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Motorcycle Emptiness
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:11:00 -
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a kessie can own basically all level 1/2 missions without breaking a sweat. But i am playing gallente atm and they are no where NEAR as easy to play, by the time i am in range of the mob I am taking serious damage and have to warp out after 1 or 2 kills. A Caldari pilot never gets shot at because nothing reaches them alive! argh. Belt rats it is!
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:16:00 -
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Caldari have it very easy indeed. But if you like semi-afk missionrunning (level 3 missions) the Domi rules with just activating tank, getting aggro, setting out drones and come back a few mins later after your drones wiped out all the rats.
The races each have their own strongpoints, since you can train for all 4 without any penalty, I don't see much of a problem with minor imbalances in this or that area.
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Happster
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Happster on 21/03/2007 09:23:40
Its been like this for a long time.
If you gonna ratt or do missions, Caldari is the best race to play....no doubt at all.
For pvp...its a bit different as the different races has their advantages...
Gallente is a very good race pvp wise...
But even here...Caldari has a lot of good stuff for pvp that the other races dont...
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:28:00 -
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Yes, everything is a little easier for caldari pilots, especially PvE.
For gallente and level 1/2, I would use a tristan with 2 rails and 2 standard launchers. Then a domi for level 3 or 4. I have also heard reports of passive tanked myrmidion working very well for level 3 and 4 (autocannons, shield extenders in mid, shield power relays in low, 5 heavy drones).
Personally I did level 1 and 2 in a vaga not long ago, to get enough standings to do level 4. It also worked nice, but slightly overkill 
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Motorcycle Emptiness
a kessie can own basically all level 1/2 missions without breaking a sweat. But i am playing gallente atm and they are no where NEAR as easy to play, by the time i am in range of the mob I am taking serious damage and have to warp out after 1 or 2 kills. A Caldari pilot never gets shot at because nothing reaches them alive! argh. Belt rats it is!
If you are only up for missions, nothing really beats the raven.
But dont even try to bring it to a PvP battlefield. Untill ofcource CCP tunes the ships again, which btw. they like to do at irregular times.
Originally by: Eldo Davip
PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT.
WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Motorcycle Emptiness
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Posted - 2007.03.21 09:37:00 -
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Thanks for the replies :)
I did the mission after 3 emergency warp outs, or as i like to call them 'tactical fly-bys', in my little atron (was my first mission from the agent, had very little cash!) there were missile launching ships and destroyers, but i have a sense of...achievement at least :P
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Captain Campion
Amarr
Dark Horizons
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Posted - 2007.03.21 11:06:00 -
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caldari pilots are 'special'
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Pharos Dei
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.21 11:11:00 -
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caldari missile ships are rather good for missions and pve in general,
in unexpirienced hands they are even the most efficient ones.
for solo pvp however caldari are subpar.
ill try to give you a general ranking:
PVE:
Caldari
Amarr
Gallente
Minmatar
PVP:
Minmatar
Gallente
Amarr/Caldari
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Zeonos
Amarr
venus divine brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.03.21 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zeonos on 21/03/2007 11:07:42
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Caldari have it very easy indeed. But if you like semi-afk missionrunning (level 3 missions) the Domi rules with just activating tank, getting aggro, setting out drones and come back a few mins later after your drones wiped out all the rats.
The races each have their own strongpoints, since you can train for all 4 without any penalty, I don't see much of a problem with minor imbalances in this or that area.
i did a semi afk lvl 3 mission in my drake.. newly fitted with a little tech II mods..
this happened
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.03.21 11:13:00 -
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Sure Caldari have it easy in PvE (at least their ships anyway), but it doesnt mean they're "special".
I'd have said the same for Amarr in both PvE and PvP since someone started namecalling already...
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.21 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Campion
caldari pilots are 'special'
QFT! 
Their parents (Dev's) keeps telling to their kids (Caldari) that they are 'special', indeed.
It explains all .. wait I'm Caldari too 
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wierchas noobhunter
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.21 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Campion
caldari pilots are 'special'
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.03.21 12:11:00 -
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Whaa whaa whaa, nerf Caldari nerf caldari!!!
