionhouse both real and blackmarket.
You can not bid on your own items with alts
you can not buy your own items as alts.
take that a step further....
Tag everything you said with a simply nametag, then put a checker on the code saying something like if the nametag matches names on your own account then you are ineligable to purchase or interact with any items with the tag from any of your own alts.
It can be done. It is done so in many other MMO's, or are you saying that CCP coders are not as capable as those of WoW?
What you just suggested does not prevent Bob exchanging items between accounts, nor Bob merely putting his items for sale on the open market, and buying the same type of item from others.
Furthermore, it ignores the fact that "bound" items are antithetical to the design concept of Eve, where everything is a commodity to be traded.
So, you have failed to provide a working solution to the problems that would be created by catering to your whims.
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It is an idea, the basic priciple is that anything related to one character is unavaikable to all other characters on that account.
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:It is an idea, the basic priciple is that anything related to one character is unavaikable to all other characters on that account.
And the basic principle is impossible to implement in a way that isn't trivial to sidestep through either multiple accounts, or simple cooperation between players.
Bob (main) trains BobA. BobA extracts his SP, and contracts it to the main on his other account, Alice.
Meanwhile, AliceA does the same thing, contracting the resulting injector to Bob.
Your tagging system has now added a disgusting amount of database overhead while completely failing to solve the problem.
That's not even the ONLY problem with this nonsense - just the most easily illustrated.
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Posting in Raging Insanity thread #42069.
OP, If you don't want to train a second character, buy one from the character bazaar.
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:It is an idea, the basic priciple is that anything related to one character is unavaikable to all other characters on that account. And the basic principle is impossible to implement in a way that isn't trivial to sidestep through either multiple accounts, or simple cooperation between players. Bob (main) trains BobA. BobA extracts his SP, and contracts it to the main on his other account, Alice. Meanwhile, AliceA does the same thing, contracting the resulting injector to Bob. Your tagging system has now added a disgusting amount of database overhead while completely failing to solve the problem. That's not even the ONLY problem with this nonsense - just the most easily illustrated.
ahh but there you have it....
IF you want to sidestep it THEN you do need to buy an account extra. THEN you chose the extra cost.
at least you have a choise then, no?
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either way, we will never agree on this and I am done bickering, I have an opinion, might be bad in your eyes, but then we have what 11 billion ppl on this planet, if we all thought alike it would be boring...no?
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:either way, we will never agree on this and I am done bickering, I have an opinion, might be bad in your eyes, but then we have what 11 billion ppl on this planet, if we all thought alike it would be boring...no?
Why do you want an alt in the first place? You have alts in other MMOs because you're locked into a class, and you might want to play something different.
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:
ahh but there you have it....
IF you want to sidestep it THEN you do need to buy an account extra. THEN you chose the extra cost.
at least you have a choise then, no?
No, all I need is a friend, actually. Alice and Bob can just as easily be two separate single-account players and it's still just as broken.
Also, as I noted already, that's not even the only problem - just the one most easily described via Crayola to a player with limited understanding of the rest of the game mechanics.
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:either way, we will never agree on this and I am done bickering, I have an opinion, might be bad in your eyes, but then we have what 11 billion ppl on this planet, if we all thought alike it would be boring...no? Why do you want an alt in the first place? You have alts in other MMOs because you're locked into a class, and you might want to play something different. Every character in EVE can train any skill in the game. There are no restrictions. What's the point of the alt you want to start?
Originally cause I wanted a female and a male character, and go from 2 different ways, PvP and the other go concentrate on mining.
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Your only option is what players have been telling you...you can argue all day but it won't alter anything..
You either get 2 accounts, or split your training times on the same account between 2 characters. You might think it's wrong, but it is what it is.
At the minute I'm training a Jita hauler on my other account, but to do it I have had to pause training on the main character for a while..I don't suppose any of us like to do that, but we accept it's what we have to do.
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:Originally cause I wanted a female and a male character, and go from 2 different ways, PvP and the other go concentrate on mining.
Mining is fairly low skilled. Just pause your queue for a few weeks to get an alt into a mining barge.
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Quote:Stop comparing this to other games.
Seriously.
Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?"
This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that.
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Quote:Stop comparing this to other games. Seriously.Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?" This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that.
Umm, its called BOOST, and its already there ;)
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Drago Shouna wrote:Your only option is what players have been telling you...you can argue all day but it won't alter anything..
You either get 2 accounts, or split your training times on the same account between 2 characters. You might think it's wrong, but it is what it is.
