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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.03.21 10:48:00 -
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I've noticed that the way most people here talk about so-called "blobs", it's pretty much synonymous with "fleets". Any group of maybe 15 or more people flying together is apparently a "blob".
So, why do people on these forums constantly refer to flying in fleets as "blobbing" and look down on it? And what is so wrong about flying around in a fleet/"blob"?
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Posted - 2007.03.21 11:09:00 -
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Fleet= A planned and synchronised force who have spent the time to co-ordinate roles and complementary ship fitting for maximum coverage and effect. Designated tacklers/ewar peeps/ dictor pilots and heavy hitters all knowing what is expected of them and what role they are expected to fulfill.
Blob= a whole bunch of people who jumped into whatever ship they felt like joining the gang with and who succeed by massive firepower alone. Might get 10 jumps from home before they find that they have no tacklers or only one lone blackbird as their ewar division.
Ask Rells to explain it to you
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 11:16:00 -
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I've taken Agony's pvp basic and have had that definition given to me. Not by Rells himself, but by the instructor I had (don't remember the name). And having flown with Goons a lot lately, I've seen it in action  . I have no problem with that definition of the word.
I'm talking about the way many people on these forums (and especially in this section) seem to use the word, which seems to refer to any larger number of ships flying together.
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Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dawn Princess on 21/03/2007 12:19:03
Basically it comes down to this:
When I am flying with my corpmates, I am flying in a fleet.
When you are flying with your corpmates, you are flying in a blob.
Or "we pvp, you gank"
More generally though blobbing is used to describe a complete overkill response.
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Kailiao
The Black Fleet
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.21 21:18:00 -
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Or just ask any anti-pie what a blob is, they perfect this tactic, they kinda have to, small gang solo pvp involves to much skill
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Nicocat
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.21 21:24:00 -
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20 T2-flying monkeys with the Xelas tag on their name. All to kill one widdle Sabre. Blob or fleet? ;)
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 21:24:00 -
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Blob: Derogatory term often used by elitist players who have a lot more skillpoints, and want you to fight them on even terms, intentionally ignorant of the fact that their "Even terms" means a sure win for them. Also often used by players who prefer to mob their opponents in large number (esp. gatecampers) but somehow don't see THAT as blobbing.
In short, blob is either used interchangeably with fleet, or as a tool for displaying hypocrisy. If you have a lot of friends, you should fly with a lot of friends.
My 2 cents. ;)
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.21 21:37:00 -
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Personally I love finding blobs. They are usually in rubbish ships, and lead by people that call primary from the top down on the list, and half the blob doesnt follow orders. Carnage.
Fleets are far more interesting... 
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Plaetean
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.21 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Plaetean on 21/03/2007 21:37:08
blobs are large gangs of 15+ aimed at taking out much smaller gangs, they rely mainly on superior numbers to defeat their enemy. That's how I look at it anyway.
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Silver Sheath
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Posted - 2007.03.21 22:23:00 -
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On the playground that is EVE, one may overcome a gang of peers by simply getting a bigger gang. Nothing wrong with getting a group of friends to watch your back. Nuff said.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:35:00 -
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the reason blobbing or fleet'ing' or whatever u want to call it is looked down upon is because it makes for very little fun in combat. very rarely do you need 15 large ships to pvp in low sec. most of the time ppl only fly in groups like this because it means that when faces 1 or 2 ships it's very unlikely that they will lose anyone so it super safe.
in 0.0 it's a bit different. never complained about blobbing in 0.0 because if u fly there a lot without a blob then u'll get blobbed urself.
generally ppl whining about blobbing are just disappointed that they didn'tlose their ship to a good fight where they at least took down a ship or 2 before they bit it.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:43:00 -
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Edited by: Hannobaal on 22/03/2007 10:40:25
Originally by: DarkElf
the reason blobbing or fleet'ing' or whatever u want to call it is looked down upon is because it makes for very little fun in combat. very rarely do you need 15 large ships to pvp in low sec. most of the time ppl only fly in groups like this because it means that when faces 1 or 2 ships it's very unlikely that they will lose anyone so it super safe.
Right, and why do people fly in big bad-ass ships with expensive bad-ass equipment? Isn't it for the exact same reason? So they can be sure to win in a fight?
If what you want is even duels, that's a different issue. You can talk to someone and set up the terms for a duel in advance. In regular combat though you use whatever advantages you have to win. If one of those advantages happens to be numbers, what's the problem?
Much of what this game is meant to simulate is war and conflict. Now, do you think in real wars a commander who runs into an enemy position would send only as many troops forward as the enemy has, to "keep it fair", or would he indeed hit them with everything he's got?
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Hannobaal
Edited by: Hannobaal on 22/03/2007 10:40:25
Originally by: DarkElf
the reason blobbing or fleet'ing' or whatever u want to call it is looked down upon is because it makes for very little fun in combat. very rarely do you need 15 large ships to pvp in low sec. most of the time ppl only fly in groups like this because it means that when faces 1 or 2 ships it's very unlikely that they will lose anyone so it super safe.
Right, and why do people fly in big bad-ass ships with expensive bad-ass equipment? Isn't it for the exact same reason? So they can be sure to win in a fight?
If what you want is even duels, that's a different issue. You can talk to someone and set up the terms for a duel in advance. In regular combat though you use whatever advantages you have to win. If one of those advantages happens to be numbers, what's the problem?