Hell, they can nerf the Caldari all they want as long as they stay away from their ships, i love Caldari ships, if u think Caldari ships are too overpowered then i know the solution...
TRAIN FOR THEM!!!!
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.03.21 12:27:00 -
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i use comets to do lvl2 missions, lots of fun. Just fit an AB and a web and you'll be fine.
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SasRipper
DIE WITH HONOUR
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.03.21 12:28:00 -
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if your a caldari npcer
welcome to sleep online
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Layla Ashley
Amarr
Children of Avalon
Avateas Blessed
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Posted - 2007.03.21 12:48:00 -
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wondering why my corp mates keep complaining how hard sansha blockade is. even so everybody knows it's a piece of cake and really boring (you just sit there waiting for the rats to get into optimal range)
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Prophet Jurah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.21 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Pharos Dei
caldari missile ships are rather good for missions and pve in general,
in unexpirienced hands they are even the most efficient ones.
for solo pvp however caldari are subpar.
ill try to give you a general ranking:
PVE:
Caldari
Gallente
Amarr
Minmatar
PVP:
Minmatar
Gallente
Amarr/Caldari
Fixed it for you.
Also, to the OP: You're comparing apples to oranges. If you want to compare races you can't compare one races best ship to the other races worst. It should be atron/condor kestrel/incursus merlin/tristan. While i agree the kestel is the best mission frigate, it's not by nearly as big a margin if you compare it to an incursus or tristan.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:00:00 -
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As everyone has said, yes Caldari are Uber (to Uber?) at PvE, but it is balanced by them being abysmal at PvP. Everyone has their strong points.
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:16:00 -
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StrikerOneSevern
Caldari
Ratio Decidendi
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
but it is balanced by them being abysmal at PvP.
Caldari ships may not be the best at pvp, but abysmal is a bit harsh, it all depends on the fittings and setup, skills etc.
Just look at the passively tanked drake, for ability to tank damage 
BlasterMoa can deal out good damage as well.
For PvE, Caldari do make it easy, but I've used a Maelstrom in lvl 4's, and this has worked out far better than a Raven, and much faster.
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Leighanne
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:34:00 -
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These kinda posts are getting to me a bit.
All I see when I see one of these "One race is more uber then another" is another person coming over from WoW.
The greatest thing about EVE is that you can train ANYTHING you like there are no CLASSES.
If you think kestrals WTFPWNBBQ missions and you want to run mission ... Train for a frikkin Kestral ... Its really that simple.
If you want PVP ... and think Minmatar are the best at it .. train for Minmatar ... its that Simple!
If you really are in love with Missile Launchers - train Caldari ships.
If you Love Drones and want to have their Babies FFS ... Train Gallente Ships.
In my honest Opinion there is nothing wrong with each of the races - Every single one has something that appeals to someone for some reason. Again the Greatest thing about Eve is that you are never ever ever stuck because of your race choice.
Quit moaning about races - do a little research - find something YOU personally like and train for it.
I play a rather Racist game - by choice - By Choice I play Caldari - I like Missiles - BY CHOICE.
If I find Caldari are weak in PVP I'll make do the best I can because I refuse to fly Anything other then Caldari - if this means using Caldari strengths in pvp - regardless of whether they can be considered strengths or not then so be it.
If I really get fed up with it - screw it .. I'll train something else. Or Start another character and train that a different way. Either way I end up with the same result. I Will have a character doing things I want to do the way I want to do them - Starting again or training another race takes pretty much the same time (initial skill points aside).
Everything you do in Eve is by your OWN CHOICE. If you don't like it fine - Train something else.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race choice.
For all it matters you could be an Amarr flying Caldari Ships cause you like Missiles.
Eve - Where anything is possible. (if you quit *****ing and train the appropriate damm skills)
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Sicariidae
Caldari
Deep Space Consortium
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:38:00 -
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There is no such thing as PVE btw.