At the minute I'm training a Jita hauler on my other account, but to do it I have had to pause training on the main character for a while..I don't suppose any of us like to do that, but we accept it's what we have to do.
^^^^This... would have sufficed for ppl to say^^^^
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Quote:Stop comparing this to other games. Seriously.Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?" This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that. Umm, its called BOOST, and its already there ;)
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Quote:Stop comparing this to other games. Seriously.Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?" This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that. Umm, its called BOOST, and its already there ;)
So you get to do that for free purely by virtue of having an account, or you have to pay extra for it, kind of like here? ;)
Way to dunk your own argument, guy.
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LOL. Injectors are now an "integral part of the economy." Meaning: Without them the economy folds.
in-+te-+gral -êin(t)+Ö+ír+Öl,in-ête+ír+Öl/adjective:
1. necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental.
I guess the new crowd has taken over. Long live EVE II!
Oh...wait....the OP. (Sorry. Didn't mean to forget you.) You didn't know you can only train one character on an account at a time?
L2P EVE.
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Serene Repose wrote:LOL. Injectors are now an "integral part of the economy." Meaning: Without them the economy folds.
in-+te-+gral -êin(t)+Ö+ír+Öl,in-ête+ír+Öl/adjective:
1. necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental.
I guess the new crowd has taken over. Long live EVE II!
If you want to use the rhetorical device of slapping down the definition of a word, you really have to first check and make sure that you're not the first person in the thread to use the word, or you just come away looking as silly as... well, as silly as you usually do when you post.
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Serene Repose wrote:LOL. Injectors are now an "integral part of the economy." Meaning: Without them the economy folds.
in-+te-+gral -êin(t)+Ö+ír+Öl,in-ête+ír+Öl/adjective:
1. necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental.
I guess the new crowd has taken over. Long live EVE II! If you want to use the rhetorical device of slapping down the definition of a word, you really have to first check and make sure that you're not the first person in the thread to use the word, or you just come away looking as silly as... well, as silly as you usually do when you post. I'm sorry. Was I "slapping down the definition of a word"? Silly ME. I thought I was PROVIDING the definition of the word to CLARIFY my point.
Any other misbegotten corrections you may have for me; feel free. I find them amusing.
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welp, to be frankly honest - at this moment I do not really see a point of those 3 characters per account option more than having placeholder alts for example to keep placeholder corp..... or something in this lines
I mean if you want an alt then getting second account wins all hands down.
let's comapre options shall we?
with two accoutns you can multibox and play bot hsimulataneously
with two toons you not only cannot, but you do not have even a convenient was of swapping characters - so if you want to swap the toon you need to restart client
two accounts keep both your main and alt training their skills up in same time at the cost of second subscription.....
to get second character training simultaneously on same account you pay basically just as much
so again what is the reason one should want to setup second toon on same account as opposed to setting up second account in the first place?
I fail to see any
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Quote:Stop comparing this to other games. Seriously.Imagine someone going to the WoW forum and saying, "You know, in Eve you can just train your character up automatically while you're offline - I don't understand why I can't do that here?!? I don't want to go kill mobs for XP, just let me click a button and log on later at level whatever-the-cap-is-these-days?" This thread is exactly as nonsensical as that. Umm, its called BOOST, and its already there ;) So you get to do that for free purely by virtue of having an account, or you have to pay extra for it, kind of like here? ;) Way to dunk your own argument, guy.
actually I got mine for free for upgrading, but your right, it cost to upgrade :)
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OP,
Not sure if this will help you any, but they are making a change in how clones are used in a way that might be more what you are looking for with the Alpha/Omega clone changes coming in November.
You will have a limited set of trained skills you can use in alpha state that will be free. This will give a little bit of an idea where the different characters can go without having to spend money for a subscription. |
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:welp, to be frankly honest - at this moment I do not really see a point of those 3 characters per account option more than having placeholder alts for example to keep placeholder corp..... or something in this lines
I mean if you want an alt then getting second account wins all hands down.
let's comapre options shall we?
with two accoutns you can multibox and play bot hsimulataneously
with two toons you not only cannot, but you do not have even a convenient was of swapping characters - so if you want to swap the toon you need to restart client
two accounts keep both your main and alt training their skills up in same time at the cost of second subscription.....
to get second character training simultaneously on same account you pay basically just as much
so again what is the reason one should want to setup second toon on same account as opposed to setting up second account in the first place?
I fail to see any
and I have a vague feelign that OP meant to ask this very question
yeah I get that feeling too, why have options for alt if they gonna cost as much as a regular account, but I guess it is for those that can and do pause their mains trainings. but I see the beauty of having 2 accounts and 2 windows... I just bought myself a new screen so I might just be dual boxing it...