Much of what this game is meant to simulate is war and conflict. Now, do you think in real wars a commander who runs into an enemy position would send only as many troops forward as the enemy has, to "keep it fair", or would he indeed hit them with everything he's got?
RL comparisons ftl tbh. Do ppl fight wars IRL for fun? do they get enjoyment out of fighting? i certainly hope not. they care about winning and that's all.
also ppl put expensive equipment on their expensive ships so they can do things that they normally can not. i put a stupid amount of isk in my vindi so i can take other bs solo while under gate gun fire, or take on multiple opponents solo etc. not so i can go round ganking cruisers can be super safe.
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Hannobaal
Gallente
Igneus Auctorita
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
RL comparisons ftl tbh. Do ppl fight wars IRL for fun? do they get enjoyment out of fighting? i certainly hope not. they care about winning and that's all.
And many people in Eve don't play just to have even ship v ship fights. They play for other goals, like expanding their corporation's or alliance's power and influence in the Eve world. To do that you have to win wars.
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also ppl put expensive equipment on their expensive ships so they can do things that they normally can not. i put a stupid amount of isk in my vindi so i can take other bs solo while under gate gun fire, or take on multiple opponents solo etc. not so i can go round ganking cruisers can be super safe.
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And if some people got (for example) into 15-20 sized frigate fleets so they could take down battleships (which they could not do with those ships solo), what would be the difference to what you are saying?
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DarkElf
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:30:00 -
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firstly i would never say that ppl shouldn't fly in certain groups. ppl can do whatever they want, that's the beauty of eve. but ppl will look down on it because just looking for kills and expanding wealth, space etc isn't really much fun for serious pvp'ers. not that they shouldn't do it but just that they don't like it.
also i don't think ppl complain much about blobs of frigates. i do that myself because as u say u need that many to take down decent bs and groups of bigger ships. but ppl that travel in groups of about 15bs through low sec clearly aren't looking for a challenging fight, nor do they make much isk from kills when it's divided by that many. if they enjoy it then fine, but u can't say they have that many just in case they run into the occasioanl titan ratting in a belt
ppl should generally do what they want and if ppl these days mostly want to blob then so be it. but ppl will never get a good reputation amongst the really good pvp'ers for always blobbing as it shows very little skill.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.22 11:35:00 -
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its fun when pirates scream blob and unfair gank 5sec after you seen all 10 of them blow up a poor little hauler.
even more fun when you jump into a gatecamp in a shuttle and see all 11 of them run away before you decloak and start smacktalking about blobbing(true story)
blob is the definition of a group that is way to big for the job.
if the group is about enough to make a even fight or close to it then it isnt a blob.
CCP has with POS's and soverenity endorsed the blob warfare gamestyle in eve.
people are just to afraid to go have a fun fight and enjoy it anymore.
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ArtemisEntreri
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Posted - 2007.03.22 12:56:00 -
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When you camp a station for a bit with a bunch of people in it, then they wait for 20 minutes for people to stop being afk and logging on to join their gang and then undock with 20 times the opponent's numbers including capital ships
That's a blob
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Gadfly Hawke
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Posted - 2007.03.22 13:45:00 -
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And what's Crime and Punishment got to do with blobs?
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Kalchak
Minmatar
Kissaki Confederation
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.03.22 14:31:00 -
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Blobs are big ass bunches of ships that win through causing massive lag for the attacking force.
Fleets are groups of ships small enough to actually fight against without a 3 minute lock up when you arrive at the hostile zone.
Always been my definition anyway.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.22 16:47:00 -
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Blob = other guys fleet because it's bigger than yours.
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doctorstupid2
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.22 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
Blob = other guys fleet because it's bigger than yours.
Exactly
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How's that saying go? something about a pot calling a kettle black.... but the kettle getting the last laugh because it was banging the pot's sister? Yeah, that sounds right.
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Bardley
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Posted - 2007.03.22 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Bardley on 22/03/2007 18:49:52
Sometimes having a "blob" gang with you is unavoidable. If I mention in corp chat that I'm going to go roaming I can't just say no to people in the corp who would like to come along. Sometimes it ends up that ten or twenty other people want to come.
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.22 19:09:00 -
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Your only a blob if your intention is just to amass as many people as possible in one spot so that the resulting lag in and of itsef prevents a lone pilot or very small group from being able to escape before your unorganized group manages to lock and scramble.
Blobs will run away and flee fast, even in the face of inferior numbers.
Blobs also usualy have no goal in mind more complicated than sitting in x spot and shooting anything that comes through untill someone moves to oppose them at which point they run away.
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Silentbrick
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.23 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Silentbrick on 23/03/2007 01:37:01
I would think technically that there is actually room to use both terms.
Fleets: Organized with a command structure and purpose
Blobs: Crammed together for a quick purpose that does not require much organization or leadership.
So far as Eve University goes, Fleets are for war time/murdering gate snipers and blobs are what happens to ore thieves that decide to pick on our 'noobs'. And as everyone knows, since Eve Uni are just newbs and carebears, no one is afraid of us. 
To be honest though, since we don't talk to our targets, it doesn't really matter if they accuse us of blobbing/using fleet tactics. The only thing that matters at the end of the day, is who is picking up the loot, and who's waking up in a clone vat.
Silentbrick
Fleet Admiral and Deranged Carebear.
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