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nickky01
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Prophet Jurah
i did a semi afk lvl 3 mission in my drake.. newly fitted with a little tech II mods..
this happened
Why were most of your slots empty? You only had 3 launchers ffs.
killmails only show what was destroyed on the ship, i.e. his other 4 launchers were in the wreck in the mission. (same with everything else that wasn't destroyed.
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Zirth
Caldari
The Black Fleet
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Leighanne
These kinda posts are getting to me a bit.
All I see when I see one of these "One race is more uber then another" is another person coming over from WoW.
The greatest thing about EVE is that you can train ANYTHING you like there are no CLASSES.
If you think kestrals WTFPWNBBQ missions and you want to run mission ... Train for a frikkin Kestral ... Its really that simple.
If you want PVP ... and think Minmatar are the best at it .. train for Minmatar ... its that Simple!
If you really are in love with Missile Launchers - train Caldari ships.
If you Love Drones and want to have their Babies FFS ... Train Gallente Ships.
In my honest Opinion there is nothing wrong with each of the races - Every single one has something that appeals to someone for some reason. Again the Greatest thing about Eve is that you are never ever ever stuck because of your race choice.
Quit moaning about races - do a little research - find something YOU personally like and train for it.
I play a rather Racist game - by choice - By Choice I play Caldari - I like Missiles - BY CHOICE.
If I find Caldari are weak in PVP I'll make do the best I can because I refuse to fly Anything other then Caldari - if this means using Caldari strengths in pvp - regardless of whether they can be considered strengths or not then so be it.
If I really get fed up with it - screw it .. I'll train something else. Or Start another character and train that a different way. Either way I end up with the same result. I Will have a character doing things I want to do the way I want to do them - Starting again or training another race takes pretty much the same time (initial skill points aside).
Everything you do in Eve is by your OWN CHOICE. If you don't like it fine - Train something else.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race choice.
For all it matters you could be an Amarr flying Caldari Ships cause you like Missiles.
Eve - Where anything is possible. (if you quit *****ing and train the appropriate damm skills)
Chill the hell out dude, I partly agree with you. But on the other hand, if a new guy sees caldari pwns in missions, and doesn't know better, he'll think that it unbalances the game. That's why he makes a topic, where we tell him it's not unbalancing, because other races do just fine, and alot better in other gameplay areas, like PvP. If you can't take these topics with people concerned about unbalanced races, and don't want to teach them most of the game is just balanced fine trough constructive arguments, don't even read or reply.
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Eta Carinea
Firebirds
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Posted - 2007.03.21 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
As everyone has said, yes Caldari are Uber (to Uber?) at PvE, but it is balanced by them being abysmal at PvP. Everyone has their strong points.
Not sure on what basis you come to this conclusion. Rooks, Scorpians, and even Ravens are always primary in fleet ops surely it makes no sence to take out the worst ships and pilots first. 1 - 1 PVP if the caldari ships are not setup very specifcally then they can be at a disadantage, Fleet ops medium gangs etc i would say they have a very special role to play and often turn Battles if not taken seriously.
Eta
Quid Si Coelum Ruat
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Motorcycle Emptiness
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Posted - 2007.03.21 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zirth
Originally by: Leighanne
These kinda posts are getting to me a bit.
All I see when I see one of these "One race is more uber then another" is another person coming over from WoW.
The greatest thing about EVE is that you can train ANYTHING you like there are no CLASSES.
If you think kestrals WTFPWNBBQ missions and you want to run mission ... Train for a frikkin Kestral ... Its really that simple.
If you want PVP ... and think Minmatar are the best at it .. train for Minmatar ... its that Simple!
If you really are in love with Missile Launchers - train Caldari ships.
If you Love Drones and want to have their Babies FFS ... Train Gallente Ships.
In my honest Opinion there is nothing wrong with each of the races - Every single one has something that appeals to someone for some reason. Again the Greatest thing about Eve is that you are never ever ever stuck because of your race choice.
Quit moaning about races - do a little research - find something YOU personally like and train for it.
I play a rather Racist game - by choice - By Choice I play Caldari - I like Missiles - BY CHOICE.