I am the Light in the Darkness....
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
621
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Posted - 2016.09.27 20:36:49 -
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:yeah I get that feeling too, why have options for alt if they gonna cost as much as a regular account, but I guess it is for those that can and do pause their mains trainings. but I see the beauty of having 2 accounts and 2 windows... I just bought myself a new screen so I might just be dual boxing it...
Because you don't need an active queue for many playstyles. I have all three slots in use for every account I have. Here's a list of playstyles that you don't need a queue for:
1. scanning alt (a perfect scanner of mine hasn't had an active queue in over a year)
2. PI alts (train a few weeks and you don't need another skillpoint)
3. research alts
4. trading alts
5. cyno alts
6. certain haulers (I have a blockade runner pilot that hasn't had an active queue in a long time, and has come in handy more than once)
There are more than that, but hopefully you get the idea. There are parts of the game where additional skill points won't help. How does it help my scanning alt to have any combat skills? He just finds hostile systems for me. I only need a character who can cloak, scan, and can stay in hostile space for weeks at a time. No need for an active queue.
Having two windows going at once is great. More than a lot of us do it, but it's only logical to have to pay for two subscriptions for that luxury. So either pay the cash, or wait until you can plex an account to start up the second one. |
Vincent Pelletier
Pelletier Imports and Exports
46
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Posted - 2016.09.27 20:39:17 -
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:Quihote wrote:You don't have to pay to train an alt on the same account. You can pause training on the primary character in order to train on the alt. If you want to train them simultaneously, then you have to pay.
However, training an alt and a primary on the same account doesn't make sense as a long term plan if you plan on training both characters. If you pay cash for a sub, it's cheaper and more practical to start a second account. If plexing the cost is the same but it might still be more practical to have another account. that whole thing means just this.... You can have an alt but not train the alt unless you pause your main. then what is the point of having an alt if you can not train him/her? My point is that CCP made it so that in reality in order to have an effective alt(mind I said effective) then you have to buy a whole new game by either buy plex or by shopping for 19.95 euros another game. That is not an alt. By forcing the playerbase to in reality eother chose to pause their main or buy a whole new game to effectively play an alt, they are cheating you of the alt experience. if you have an alt, it SHOULD be totally and I mean TOTALLY separate from the main. With the way the system works now its no use to get an alt, why would you when most of your time you have to have training, specially when some skills take days and weeks to learn, why then force people to have to buy additional game time for use with their alt. Its a smart way for them to make cash for sure, but it also for those who are altoholics is a turnoff because I am sure not many would want to pay 2 or 3 games just in order to be allowed to have an alt. To me it makes no sense why I should be forced to buy a whole new game, why not make the second or third training que cost something LESS than the whole new game? I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts.
Show us an MMO where you can level multiple characters at the same time.
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh
Trymes Companinons
0
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Posted - 2016.09.27 20:40:10 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:yeah I get that feeling too, why have options for alt if they gonna cost as much as a regular account, but I guess it is for those that can and do pause their mains trainings. but I see the beauty of having 2 accounts and 2 windows... I just bought myself a new screen so I might just be dual boxing it... Because you don't need an active queue for many playstyles. I have all three slots in use for every account I have. Here's a list of playstyles that you don't need a queue for: 1. scanning alt (a perfect scanner of mine hasn't had an active queue in over a year) 2. PI alts (train a few weeks and you don't need another skillpoint) 3. research alts 4. trading alts 5. cyno alts 6. certain haulers (I have a blockade runner pilot that hasn't had an active queue in a long time, and has come in handy more than once) There are more than that, but hopefully you get the idea. There are parts of the game where additional skill points won't help. How does it help my scanning alt to have any combat skills? He just finds hostile systems for me. I only need a character who can cloak, scan, and can stay in hostile space for weeks at a time. No need for an active queue. Having two windows going at once is great. More than a lot of us do it, but it's only logical to have to pay for two subscriptions for that luxury. So either pay the cash, or wait until you can plex an account to start up the second one.
This is helpful, allowing me to see how it is done or can be done and I understand, thank you kindly.
I am the Light in the Darkness....
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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
404
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Posted - 2016.09.27 22:43:29 -
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Serene Repose wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Serene Repose wrote:LOL. Injectors are now an "integral part of the economy." Meaning: Without them the economy folds.
in-+te-+gral -êin(t)+Ö+ír+Öl,in-ête+ír+Öl/adjective:
1. necessary to make a whole complete; essential or fundamental.
I guess the new crowd has taken over. Long live EVE II! If you want to use the rhetorical device of slapping down the definition of a word, you really have to first check and make sure that you're not the first person in the thread to use the word, or you just come away looking as silly as... well, as silly as you usually do when you post. I'm sorry. Was I "slapping down the definition of a word"? Silly ME. I thought I was PROVIDING the definition of the word to CLARIFY my point. Any other misbegotten corrections you may have for me; feel free. I find them amusing.
Yeah...I think the quoted text should have used "integrated" rather than "integral."
But I've given up on semantics since I learned that "literally" and "figuratively" are now considered interchangeable. 
Dum Spiro Spero
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
284
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Posted - 2016.09.28 03:54:37 -
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The fundamental issue for the OP is that alts in EVE are different than alts in WOW.
In EVE, any one character can theoretically make anything, mine anything, fly anything... depending only on the player's goals.
In games like WOW, alts are because there are 12 possible classes to choose from, there are more professions available than any one character can opt for.
I know that most of us already understand this, but it does seem some new players don't.
My alts: one is a freighter/transport ship pilot, another slated for ganking.
(Also, in most of those other games the character is the "chosen hero", while here... we are often the scum of the cluster) |
Serene Repose
3073
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Posted - 2016.09.28 05:45:04 -
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KaarBaak wrote:But I've given up on semantics since I learned that "literally" and "figuratively" are now considered interchangeable. All is not lost. At least I got a good chuckle out of that.
Oh, and for those trying to explain this is THIS game not THAT game...don't bother.
If they hadn't figured that out by the end of the tutorial, they never will.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
984
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Posted - 2016.09.28 06:12:20 -
[61] - Quote
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:either way, we will never agree on this and I am done bickering, I have an opinion, might be bad in your eyes, but then we have what 11 billion ppl on this planet, if we all thought alike it would be boring...no?
err, 7,150,000,000 in 2013.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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lollerwaffle
Black Serpent Technologies
The-Culture
323
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Posted - 2016.09.28 06:12:26 -
[62] - Quote
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:this...just made my mind up and I cancelled my subscription
thank you for being such a good representative of the EVE community.
Good. Can I have your stuff? |
PopeUrban
El Expedicion
Flames of Exile
100
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Posted - 2016.09.28 06:17:30 -
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To use the WoW analogy:
Your character with an active que is always logged in and always leveling, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Swapping the que is effectively "logging out" one character, who stops "leveling" and "logging in" another character.
The difference is that in eve, controlling a character and leveling a character ore disassociated from one another. Your characters do not require your interaction to level up, and actually playing any given character will not make their leveling any slower or faster. |
Denice Cornejo
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.09.28 18:30:16 -
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:Andrea Cemenotar wrote:welp, to be frankly honest - at this moment I do not really see a point of those 3 characters per account option more than having placeholder alts for example to keep placeholder corp..... or something in this lines
I mean if you want an alt then getting second account wins all hands down.
let's comapre options shall we?
with two accoutns you can multibox and play bot hsimulataneously
with two toons you not only cannot, but you do not have even a convenient was of swapping characters - so if you want to swap the toon you need to restart client
two accounts keep both your main and alt training their skills up in same time at the cost of second subscription.....
to get second character training simultaneously on same account you pay basically just as much
so again what is the reason one should want to setup second toon on same account as opposed to setting up second account in the first place?
I fail to see any
and I have a vague feelign that OP meant to ask this very question yeah I get that feeling too, why have options for alt if they gonna cost as much as a regular account, but I guess it is for those that can and do pause their mains trainings. but I see the beauty of having 2 accounts and 2 windows... I just bought myself a new screen so I might just be dual boxing it...
Those two other characters in a single account are just intended to be trained as specialized characters that are usually short term training and low sp like trader, hauler, bp research or copy, PI etc. which cannot interact with each other at the same time. That's why some people make a careful (short) skill planning for those two alts and diverts the training from the main. This intentional because not all players want to maintain two separate accounts and pay additional subs just to access them. If you want an exact mirror of your main or a female version of it then you have to pay a premium because it gives you an edge than the other players like having two similarly skilled character in two different part of the universe. |
Sheldon d'Albion
4
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Posted - 2016.09.29 09:57:44 -
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Not really the topic but not really out of it .
With the coming change on clone, what about the alts of a subscribed account would it be considered like an alpha or an omega clone
It must be considered like an alpha clone and hence would skill like all other alpha clones "slowly" with a limited amount of SP ( around 5M ) ?
Because nowadays you'll have to pay to go further the 400K limits .