If I find Caldari are weak in PVP I'll make do the best I can because I refuse to fly Anything other then Caldari - if this means using Caldari strengths in pvp - regardless of whether they can be considered strengths or not then so be it.
If I really get fed up with it - screw it .. I'll train something else. Or Start another character and train that a different way. Either way I end up with the same result. I Will have a character doing things I want to do the way I want to do them - Starting again or training another race takes pretty much the same time (initial skill points aside).
Everything you do in Eve is by your OWN CHOICE. If you don't like it fine - Train something else.
It has absolutely NOTHING to do with race choice.
For all it matters you could be an Amarr flying Caldari Ships cause you like Missiles.
Eve - Where anything is possible. (if you quit *****ing and train the appropriate damm skills)
Chill the hell out dude, I partly agree with you. But on the other hand, if a new guy sees caldari pwns in missions, and doesn't know better, he'll think that it unbalances the game. That's why he makes a topic, where we tell him it's not unbalancing, because other races do just fine, and alot better in other gameplay areas, like PvP. If you can't take these topics with people concerned about unbalanced races, and don't want to teach them most of the game is just balanced fine trough constructive arguments, don't even read or reply.
thank you. I hate wow and am a veteran guild wars player, i love PvP in pretty much all incarnations. I wasn't *****ing either, just thinking 'wow, this was vastly easier with caldari missile ships'
i have played caldari on another trial, and the condor still owns the atron, it's the range :) but about that PvP thing, i notice when the atron does get up close, it deals a lot of damage with it's little ion blasters and antimatter charge, i get 50, 30, 50, 40, 150 wrecking :O, 70, 20, that kinda thing which is a much higher DPS than a condor would get with two missiles.
anyhow thanks to the replies, now i know that gallente do not in fact suck :D
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Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
SpaceTravelers Freelance Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.21 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Eta Carinea
Originally by: Patch86
As everyone has said, yes Caldari are Uber (to Uber?) at PvE, but it is balanced by them being abysmal at PvP. Everyone has their strong points.
Not sure on what basis you come to this conclusion. Rooks, Scorpians, and even Ravens are always primary in fleet ops surely it makes no sence to take out the worst ships and pilots first. 1 - 1 PVP if the caldari ships are not setup very specifcally then they can be at a disadantage, Fleet ops medium gangs etc i would say they have a very special role to play and often turn Battles if not taken seriously.
Eta
Indeed Scorpies are always prime target in medium fleets and gank squads.
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.21 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: StrikerOneSevern
Originally by: Patch86
but it is balanced by them being abysmal at PvP.
Caldari ships may not be the best at pvp, but abysmal is a bit harsh, it all depends on the fittings and setup, skills etc.
Just look at the passively tanked drake, for ability to tank damage
BlasterMoa can deal out good damage as well.
Or the Rokh which IIRC is the best sniper in the game.
Frankly Caldari probably have the most flexible ship lineup in the game of any of the races. Gunsboats, missile boats, lot of mids for a variety of ewar options.
About their only built in disadvantage is they are the slowest ships (on average) of the four races.
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BrightPidgeon
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Posted - 2007.03.21 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Humpalot
Or the Rokh which IIRC is the best sniper in the game.
Frankly Caldari probably have the most flexible ship lineup in the game of any of the races. Gunsboats, missile boats, lot of mids for a variety of ewar options.
About their only built in disadvantage is they are the slowest ships (on average) of the four races.
Afaik the Rokh is nothing special as a sniper. Reaches out to max range (250km) no problem, but just can't dish out the damage. Perhaps if ranges over 250km were possible the Rokh would have some advantage.
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Mangus Thermopyle
Chosen Path
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.21 15:09:00 -
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Caldare are anything but weak in PvP. Rokh is one of the best BS for fleet battles and they got the best EW ships. And try killing a cerberus in your vaga for example
They also got the best stealth bomber by far, and the best interceptor (crow). Killing a raven setup for solo is pretty hard as well, especially if he has T2 cruise or torps.
Still, for PvP I usually fly minmatar or gallente, I find them more fun.
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