It seems to me that this beats the purpose of the actual second line training ( for those whose alts not reching the 5M limit ).
I can be wrong , these new clone changes are not set in stone yet .
( sorry for my bad english not my first language ) |
Arisidana
Amadari Traders
103
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Posted - 2016.09.29 11:16:39 -
[66] - Quote
Sheldon d'Albion wrote:Not really the topic but not really out of it .
With the coming change on clone, what about the alts of a subscribed account would it be considered like an alpha or an omega clone
It must be considered like an alpha clone and hence would skill like all other alpha clones "slowly" with a limited amount of SP ( around 5M ) ?
Because nowadays you'll have to pay to go further the 400K limits .
It seems to me that this beats the purpose of the actual second line training ( for those whose alts not reching the 5M limit ).
I can be wrong , these new clone changes are not set in stone yet .
( sorry for my bad english not my first language )
subscribed (or PLEXed) = Omega clone
not subscribed (or PLEXed) = Alpha clone
it's accountwide, not specific to a character. |
Hengle Teron
Order In Disorder
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
61038
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Posted - 2016.09.29 13:16:15 -
[67] - Quote
You're free to create your alt on a new account. That way it will be totally separated as you wish. |
Hallvardr
90
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Posted - 2016.09.29 14:25:42 -
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OMG - Are you a chick in RL, cuz you just won't STHU!
"...just made my mind up and I cancelled my subscription" Cool ... now do the second part and go back to WoW or what ever.
Jiminy kickits Jotunhammer .... |
Galaxy Duck
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
35
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Posted - 2016.09.29 18:49:55 -
[69] - Quote
I too am disappointed that the OP promised to quit but then stayed. |
Minabunny
Dread Guard
69
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Posted - 2016.09.30 02:29:29 -
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Yep - that's right. They need to increase the amount a single customer pays out to offset the size of the customer base. They just keep coming up with more ways to make you pull out your wallet and buy that plex.
Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:So I was thinking "Hey it would be fun to get an alt and try different options in what trained etc"
and I created it and logged into game, so far so good, then get into put something into training schedual
and here comes the cinderblock.... I have to pay an plex in order to train an alt.
Really? I have to pay additional 30 days for playing an alt, a whole new game basically
just to train an alt. is this the way its suppose to be? that would seriously be an alt killer
unless of course suddenly you make that alts have the same brain , same skills, same everything
since if your going to share the training timnes, scheduals etc, then why not share the skills
that you already gotten for the primary player.
thats the point of an alt to keep them separate, is it not? to try something totally new?
then why would you make it so that you have to play/pay for a whole new game for
an alt?
or am I missing some way of letting the alt gain skills?
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L DOPA
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2016.09.30 03:54:58 -
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Jotunhammer Al'Vargh wrote:Quihote wrote:You don't have to pay to train an alt on the same account. You can pause training on the primary character in order to train on the alt. If you want to train them simultaneously, then you have to pay.
However, training an alt and a primary on the same account doesn't make sense as a long term plan if you plan on training both characters. If you pay cash for a sub, it's cheaper and more practical to start a second account. If plexing the cost is the same but it might still be more practical to have another account. that whole thing means just this.... You can have an alt but not train the alt unless you pause your main. then what is the point of having an alt if you can not train him/her? My point is that CCP made it so that in reality in order to have an effective alt(mind I said effective) then you have to buy a whole new game by either buy plex or by shopping for 19.95 euros another game. That is not an alt. By forcing the playerbase to in reality eother chose to pause their main or buy a whole new game to effectively play an alt, they are cheating you of the alt experience. if you have an alt, it SHOULD be totally and I mean TOTALLY separate from the main. With the way the system works now its no use to get an alt, why would you when most of your time you have to have training, specially when some skills take days and weeks to learn, why then force people to have to buy additional game time for use with their alt. Its a smart way for them to make cash for sure, but it also for those who are altoholics is a turnoff because I am sure not many would want to pay 2 or 3 games just in order to be allowed to have an alt. To me it makes no sense why I should be forced to buy a whole new game, why not make the second or third training que cost something LESS than the whole new game? I am seriously getting turned off from playing EVE at all cause I sure as heck do not want to pay for 3 accounts just to be allowed to train my alts. No, then I rather go back to somewhere where they do not charge you a whole new game just to allow you to use alts.
Play any other game, like WoW, LoL etc can you log two of your characters in on the same account or xp on one and the other one gets xp too while offline. Nope.
Being able to train, xp, level up on only one character at a time per account is pretty much how all point based advancement MMO's work. |
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